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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 13, 2021 17:20:43 GMT
I work at Beckton DLR Depot which is in the back of nowhere in Newham .......... walk another 100 yards across the road and you're in the muddy Thames - surrounded by wasteland and redundant cleared industrial land - its's not a pleasant place ........... and yet there is a half-hourly N bus service to the Centre of London - every night - THAT I call a great service and what public transport should be about. N551 was always handy for the 0120 finishes and 0430 starts at Beckton |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Apr 13, 2021 17:34:17 GMT
I have only lived in Brent and Hillingdon both for over 10 years and i have said something about Hillingdon, I dont think the bus network is bad, especially considering it is the borough with the highest car ownership, so there is going to be more emphasis on cars. But i have said there need to be more routes like the 278 that do not go through Uxbridge, but link the north and south together.
I think Brents night network is amazing at least inner brent, where im ,living I within a 15 min walk from 6, 52, N98, N266, 297, N16 and 189. Im a fast walker so it may be slightly longer. And night tube as well. All id want is a willesden-Cricklewood-Golders Green connections, from which there are a few options of buses, even extending the 102 via the 460 to as it doesnt serve brent cross during the night, might be viable option to explore and give contract to metroline. Or even extend the 297 to golders green during night times. Or swap northern end of N266 from brent Cross to golders green.
However, Outer Brent, could do with some work Wembley only has N18, N83 and 297, i think an 79 or 204 24rs would be great im leaning more towards 79 as Canons Park has no night route, but has the 79, 186 and 340 serve the station, and Preston road. And 204 northern half has many night links already. Or maybe a merger between these 2 routes at night.
During the day, i have a few problems, I always think the NW-N links are quite poor, you got 232 lol, 112 which doesn't really venture out of NCR, 460 (which I think could be further extended into North, potentially to a Piccadilly line station, which would be really useful). Maybe a bus, that links inner north west better like willesden, hampstead, camden. As Brent isnt the richest borough, so people going on overground, wont be the cheapest option, especially at peak times. And there is no bus link between these places which is quite criminal as they arent too far apart.
Maybe a Wembley-Hounslow route starting at the stadium Stonebridge park, NCR to gunnersbury, then 237 to hounslow.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 17:57:32 GMT
Kingston itself has amazing links: Ealing, Putney, Tooting, Streatham, Sutton, Croydon, Epsom, Esher, Staines, Hounslow, Heathrow. There's nothing to be disappointed about the bus network in Kingston.
As for the rest of the borough, I haven't really been anywhere else apart from Norbiton and Kingston Vale so I'll leave it to someone else to assess the bus network in Kingston
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Post by southlondonbus on Apr 13, 2021 19:09:12 GMT
Kingston itself has amazing links: Ealing, Putney, Tooting, Streatham, Sutton, Croydon, Epsom, Esher, Staines, Hounslow, Heathrow. There's nothing to be disappointed about the bus network in Kingston. As for the rest of the borough, I haven't really been anywhere else apart from Norbiton and Kingston Vale so I'll leave it to someone else to assess the bus network in Kingston It's no real surprise that Kingston and Croydon have such good links to many different areas when they are almost Cities in their own right and hence have large demand to be reached. From as far afield and Peckham, Lewisham and Elephant whislt cross border demand to Redhill there is a good flow of people needing Croydon. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2021 20:06:15 GMT
Kingston itself has amazing links: Ealing, Putney, Tooting, Streatham, Sutton, Croydon, Epsom, Esher, Staines, Hounslow, Heathrow. There's nothing to be disappointed about the bus network in Kingston. As for the rest of the borough, I haven't really been anywhere else apart from Norbiton and Kingston Vale so I'll leave it to someone else to assess the bus network in Kingston As well as Wimbledon, Richmond, Morden, Leatherhead & Dorking. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Apr 13, 2021 21:41:25 GMT
Kingston itself has amazing links: Ealing, Putney, Tooting, Streatham, Sutton, Croydon, Epsom, Esher, Staines, Hounslow, Heathrow. There's nothing to be disappointed about the bus network in Kingston. As for the rest of the borough, I haven't really been anywhere else apart from Norbiton and Kingston Vale so I'll leave it to someone else to assess the bus network in Kingston As well as Wimbledon, Richmond, Morden, Leatherhead & Dorking. Not forgetting Surrey: Molesey, Walton, Weybridge, Shepperton, Addlestone, Cobham and Guildford! |
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Post by orangejamieboss on Apr 14, 2021 15:39:49 GMT
During the day, i have a few problems, I always think the NW-N links are quite poor, you got 232 lol, 112 which doesn't really venture out of NCR, . Maybe a bus, that links inner north west better like willesden, hampstead, camden. As Brent isnt the richest borough, so people going on overground, wont be the cheapest option, especially at peak times. And there is no bus link between these places which is quite criminal as they arent too far apart. . In fairness, to access Hampstead it's not really that difficult, you have the C11 which takes you there. To Camden its not hard, a simple 98 to Kilburn and 31 to Camden will get you there. Though I'd agree NW-N links can be seen as quite poor there are few ways, the 232 of which was one you mentioned. Another one can be the 32, and then the 125 from Colindale, though this isn't the best of options. |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Apr 14, 2021 22:35:18 GMT
During the day, i have a few problems, I always think the NW-N links are quite poor, you got 232 lol, 112 which doesn't really venture out of NCR, . Maybe a bus, that links inner north west better like willesden, hampstead, camden. As Brent isnt the richest borough, so people going on overground, wont be the cheapest option, especially at peak times. And there is no bus link between these places which is quite criminal as they arent too far apart. . In fairness, to access Hampstead it's not really that difficult, you have the C11 which takes you there. To Camden its not hard, a simple 98 to Kilburn and 31 to Camden will get you there. Though I'd agree NW-N links can be seen as quite poor there are few ways, the 232 of which was one you mentioned. Another one can be the 32, and then the 125 from Colindale, though this isn't the best of options. C11 is good, more brent- camden routes yes technically 31 and 189 (along boundaries of brent) and 187,, but there should be at least one more which links more places in brent and camden together, as barnet-camden there are many options tbf like 13,113,134,139,210,268,C11 yeah i get what your saying but maybe something that follows the overground closer, maybe even another bus at brondesbury park there are a few potential roads, that can be used, including mill lane, I have seen rail replacement buses turn on it and not in service one before. Could do something with a route perhaps? I dont know if its just me but i find the 125 quite an inaccessible bus from the western half of NW. Plus you have to walk to colindale station from the 32. Ive always suggested 460 extention due to having a relatively short run time at average 40-45 minutes. Or having more routes go through brent Cross rather than terminating there might remedy this problem. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Apr 14, 2021 23:18:42 GMT
While obviously not the worst borough by any means, Southwark is split. Z1/Z2 have excellent links into Central London as well as neighbouring boroughs. In Peckham for example, it's possible to travel on one bus to Queen's Park or South Kensington on one bus. Same for Camberwell where you can go to Shepherd's Bush on the 148 without changing.
However the south of the borough is a different story. Dulwich lost their direct bus to London Bridge and the City when the 40 was rerouted to Clerkenwell Green, West to East Dulwich involves getting the P13 which takes a indirect route between the two areas getting stuck in traffic on the South Circular, while the Kingswood Estate in West Dulwich is served by the 450 which seems to be the sole purpose for those residents who would otherwise have to walk to get the 3 to change at Crystal Palace for other routes that go further.
They also have no direct bus to anywhere else in the borough without changing bus.
There's also no direct bus from Dulwich to Nunhead, despite being neighbours, which involves a bus change at Peckham Rye for the 78.
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Post by Gellico on Apr 15, 2021 15:44:18 GMT
Bexley would have to be one of the worst - Generally, a daytime bus journey from the borough to anywhere west of New Cross will require more than one bus. Unless you count the 177 which barely serves Bexley, you can only get as far west on one bus as New Cross Gate on the 321, in zone 2. (89, 132, 180, 286, 422 and 486 reach zone 2/3). I think there is a missed opportunity because a direct bus link between Bexleyheath/Welling and Central London via the A2 and A207 could work quite well, perhaps something similar to the N89, but via OKR. Welling isn't well linked with north of the borough, nor is Crayford other than the 428 to Erith. The only north-south bus routes are the 229 and B12. The 229 is quite indirect, and more or less acts as two separate routes (Thamesmead - Bexleyheath and Bexleyheath - Sidcup). Whilst there is the 51, 160, 233, B14 and R11 at Sidcup crossing into Bromley, only the 51 and B14 serve a larger part of Bexley. The B14 is infrequent so in many cases, crossing into Bromley would require at least one change. On the bright side, buses crossing into Greenwich are plentiful. In terms of night buses, the 472 and N1 barely serve Bexley, which leaves only the 321, N21 and N89 (plus 132 and 486 on weekends). So travelling around the borough at night by bus is pretty much impossible without heading into Greenwich. None of this is helped by the fact that there is no Tube, DLR or Overground. Buses in Bexley are perfectly adequate, the only thing I would change really would be at Foot's Cray send the 492 to Orpington instead of Sidcup... As for cross-zone routes we have southeastern which is frequent and essentially free off peak... |
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Post by rift on Apr 15, 2021 15:47:50 GMT
Greenwich is a mixed bag, in the west of the borough, around Blackheath, Greenwich and North Greenwich there are excellent links to Central London, East London, and other areas around the area, Woolwich is okay if you need to get a bus to Bexleyheath, Lewisham or Central London, but links to the south are lacking, while in Plumstead and Thamesmead, almost every bus seems to only go to Bexleyheath, North Greenwich, or Lewisham
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Post by twobellstogo on Apr 15, 2021 15:59:03 GMT
Greenwich is a mixed bag, in the west of the borough, around Blackheath, Greenwich and North Greenwich there are excellent links to Central London, East London, and other areas around the area, Woolwich is okay if you need to get a bus to Bexleyheath, Lewisham or Central London, but links to the south are lacking, while in Plumstead and Thamesmead, almost every bus seems to only go to Bexleyheath, North Greenwich, or Lewisham Blackheath Village, admittedly a border town between Greenwich/Lewisham, has very poor links if you want to go any further west than Lewisham : I believe the last link between the village and west of Lewisham was when the 89 had live garage journeys to NX. |
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Post by bus12451 on Apr 15, 2021 16:23:44 GMT
Bexley would have to be one of the worst - Generally, a daytime bus journey from the borough to anywhere west of New Cross will require more than one bus. Unless you count the 177 which barely serves Bexley, you can only get as far west on one bus as New Cross Gate on the 321, in zone 2. (89, 132, 180, 286, 422 and 486 reach zone 2/3). I think there is a missed opportunity because a direct bus link between Bexleyheath/Welling and Central London via the A2 and A207 could work quite well, perhaps something similar to the N89, but via OKR. Welling isn't well linked with north of the borough, nor is Crayford other than the 428 to Erith. The only north-south bus routes are the 229 and B12. The 229 is quite indirect, and more or less acts as two separate routes (Thamesmead - Bexleyheath and Bexleyheath - Sidcup). Whilst there is the 51, 160, 233, B14 and R11 at Sidcup crossing into Bromley, only the 51 and B14 serve a larger part of Bexley. The B14 is infrequent so in many cases, crossing into Bromley would require at least one change. On the bright side, buses crossing into Greenwich are plentiful. In terms of night buses, the 472 and N1 barely serve Bexley, which leaves only the 321, N21 and N89 (plus 132 and 486 on weekends). So travelling around the borough at night by bus is pretty much impossible without heading into Greenwich. None of this is helped by the fact that there is no Tube, DLR or Overground. Buses in Bexley are perfectly adequate, the only thing I would change really would be at Foot's Cray send the 492 to Orpington instead of Sidcup... As for cross-zone routes we have southeastern which is frequent and essentially free off peak... I think the bus network in Bexley is designed in such a way that most routes congregate at Bexleyheath (and many terminating there) without any proper links between smaller areas around the borough. You can't get from Welling to Abbey Wood or Bexley Village to Welling for example without having to change buses at some point along your journey, despite each of these places not being too far apart from each other. I think that there are not enough cross borough routes in Bexley, only N-S routes being the 229 and B12 as mentioned. Then there's the issue with night bus routes I also talked about. Using Croydon as an example, travelling around the borough is usually hassle-free, Coulsdon to Thornton Heath, Addington to Purley or Norwood Junction to New Addington all on one bus for example. Access to places outside Croydon using one bus: Bromley, Kingston, Sutton, Redhill, Holborn, Elephant & Castle, Clapham, Brixton and the list goes on. Comparing this to Bexley, Croydon is significantly better, despite also being an Outer London borough. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2021 16:37:45 GMT
Bexley would have to be one of the worst - Generally, a daytime bus journey from the borough to anywhere west of New Cross will require more than one bus. Unless you count the 177 which barely serves Bexley, you can only get as far west on one bus as New Cross Gate on the 321, in zone 2. (89, 132, 180, 286, 422 and 486 reach zone 2/3). I think there is a missed opportunity because a direct bus link between Bexleyheath/Welling and Central London via the A2 and A207 could work quite well, perhaps something similar to the N89, but via OKR. Welling isn't well linked with north of the borough, nor is Crayford other than the 428 to Erith. The only north-south bus routes are the 229 and B12. The 229 is quite indirect, and more or less acts as two separate routes (Thamesmead - Bexleyheath and Bexleyheath - Sidcup). Whilst there is the 51, 160, 233, B14 and R11 at Sidcup crossing into Bromley, only the 51 and B14 serve a larger part of Bexley. The B14 is infrequent so in many cases, crossing into Bromley would require at least one change. On the bright side, buses crossing into Greenwich are plentiful. In terms of night buses, the 472 and N1 barely serve Bexley, which leaves only the 321, N21 and N89 (plus 132 and 486 on weekends). So travelling around the borough at night by bus is pretty much impossible without heading into Greenwich. None of this is helped by the fact that there is no Tube, DLR or Overground. Buses in Bexley are perfectly adequate, the only thing I would change really would be at Foot's Cray send the 492 to Orpington instead of Sidcup... As for cross-zone routes we have southeastern which is frequent and essentially free off peak... You can’t do that, then North Cray is cut off from Sidcup it’s nearest town centre. |
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Post by Gellico on Apr 15, 2021 21:26:35 GMT
Buses in Bexley are perfectly adequate, the only thing I would change really would be at Foot's Cray send the 492 to Orpington instead of Sidcup... As for cross-zone routes we have southeastern which is frequent and essentially free off peak... I think the bus network in Bexley is designed in such a way that most routes congregate at Bexleyheath (and many terminating there) without any proper links between smaller areas around the borough. You can't get from Welling to Abbey Wood or Bexley Village to Welling for example without having to change buses at some point along your journey, despite each of these places not being too far apart from each other. I think that there are not enough cross borough routes in Bexley, only N-S routes being the 229 and B12 as mentioned. Then there's the issue with night bus routes I also talked about. Using Croydon as an example, travelling around the borough is usually hassle-free, Coulsdon to Thornton Heath, Addington to Purley or Norwood Junction to New Addington all on one bus for example. Access to places outside Croydon using one bus: Bromley, Kingston, Sutton, Redhill, Holborn, Elephant & Castle, Clapham, Brixton and the list goes on. Comparing this to Bexley, Croydon is significantly better, despite also being an Outer London borough. I would question the demand for cross border routes in Bexley however... Bexleyheath is a very convenient interchange instead of somewhere like Croydon which is massive. Also Bexley has some massive wealth divides which will certainly dictate journey desires. And yes the borough is certainly one of the worst served by night routes. The river is to blame in that regard... |
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