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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2023 10:20:18 GMT
But honestly I do feel as though Spurs are going to struggle big time now. They had their "GoLdEn" years by being above Arsenal for a while and did NOTHING to capitalise on that apart from one champions league final. I don’t follow that notion simply because there are plenty of examples of teams losing their star man and it not being the end of the world. Arsenal without Henry still continued to finish 4th, Spurs without Bale were still around the 4th spot, United & Real Madrid without Ronaldo still were winning trophies so for me, Spurs will probably end up 7th or 8th neither worse nor better off for having no Kane
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 12, 2023 11:22:54 GMT
But honestly I do feel as though Spurs are going to struggle big time now. They had their "GoLdEn" years by being above Arsenal for a while and did NOTHING to capitalise on that apart from one champions league final. I don’t follow that notion simply because there are plenty of examples of teams losing their star man and it not being the end of the world. Arsenal without Henry still continued to finish 4th, Spurs without Bale were still around the 4th spot, United & Real Madrid without Ronaldo still were winning trophies so for me, Spurs will probably end up 7th or 8th neither worse nor better off for having no Kane For Spurs I'd say it was really from the 15/16 season they finished in the top 4 a few seasons after Bale left. The difference with United and Spurs is that with United they still had hitters that could score loads of goals whereas Spurs mostly rely on Kane. Son has his moments where he scores and has his droughts.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 12, 2023 11:38:25 GMT
Harry Kane really can't fail to win trophies at Bayern Munich although I think he might have been better to see out his contract when he'll be free to join another Premier League club. He'll forever wonder about if he had joined Man City before they signed Haaland.
I would anticipate another mediocre season for Tottenham and it would probably have been the same if Kane had stayed.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 12, 2023 11:42:08 GMT
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 12, 2023 11:42:57 GMT
In other news the arsenal match has been pushed back to 1pm due to ticketing issues. Same situation last season when it was Palace against West Ham
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2023 12:03:33 GMT
I don’t follow that notion simply because there are plenty of examples of teams losing their star man and it not being the end of the world. Arsenal without Henry still continued to finish 4th, Spurs without Bale were still around the 4th spot, United & Real Madrid without Ronaldo still were winning trophies so for me, Spurs will probably end up 7th or 8th neither worse nor better off for having no Kane For Spurs I'd say it was really from the 15/16 season they finished in the top 4 a few seasons after Bale left. The difference with United and Spurs is that with United they still had hitters that could score loads of goals whereas Spurs mostly rely on Kane. Son has his moments where he scores and has his droughts. That’s why I said in and around the 4th spot rather than finishing 4th in relation to Spurs but regardless, the point I’m making is usually when a star player leaves, a replacement comes in or others step up and cover the exodus of goals. I’ve seen people suggest they would of been in a relegation battle last season without Kane and that they’ll finish bottom half this season which I can’t simply subscribe to and that’s even with my Gooner hat on. Kane didn’t fit the predicted system that Ange played at Celtic so in some respects, it’s a blessing he has gone and the pressure in some respects is off now.
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Post by greenboy on Aug 12, 2023 13:24:32 GMT
Imagine the wisecracks if after winning nothing in nearly 20 years at Tottenham he wins a trophy within 24 hours of leaving, even if it is only the German equivalent of the Community Shield.
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Post by borneobus on Aug 12, 2023 14:51:49 GMT
Harry Kane really can't fail to win trophies at Bayern Munich although I think he might have been better to see out his contract when he'll be free to join another Premier League club. He'll forever wonder about if he had joined Man City before they signed Haaland. I would anticipate another mediocre season for Tottenham and it would probably have been the same if Kane had stayed. But looking at the stats, and I don't pretend to know much about football, Kane scored 30 in the PL last season which was the total equivalent of the next eight Spurs players scoring (Son, Bentancur, Hojbjerg, Porro, Davies, Dier, Kulusevski & Sessengnon)
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Post by northlondon83 on Aug 12, 2023 14:54:54 GMT
Without Kane I think that Spurs will have an average season, probably anything from 5th to 8th. The problem really lies with Levy.
I also think that City will run away with the title yet again
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 12, 2023 15:00:36 GMT
For Spurs I'd say it was really from the 15/16 season they finished in the top 4 a few seasons after Bale left. The difference with United and Spurs is that with United they still had hitters that could score loads of goals whereas Spurs mostly rely on Kane. Son has his moments where he scores and has his droughts. That’s why I said in and around the 4th spot rather than finishing 4th in relation to Spurs but regardless, the point I’m making is usually when a star player leaves, a replacement comes in or others step up and cover the exodus of goals. I’ve seen people suggest they would of been in a relegation battle last season without Kane and that they’ll finish bottom half this season which I can’t simply subscribe to and that’s even with my Gooner hat on. Kane didn’t fit the predicted system that Ange played at Celtic so in some respects, it’s a blessing he has gone and the pressure in some respects is off now. I wouldn't say spurs would be in a relegation battle but with Kane gone unless they get a gem in the team then that's essentially most of their threat gone. Which was why when United was mentioned. Despite Ronaldo going. They still had Rooney, Nani, Scholes etc getting in the goals.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 12, 2023 15:54:12 GMT
But honestly I do feel as though Spurs are going to struggle big time now. They had their "GoLdEn" years by being above Arsenal for a while and did NOTHING to capitalise on that apart from one champions league final. I don’t follow that notion simply because there are plenty of examples of teams losing their star man and it not being the end of the world. Arsenal without Henry still continued to finish 4th, Spurs without Bale were still around the 4th spot, United & Real Madrid without Ronaldo still were winning trophies so for me, Spurs will probably end up 7th or 8th neither worse nor better off for having no Kane It will stop the nickname of being "the Harry Kane Team"... and the pre-season games went fairly well with Richarlison scoring a hattrick (ok, it was only an unknown Singapore team), if other now step out from Kane's shadow and start scoring again (even Skipp got both goals against Barca even if they went on to lose 4-2), definitely more attacking football, less timid than before, and even Ange in press conferences will belittle the press if they are asking stupid questions (all week has been about Kane, so I am glad he has finally said "Tschüss" (bye) and shoved off to Munich, there would be nothing worse than someone fuming because of missed opportunities and dragging down the rest with negativity)... Mason just used to agree and Conte's only entertaining contribution was the spectacular meltdown at Southampton ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Perhaps without getting too burnt out with Euro football, and a manager keen to win stuff (won the "prestigious" Tiger Cup in Singapore already), perhaps more of a proper view of Cup Games, it could be a more productive season. The irony would bs winning something without Kane... we will see Kane at Tottenham next year (if we're playing Bayern in the CL next season) ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by vjaska on Aug 12, 2023 16:20:18 GMT
That’s why I said in and around the 4th spot rather than finishing 4th in relation to Spurs but regardless, the point I’m making is usually when a star player leaves, a replacement comes in or others step up and cover the exodus of goals. I’ve seen people suggest they would of been in a relegation battle last season without Kane and that they’ll finish bottom half this season which I can’t simply subscribe to and that’s even with my Gooner hat on. Kane didn’t fit the predicted system that Ange played at Celtic so in some respects, it’s a blessing he has gone and the pressure in some respects is off now. I wouldn't say spurs would be in a relegation battle but with Kane gone unless they get a gem in the team then that's essentially most of their threat gone. Which was why when United was mentioned. Despite Ronaldo going. They still had Rooney, Nani, Scholes etc getting in the goals. Hence my point where I said others stepped up or replacements came in - there is no doubt Son can step up and given they are no longer playing ancient dross football, I’d imagine there will be more goals from the likes of Bissouma, Kuluveski as well as Maddison which will go some way to cover the goals up. Where I think they’ll be found out is defensively where they are still far from good enough and that was their Achilles heel last season.
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 12, 2023 17:48:37 GMT
I wouldn't say spurs would be in a relegation battle but with Kane gone unless they get a gem in the team then that's essentially most of their threat gone. Which was why when United was mentioned. Despite Ronaldo going. They still had Rooney, Nani, Scholes etc getting in the goals. Hence my point where I said others stepped up or replacements came in - there is no doubt Son can step up and given they are no longer playing ancient dross football, I’d imagine there will be more goals from the likes of Bissouma, Kuluveski as well as Maddison which will go some way to cover the goals up. Where I think they’ll be found out is defensively where they are still far from good enough and that was their Achilles heel last season. Kulusevski the jury's out on that. Bissouma strikes me more like a defensive midfielder. Son and Maddison I would say are proven scorers so unless those two names you mentioned handle the business then I can see Spurs somewhat declining for a bit.
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Post by mkay315 on Aug 12, 2023 19:50:35 GMT
Today whilst I'm happy we won. I have this to say. WE NEED TO KILL OFF GAMES!!!!! I cannot stress this enough how IMPORTANT this is. When we take our foot off the gas we are the type of team to easily get sucker punched.
Right now it's thin margins that can make the biggest difference. So no I will not accept that it's just three points because you only need to look at previous examples as to when people thought it was just three points and United lost the title to goal difference.
I will also add this last point. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S MATCHDAY 1.
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 12, 2023 20:56:33 GMT
Hence my point where I said others stepped up or replacements came in - there is no doubt Son can step up and given they are no longer playing ancient dross football, I’d imagine there will be more goals from the likes of Bissouma, Kuluveski as well as Maddison which will go some way to cover the goals up. Where I think they’ll be found out is defensively where they are still far from good enough and that was their Achilles heel last season. Kulusevski the jury's out on that. Bissouma strikes me more like a defensive midfielder. Son and Maddison I would say are proven scorers so unless those two names you mentioned handle the business then I can see Spurs somewhat declining for a bit. Son has been named as Captain for the season for Spurs... makes a change from having a goalie as Captain. The wait for a trophy goes on for Kane, RB Leipzig thrashed Bayern 3-0 ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) Kane did his usual hanging around the opposition's goal, not much tracking back... perhaps its early days and teething problems like the electrics on the 307 ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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