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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2023 12:46:08 GMT
And that in itself is the problem with relegation play offs - it rewards failure for the top flight team and punishes the team from the lower division who had a good season. Thank goodness that system isn't in England You could say the same for the playoffs in the lower leagues. A team that finished 6th could get promoted when there were 3 teams better than them I agree and 5th and 6th placed clubs really don't deserve another bite at the promotion cherry, I think it would be better to have three up/down between the Premier League and the Championship with a two legged play off between 4th top/bottom so it would have been Everton v Middlesbrough this season.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 5, 2023 13:01:16 GMT
You could say the same for the playoffs in the lower leagues. A team that finished 6th could get promoted when there were 3 teams better than them I agree and 5th and 6th placed clubs really don't deserve another bite at the promotion cherry, I think it would be better to have three up/down between the Premier League and the Championship with a two legged play off between 4th top/bottom so it would have been Everton v Middlesbrough this season. Or perhaps we could make the play offs more simple by having it just between 3rd and 4th place. Besides play offs between teams in different divisions is silly
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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2023 13:27:14 GMT
I agree and 5th and 6th placed clubs really don't deserve another bite at the promotion cherry, I think it would be better to have three up/down between the Premier League and the Championship with a two legged play off between 4th top/bottom so it would have been Everton v Middlesbrough this season. Or perhaps we could make the play offs more simple by having it just between 3rd and 4th place. Besides play offs between teams in different divisions is silly I think play offs between teams in the same division is silly and you would still have the same arguments about a play off between 3rd and 4th especially if there's a big points difference between the two clubs. I think the German Bundesliga system is better and the second leg of that is tonight with Hamburg hosting Stuttgart with the visitors 3-0 ahead from the first leg.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2023 14:01:19 GMT
You could say the same for the playoffs in the lower leagues. A team that finished 6th could get promoted when there were 3 teams better than them I agree and 5th and 6th placed clubs really don't deserve another bite at the promotion cherry, I think it would be better to have three up/down between the Premier League and the Championship with a two legged play off between 4th top/bottom so it would have been Everton v Middlesbrough this season. So 5th & 6th don't deserve a chance to get promoted which I can understand but your ok rewarding the team in the above division another chance at avoiding relegating and thus rewarding real failure? Sorry but I don't understand the logic here?
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Post by Paul on Jun 5, 2023 18:16:34 GMT
Is the reason for the playoff system not to give teams something to play for come the end of the season? If it was a straight three up/three down system then a dozen or so teams have nothing to play for from about March. At least this way, the competitive juices can continue to flow
I think a better playoff system would be sixth plays fifth, the winner plays fourth then the winner plays third. This rewards the third placed team as they only have to play one game while the sixth placed team, who might have only snuck into the playoffs, really have to work to get promoted. If you arrange the games over the course of ten days or so then I think you could have a really competitive series
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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2023 18:27:01 GMT
Is the reason for the playoff system not to give teams something to play for come the end of the season? If it was a straight three up/three down system then a dozen or so teams have nothing to play for from about March. At least this way, the competitive juices can continue to flow I think a better playoff system would be sixth plays fifth, the winner plays fourth then the winner plays third. This rewards the third placed team as they only have to play one game while the sixth placed team, who might have only snuck into the playoffs, really have to work to get promoted. If you arrange the games over the course of ten days or so then I think you could have a really competitive series Yes and I understand the argument for play offs but it's a bit like a marathon and the winner gets gold, the runner up gets silver and 3rd 4th 5th and 6th have to do a 100m sprint to decide who gets the bronze. Your suggestion is certainly better than what we have now, it does at least give the higher placed clubs an advantage.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 5, 2023 20:32:05 GMT
Ange Postecoglou becomes the new Tottenham manager www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65813665Don't know him but wish him well. Seems strange to go for an unknown name however the pressure isn't on as Spurs have no European football next season
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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2023 21:09:50 GMT
Hamburg got an early goal but three second half Stuttgart goals condemn them to a sixth season in Bundesliga 2.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 5, 2023 21:16:15 GMT
Ange Postecoglou becomes the new Tottenham manager www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65813665Don't know him but wish him well. Seems strange to go for an unknown name however the pressure isn't on as Spurs have no European football next season Tottenham fans seem somewhat underwhelmed to say the least!
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2023 21:22:42 GMT
Ange Postecoglou becomes the new Tottenham manager www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65813665Don't know him but wish him well. Seems strange to go for an unknown name however the pressure isn't on as Spurs have no European football next season He is highly rated by Guardiola and plays good football (they gave Real Madrid a massive scare in the Champions League earlier this season). Spurs fans are in no position to be underwhelmed or turn their nose up at him.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2023 21:24:25 GMT
Is the reason for the playoff system not to give teams something to play for come the end of the season? If it was a straight three up/three down system then a dozen or so teams have nothing to play for from about March. At least this way, the competitive juices can continue to flow I think a better playoff system would be sixth plays fifth, the winner plays fourth then the winner plays third. This rewards the third placed team as they only have to play one game while the sixth placed team, who might have only snuck into the playoffs, really have to work to get promoted. If you arrange the games over the course of ten days or so then I think you could have a really competitive series I think this is pretty reasonable as an alternative to the current system even though I’ve no issue with how it currently is - certainly far better than any relegation play-off which frankly I find awful.
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 6, 2023 6:00:07 GMT
Ange Postecoglou becomes the new Tottenham manager www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/65813665Don't know him but wish him well. Seems strange to go for an unknown name however the pressure isn't on as Spurs have no European football next season He is highly rated by Guardiola and plays good football (they gave Real Madrid a massive scare in the Champions League earlier this season). Spurs fans are in no position to be underwhelmed or turn their nose up at him. He is quite unique as he's not turning up at Spurs like So Solid Crew with a huge entourage (younger readers, ask your parents ), Conte's crew did a fat lot of good, even when bizarrely some like Stellini were retained when Conte left. The "World Class Managers" are even more higher maintenance than ENR1 on the 318 Conte and co expect to change the squad to their liking with huge wads of cash (good luck making Daniel Levy spend his money ) so it would have never worked at Spurs. Postecoglou is more of an "Existing Bus" manager and can get something out of the knackered stock at Tottenham He's already planning a clearout of at least 9, perhaps even letting Kane go as we've relied on him too much, would like to see some of the younger players like Abbott get a look-in, he did well in the Leeds game. Finally Eric Dier might be sent to Edmonton Garage, iBus equipment and blinds removed Would like to see a Captain who isn't in goal, I never thought this worked for Spurs
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 6, 2023 8:58:33 GMT
Is the reason for the playoff system not to give teams something to play for come the end of the season? If it was a straight three up/three down system then a dozen or so teams have nothing to play for from about March. At least this way, the competitive juices can continue to flow I think a better playoff system would be sixth plays fifth, the winner plays fourth then the winner plays third. This rewards the third placed team as they only have to play one game while the sixth placed team, who might have only snuck into the playoffs, really have to work to get promoted. If you arrange the games over the course of ten days or so then I think you could have a really competitive series Completely agree. Make it harder for teams that finish lower, or there needs to be an advantage for finishing 3rd. The conference system which is similar to the NfL system was quite good. Teams had to go on the road on one off games at Notts County. They made hard work of it but got promoted. The silly one is Serie A. Slightly different but we have a relegation play off between Spezia and Verona next week because they both finished with 31 points either side of the relegation line. This will be played at a neutral ground. However, if I were Spezia I would be fuming. You have a better goal difference after 38 games and you have a better head to head record against Verona, but somehow it is playoff. A playoff should only happen when a records are identical. Also with all playoffs, more games more money I guess.
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Post by greenboy on Jun 6, 2023 9:48:19 GMT
Is the reason for the playoff system not to give teams something to play for come the end of the season? If it was a straight three up/three down system then a dozen or so teams have nothing to play for from about March. At least this way, the competitive juices can continue to flow I think a better playoff system would be sixth plays fifth, the winner plays fourth then the winner plays third. This rewards the third placed team as they only have to play one game while the sixth placed team, who might have only snuck into the playoffs, really have to work to get promoted. If you arrange the games over the course of ten days or so then I think you could have a really competitive series Completely agree. Make it harder for teams that finish lower, or there needs to be an advantage for finishing 3rd. The conference system which is similar to the NfL system was quite good. Teams had to go on the road on one off games at Notts County. They made hard work of it but got promoted. The silly one is Serie A. Slightly different but we have a relegation play off between Spezia and Verona next week because they both finished with 31 points either side of the relegation line. This will be played at a neutral ground. However, if I were Spezia I would be fuming. You have a better goal difference after 38 games and you have a better head to head record against Verona, but somehow it is playoff. A playoff should only happen when a records are identical. Also with all playoffs, more games more money I guess. I thought that Serie A situation was strange but apparently the rule is that goal difference cannot be used to decide 1st or 17th place. As for the NL I think it would have been a traversty if Notts County hadn't been promoted after finishing 23 points ahead of third place, but they only just scraped through. I think it would be better to have two up/down between the NL and League 2 with a two legged play off between third top and bottom, ie Chesterfield v Crawley.
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Post by northlondon83 on Jun 6, 2023 9:51:58 GMT
He is highly rated by Guardiola and plays good football (they gave Real Madrid a massive scare in the Champions League earlier this season). Spurs fans are in no position to be underwhelmed or turn their nose up at him. He is quite unique as he's not turning up at Spurs like So Solid Crew with a huge entourage (younger readers, ask your parents ), Conte's crew did a fat lot of good, even when bizarrely some like Stellini were retained when Conte left. The "World Class Managers" are even more higher maintenance than ENR1 on the 318 Conte and co expect to change the squad to their liking with huge wads of cash (good luck making Daniel Levy spend his money ) so it would have never worked at Spurs. Postecoglou is more of an "Existing Bus" manager and can get something out of the knackered stock at Tottenham He's already planning a clearout of at least 9, perhaps even letting Kane go as we've relied on him too much, would like to see some of the younger players like Abbott get a look-in, he did well in the Leeds game. Finally Eric Dier might be sent to Edmonton Garage, iBus equipment and blinds removed Would like to see a Captain who isn't in goal, I never thought this worked for Spurs Really hope that Levy doesn't get impatient and sends him packing before Christmas, like he did to Nuno
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