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Post by MKAY315 on May 14, 2023 18:14:57 GMT
MKAY315 the decline really began when they drew to Liverpool, then West Ham and eventually Southampton. By that point they lost confidence and also with two defenders being injured it really meant no way back for Arsenal I think the result against Brentford back in February created the doubt for me as when it comes to Arsenal they seem to mess up in 3s. The other results with Liverpool, West Ham and Southampton were just the final nail in the coffin. Considering City are still in the fa and champions league on Arsenal's part it is a failure as they only had one game a week from March onwards. |
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Post by MKAY315 on May 14, 2023 18:17:07 GMT
AaaaaaND THERE GOES THE TITLE FOR ARSENAL. It was this exact reason I didn't want Arsenal to beat Newcastle last week. It was a waste of time. City only need to beat Chelsea next match and the title is theirs I did think City might drop points today but they ended up strolling it and what a performance from Brighton and clearly the 1-5 defeat at home to Everton was just a freak result. I think second place is still pretty decent for Arsenal but they've missed the best chance they're likely to get to win the title. That being said with Arsenal back in the Champions League I wonder how they'll do because if they can't handle the teams in the Europa League then how will the cope in the Champions League as they're going to be even tougher |
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Post by MKAY315 on May 14, 2023 18:18:00 GMT
MKAY315 the decline really began when they drew to Liverpool, then West Ham and eventually Southampton. By that point they lost confidence and also with two defenders being injured it really meant no way back for Arsenal This is the biggest surprise today since seeing ENR7 now with AR codes  Still, in no position to gloat, but it looks like Thursday nights in Europe for us. Depends what Spurs side turn up next week against Brentford. Levy is looking at a Punto Pinto for the DoF role, which allegedly put Nagelsmann off the job. Really Spurs are trying to save face, like being rejected for a job but fronting you were not feeling it anyway  I had a feeling this would happen today. I'm surprised the scoreline wasn't more. |
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Post by vjaska on May 14, 2023 18:59:15 GMT
AaaaaaND THERE GOES THE TITLE FOR ARSENAL. It was this exact reason I didn't want Arsenal to beat Newcastle last week. It was a waste of time. City only need to beat Chelsea next match and the title is theirs The title went weeks ago when we dropped points to Southampton & West Ham and dropping points earlier on to Southampton again and Everton. Brentford was the refs fault - if that goal doesn't stand, I'm pretty confident we would of went and won that game whilst still getting a draw out of the Liverpool game at Anfield was reasonable even though we should of sealed it at 2-0 as Anfield is a horrible place to play for away teams. Anyway, onwards and upwards - I'm excited for Champions League football (I expect at least the quarters which is reasonable given we routinely did that with arguably worse or similar Arsenal teams) and excited to see how this squad evolves and kicks on next season in challenging for the league again. |
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Post by MKAY315 on May 14, 2023 19:23:33 GMT
AaaaaaND THERE GOES THE TITLE FOR ARSENAL. It was this exact reason I didn't want Arsenal to beat Newcastle last week. It was a waste of time. City only need to beat Chelsea next match and the title is theirs The title went weeks ago when we dropped points to Southampton & West Ham and dropping points earlier on to Southampton again and Everton. Brentford was the refs fault - if that goal doesn't stand, I'm pretty confident we would of went and won that game whilst still getting a draw out of the Liverpool game at Anfield was reasonable even though we should of sealed it at 2-0 as Anfield is a horrible place to play for away teams. Anyway, onwards and upwards - I'm excited for Champions League football (I expect at least the quarters which is reasonable given we routinely did that with arguably worse or similar Arsenal teams) and excited to see how this squad evolves and kicks on next season in challenging for the league again. The title was gone realistically at the Liverpool game but today sealed the fate. I genuinely do hope that with Arsenal being out of the champions league for so long that they actually make it count and make a good impression as I really don't want this team to be there to be occupying a space. We previously did that during the Wenger days and apart from getting to 1 final and a semi final despite going out on the round of 16 continuously |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 14, 2023 21:57:49 GMT
MKAY315 the decline really began when they drew to Liverpool, then West Ham and eventually Southampton. By that point they lost confidence and also with two defenders being injured it really meant no way back for Arsenal This is the biggest surprise today since seeing ENR7 now with AR codes Still, in no position to gloat, but it looks like Thursday nights in Europe for us. Depends what Spurs side turn up next week against Brentford. Levy is looking at a Punto Pinto for the DoF role, which allegedly put Nagelsmann off the job. Really Spurs are trying to save face, like being rejected for a job but fronting you were not feeling it anyway lol, you would be lucky if Spurs gets any European football this season. It is as bad as saying Arsenal could still win the league. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 14, 2023 21:59:07 GMT
Arsenal may as well lose to Forrest next week to let them stay in the league for another season. City can lose to Brighton and Brentford now and it won't affect them. Arsenal really shot themselves in the foot big time. Let's see what next season holds for Arsenal With Champions league football, that would de-rail them in the league, I can see it being with 2nd or 3rd place. |
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Post by MKAY315 on May 14, 2023 22:27:24 GMT
Arsenal may as well lose to Forrest next week to let them stay in the league for another season. City can lose to Brighton and Brentford now and it won't affect them. Arsenal really shot themselves in the foot big time. Let's see what next season holds for Arsenal With Champions league football, that would de-rail them in the league, I can see it being with 2nd or 3rd place. You're a better person than me. I don't know how we will do in the champions league next year but you never know. Considering we were the first English team to beat Real Madrid at Santi Bernabeu anything can happen. |
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Post by northlondon83 on May 15, 2023 9:57:05 GMT
It looks like the relegation battle will be between Leeds, Leicester and Everton. If Nottingham Forest win their next match they should be safe. Having said that out of the four teams Forest have the worst goal difference and if Leeds, Leicester and Everton all win their remaining matches (very unlikely) and Forest only get 3 or less points then Forest will be relegated.
My predictions:
Everton 36 points - will draw against Wolves but beat Bournemouth. Both other teams are safe and aren't really competing for anything right now.
Nottingham Forest 36 points - I have a feeling that they'll get a result against Arsenal, probably a draw since Arsenal have thrown a lot away recently. Then I think they'll draw to Palace. However they'll finish below Everton as they have a worse goal difference.
Leeds - 35 points - They'll draw to West Ham but I think they can beat Spurs as Spurs have gone downhill in recent weeks. However this won't be enough to save them.
Leicester 31 points - I'm expecting them to lose against Liverpool and Newcastle but will draw against West Ham. The first two matches aren't easy.
Leicester do have a game in hand at the moment so if they do win tonight they'll send Everton back into the drop zone.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 15, 2023 14:16:09 GMT
On Arsenal, what we learnt from Liverpool and Man City battles is that it is not 'where you dropped points' when you lose out to City, it matters to beat them. 18-19 Liverpool lost title by one point, failed to beat City. 19-20 Liverpool won title, beat City at home in Nov. 21-22 Liverpool lost by one point, fail to beat City.
Arsenal lost the title at the Emirates when they failed to kill City before they came alive.
On the relegation, I am thinking who I would want to stay up. I dont care about Leeds and Alardyce so goodbye. I dont like the idea of Leicester and their recent history to go down but if you promised any team in the Championship Leicester's last 10 years they would probably take the relegation if that is what it costs.
Logically, Everton should stay up based on fixtures and form.
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Post by northlondon83 on May 15, 2023 14:23:34 GMT
On Arsenal, what we learnt from Liverpool and Man City battles is that it is not 'where you dropped points' when you lose out to City, it matters to beat them. 18-19 Liverpool lost title by one point, failed to beat City. 19-20 Liverpool won title, beat City at home in Nov. 21-22 Liverpool lost by one point, fail to beat City. Arsenal lost the title at the Emirates when they failed to kill City before they came alive. On the relegation, I am thinking who I would want to stay up. I dont care about Leeds and Alardyce so goodbye. I dont like the idea of Leicester and their recent history to go down but if you promised any team in the Championship Leicester's last 10 years they would probably take the relegation if that is what it costs. Logically, Everton should stay up based on fixtures and form. Yeah Allardyce is a bit arrogant especially when he said he was better than Klopp and Guardiola. Personally I don't care about any of the teams near the bottom but as you sau about Leicester they have had a few decent seasons, first the League title, then two 5th place finishes (they still had the opportunity to finish 4th come the last day of the season on both occassions), and also the FA Cup win. Regardless of whether they survive or not they need a shaking up and perhaps employing a better manager. However sadly I don't see Leicester competing with the top teams again |
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2023 14:46:10 GMT
On Arsenal, what we learnt from Liverpool and Man City battles is that it is not 'where you dropped points' when you lose out to City, it matters to beat them. 18-19 Liverpool lost title by one point, failed to beat City. 19-20 Liverpool won title, beat City at home in Nov. 21-22 Liverpool lost by one point, fail to beat City. Arsenal lost the title at the Emirates when they failed to kill City before they came alive. On the relegation, I am thinking who I would want to stay up. I dont care about Leeds and Alardyce so goodbye. I dont like the idea of Leicester and their recent history to go down but if you promised any team in the Championship Leicester's last 10 years they would probably take the relegation if that is what it costs. Logically, Everton should stay up based on fixtures and form. I disagree in regards to where Arsenal lost it - the two games against City are irrelevant IMO if we managed to beat Southampton, Brighton & West Ham as well as the Everton game in January & Southampton earlier on in the season. On top of that, if VAR did it's job against Brentford, Man Utd and one other game for which escapes me currently, we would be on even more points but equally, it's not down to VAR to do our job for us, it's us and we just wern't good enough overall. I think far too many Arsenal fans got carried away even when we had the 8 point gap - I'd said from the beginning that City would eventually overhaul us not because I don't believe in the team but because they are far and above everyone else and I have to say, I find anyone cheering for City, outside of Spurs & City fans, as rather odd because in actual fact, if we aren't careful, the Prem is slowly turning into the Continential Leagues where there really is only team able to win it. On top of that, I wish that phrase "bottle" would stop being thrown around - hardly to lose bottle if you come up short against the best squad on paper in the world? I'd like Leicester & Everton to go down personally - tired of playing at Goodison Park as historic a ground it is & Leciester have, quite frankly, run it's course. I prefer Leeds to stay up not for anything to do with Allardyce (he'll be gone regardless) but I've always liked them from when they were a very good team back in the late 90's to early 00's |
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Post by greenboy on May 15, 2023 17:15:17 GMT
On Arsenal, what we learnt from Liverpool and Man City battles is that it is not 'where you dropped points' when you lose out to City, it matters to beat them. 18-19 Liverpool lost title by one point, failed to beat City. 19-20 Liverpool won title, beat City at home in Nov. 21-22 Liverpool lost by one point, fail to beat City. Arsenal lost the title at the Emirates when they failed to kill City before they came alive. On the relegation, I am thinking who I would want to stay up. I dont care about Leeds and Alardyce so goodbye. I dont like the idea of Leicester and their recent history to go down but if you promised any team in the Championship Leicester's last 10 years they would probably take the relegation if that is what it costs. Logically, Everton should stay up based on fixtures and form. Yeah Allardyce is a bit arrogant especially when he said he was better than Klopp and Guardiola. Personally I don't care about any of the teams near the bottom but as you sau about Leicester they have had a few decent seasons, first the League title, then two 5th place finishes (they still had the opportunity to finish 4th come the last day of the season on both occassions), and also the FA Cup win. Regardless of whether they survive or not they need a shaking up and perhaps employing a better manager. However sadly I don't see Leicester competing with the top teams again Big Sam just came out with that nonsense to take the attention away from the players. I'll be surprised if Leicester get anything tonight. |
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Post by ServerKing on May 15, 2023 17:54:10 GMT
This is the biggest surprise today since seeing ENR7 now with AR codes Still, in no position to gloat, but it looks like Thursday nights in Europe for us. Depends what Spurs side turn up next week against Brentford. Levy is looking at a Punto Pinto for the DoF role, which allegedly put Nagelsmann off the job. Really Spurs are trying to save face, like being rejected for a job but fronting you were not feeling it anyway lol, you would be lucky if Spurs gets any European football this season. It is as bad as saying Arsenal could still win the league. Kane may dive for the odd penalty but it seems the squad is in holiday mode, no one wants to work with or for Levy with his penny pinching ways, poor transfer windows, ageing and lazy squad... where he picks who plays. Kane would do well to move on, but I think he's too comfortable, plus his dozy brother wouldn't be able to negotiate a deal with Man United or anyone else. He will stay until he's beyond servicable use, like EN20 on the 318 Still no DoF, everything is put out to the press where other clubs just get on with it and get a manager  |
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Post by northlondon83 on May 15, 2023 20:44:37 GMT
lol, you would be lucky if Spurs gets any European football this season. It is as bad as saying Arsenal could still win the league. Kane may dive for the odd penalty but it seems the squad is in holiday mode, no one wants to work with or for Levy with his penny pinching ways, poor transfer windows, ageing and lazy squad... where he picks who plays. Kane would do well to move on, but I think he's too comfortable, plus his dozy brother wouldn't be able to negotiate a deal with Man United or anyone else. He will stay until he's beyond servicable use, like EN20 on the 318 Still no DoF, everything is put out to the press where other clubs just get on with it and get a manager Spurs may potentially finish 8th this season. Brighton are ahead of them with two games in hand whilst Villa are on the same points as Spurs. Meanwhile Liverpool could even break into the top 4 |
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