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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 22:52:18 GMT
A way of getting the Welling to Abbey Wood/Thamesmead link could be diverting the B11 to Welling after Bexleyheath Station at Crook Log.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 9:19:30 GMT
Hillingdon's network is quite poor, not a single U bus route leaves the borough and most of the destinations from Uxbridge are limited to Hayes, West Drayton, Ruislip and Heathrow. Only decent links are the 607 to Shepherd's Bush, the 331 via Northwood and the 222 to Hounslow.
Links in the south are only good thanks to Heathrow, with most Heathrow routes heading to places like Richmond and Kingston don't go beyond the A4
Hayes has probably the best links in the borough with links to Feltham, Brentford, Shepherd's Bush and Harrow.
The north of the borough, Harefield in particular are poorly served, with Harefield only having 2 buses at low frequency, although Northwood has slightly better links.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 16, 2021 9:21:43 GMT
Golders Green is absolutely incredible for links
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Post by vjaska on Apr 16, 2021 11:37:42 GMT
Hillingdon's network is quite poor, not a single U bus route leaves the borough and most of the destinations from Uxbridge are limited to Hayes, West Drayton, Ruislip and Heathrow. Only decent links are the 607 to Shepherd's Bush, the 331 via Northwood and the 222 to Hounslow. Links in the south are only good thanks to Heathrow, with most Heathrow routes heading to places like Richmond and Kingston don't go beyond the A4 Hayes has probably the best links in the borough with links to Feltham, Brentford, Shepherd's Bush and Harrow. The north of the borough, Harefield in particular are poorly served, with Harefield only having 2 buses at low frequency, although Northwood has slightly better links. The U routes aren’t supposed to be cross borough routes - their purpose, much like the R routes, is supposed to link the major town with surrounding residential areas in case linking to Uxbridge |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 16:49:07 GMT
Hillingdon's network is quite poor, not a single U bus route leaves the borough and most of the destinations from Uxbridge are limited to Hayes, West Drayton, Ruislip and Heathrow. Only decent links are the 607 to Shepherd's Bush, the 331 via Northwood and the 222 to Hounslow. Links in the south are only good thanks to Heathrow, with most Heathrow routes heading to places like Richmond and Kingston don't go beyond the A4 Hayes has probably the best links in the borough with links to Feltham, Brentford, Shepherd's Bush and Harrow. The north of the borough, Harefield in particular are poorly served, with Harefield only having 2 buses at low frequency, although Northwood has slightly better links. The U routes aren’t supposed to be cross borough routes - their purpose, much like the R routes, is supposed to link the major town with surrounding residential areas in case linking to Uxbridge While that is true, Uxbridge still has poor links outside the borough. Having said that, it's all the way out in Zone 6, so it's kind of expected |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Apr 16, 2021 16:53:11 GMT
The U routes aren’t supposed to be cross borough routes - their purpose, much like the R routes, is supposed to link the major town with surrounding residential areas in case linking to Uxbridge While that is true, Uxbridge still has poor links outside the borough. Having said that, it's all the way out in Zone 6, so it's kind of expected But look at kingston though good links and its in zone 6, Heathrow and Romford as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 18:44:52 GMT
While that is true, Uxbridge still has poor links outside the borough. Having said that, it's all the way out in Zone 6, so it's kind of expected But look at kingston though good links and its in zone 6, Heathrow and Romford as well. Heathrow is an airport so justifies good bus links, Uxbridge at least has the tube unlike Kingston, but I guess it's down to local demand and I assume people in Uxbridge who regularly use the buses are ones who travel locally whereas those using the train probably do so to commute to work hence I think that although bus connections from Uxbridge are poor, if there's no demand then there probably isn't a need to create new links, however I do believe that an Uxbridge-South Ruislip link would be beneficial |
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 16, 2021 19:16:58 GMT
Like I said Kingston is almost a City in its own right wity shops like John Lewis and a Theatre now that people will travel a distance to visit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 19:32:33 GMT
While that is true, Uxbridge still has poor links outside the borough. Having said that, it's all the way out in Zone 6, so it's kind of expected But look at kingston though good links and its in zone 6, Heathrow and Romford as well. And Orpington is pretty decent as well, other than the missing Croydon link. |
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Post by uakari on Apr 17, 2021 10:08:50 GMT
Golders Green is absolutely incredible for links Golders Green has more links than it needs really. Plus National Express (why and where else in the suburbs has it?), station cab rank - you would think it's the centre of the universe rather than a minor suburb that isn't really a destination in its own right, a city-centre location or a rail hub. Still no link from there to High/New Barnet though, which is kind of embarrassing imo. Barnet borough is kind of divided in terms of good provision to the south and west and worse towards the north and east. Hampstead Garden Suburb vs Hadley Green is only because TfL planners don't venture that far north. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2021 11:07:32 GMT
Golders Green is absolutely incredible for links Golders Green has more links than it needs really. Plus National Express (why and where else in the suburbs has it?), station cab rank - you would think it's the centre of the universe rather than a minor suburb that isn't really a destination in its own right, a city-centre location or a rail hub. Still no link from there to High/New Barnet though, which is kind of embarrassing imo. Barnet borough is kind of divided in terms of good provision to the south and west and worse towards the north and east. Hampstead Garden Suburb vs Hadley Green is only because TfL planners don't venture that far north. There’s no bus route between Golders Green and High Barnet? That’s very strange. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 17, 2021 11:21:06 GMT
Like I said Kingston is almost a City in its own right wity shops like John Lewis and a Theatre now that people will travel a distance to visit. Kingston’s shape also means any east to west routes will invariably cross borough boundaries. |
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Post by 15002 on Apr 17, 2021 11:59:08 GMT
Barking and Dagenham is extremely poor, you can't get further West from there than Stratford or Canning Town. Even links to Newham which is the next borough along are shocking, you've only got the 5, 86, 238, 173 and 366. Even the 173 and 366 only just make it across the border and terminate at Beckton. Effectively only leaving the 5, 86 and 238 actually making it to any other town centres over the border from B&D to Newham. You do technically have the 325, but it only has one stop in B&D. Just seen this thread and couldn’t agree anymore. It’s shocking how bad bus links towards west is in Barking and Dagenham, would be nice if a bus like the 115 got extended to Barking for example. |
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Post by uakari on Apr 17, 2021 12:28:54 GMT
Golders Green has more links than it needs really. Plus National Express (why and where else in the suburbs has it?), station cab rank - you would think it's the centre of the universe rather than a minor suburb that isn't really a destination in its own right, a city-centre location or a rail hub. Still no link from there to High/New Barnet though, which is kind of embarrassing imo. Barnet borough is kind of divided in terms of good provision to the south and west and worse towards the north and east. Hampstead Garden Suburb vs Hadley Green is only because TfL planners don't venture that far north. There’s no bus route between Golders Green and High Barnet? That’s very strange. Hasn't been since they got rid of the 26 in the late 80s. You can't even get further north on the road than North Finchley on a bus from Golders Green, and the change at North Finchley is very difficult as well. So it's a bus, tube and bus at the other end. The 460 would seem a logical choice to extend but TfL think that would be overbussing north of North Finchley, even though there are now 13 139 245 260 328 460 between Child's Hill and Golders Green (seems much more overbussed to me). But then that's far enough south for TfL to care about giving a proper service to. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Apr 17, 2021 12:33:21 GMT
Golders Green is absolutely incredible for links Golders Green has more links than it needs really. Plus National Express (why and where else in the suburbs has it?), station cab rank - you would think it's the centre of the universe rather than a minor suburb that isn't really a destination in its own right, a city-centre location or a rail hub. Still no link from there to High/New Barnet though, which is kind of embarrassing imo. Barnet borough is kind of divided in terms of good provision to the south and west and worse towards the north and east. Hampstead Garden Suburb vs Hadley Green is only because TfL planners don't venture that far north. That link is made up though by 2 bus routes going to Finchley Central where they can interchange onto the Northern Line & 2 routes to North Finchley where they can get the 263. It doesn't imo have more links than it needs really, Golders Green is a massive interchange so obviously there would be demand coming from other places and they know they can change onto a bus in the bus station. To me I don't think it's oversubscribed as High Barnet & Golders Green are the only places in the borough where you can make loads of interchanges whilst North Finchley & Finchley Central have quite a lot, but I wouldn't consider them huge interchanges. Certainly the 112/125 extensions made them more interchangeable places |
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