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Post by abellion on Sept 14, 2021 5:31:32 GMT
The campaign against the 316 on Royal Crescent was effectively a joint campaign with those objecting against the 228 on Ladbroke Grove (southern end). I suspect that if you tried to send a DD route down that section of Ladbroke Grove you would run into the same level of objection and we'd be back to square one.
A lot of these resident objections do get quietly "forgotten" over time but clearly the Royal Crescent objectors have more clout than most, as the DD ban seems to be rigorously enforced to this day. Same goes for the 184 DD ban on Alexandra Park Road.
Hmm maybe your right 🤔 I guess that the only option is to reroute the 316 to Notting Hill Gate via the 52 then via the 316. I could have sworn I have heard on here that dds went all the way on the 316 to White City but this was during a diversion via the 228. Like when Grenfall was on fire and another time there were roadworks and the 316 was diverted via the 228 I could have heard that dds went all way to White City on the 316 during the diversion and the dds on 295 also went via the 228. Well re-routing it from Ladbroke Grove to White City via 52 then 31/94/148 means the residents who are so objected to 316 DDs can just not have it at all if they want to complain about deckers so much  |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 14, 2021 5:45:18 GMT
You could cut the 452 back to NHG and divert the 316 via the 52 maintaining capacity between Ladbroke Grove/Chamberlaye Road but removing some along Chambertaye Road itself, and then maybe even cut the 31 back aswell to NHG with the 316 replacing it to White City and maintaining the South Kilburn and Kilburn link to White City.
316 converts to DD which is needed alone for the round the corner Kilburn to Queen's Park section.
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Post by abellion on Sept 14, 2021 5:50:18 GMT
You could cut the 452 back to NHG and divert the 316 via the 52 maintaining capacity between Ladbroke Grove/Chamberlaye Road but removing some along Chambertaye Road itself, and then maybe even cut the 31 back aswell to NHG with the 316 replacing it to White City and maintaining the South Kilburn and Kilburn link to White City. 316 converts to DD which is needed alone for the round the corner Kilburn to Queen's Park section. Maybe leave the 31, since it links Harrow Rd/Elgin Avenue and Westbourne Park areas to White City/Shepherd's Bush |
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Post by redexpress on Sept 14, 2021 6:48:27 GMT
The campaign against the 316 on Royal Crescent was effectively a joint campaign with those objecting against the 228 on Ladbroke Grove (southern end). I suspect that if you tried to send a DD route down that section of Ladbroke Grove you would run into the same level of objection and we'd be back to square one.
A lot of these resident objections do get quietly "forgotten" over time but clearly the Royal Crescent objectors have more clout than most, as the DD ban seems to be rigorously enforced to this day. Same goes for the 184 DD ban on Alexandra Park Road.
Hmm maybe your right 🤔 I guess that the only option is to reroute the 316 to Notting Hill Gate via the 52 then via the 316. I could have sworn I have heard on here that dds went all the way on the 316 to White City but this was during a diversion via the 228. Like when Grenfall was on fire and another time there were roadworks and the 316 was diverted via the 228 I could have heard that dds went all way to White City on the 316 during the diversion and the dds on 295 also went via the 228. DDs have certainly been diverted down that part of Ladbroke Grove many times - I've been down there on a DD myself. There have been occasions when the 7, 23 and 52 were all sent that way! But I reckon the residents would complain if it were to be a permanent routeing. It's a shame because it's a perfectly suitable road for DDs in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 7:04:20 GMT
Hmm maybe your right 🤔 I guess that the only option is to reroute the 316 to Notting Hill Gate via the 52 then via the 316. I could have sworn I have heard on here that dds went all the way on the 316 to White City but this was during a diversion via the 228. Like when Grenfall was on fire and another time there were roadworks and the 316 was diverted via the 228 I could have heard that dds went all way to White City on the 316 during the diversion and the dds on 295 also went via the 228. DDs have certainly been diverted down that part of Ladbroke Grove many times - I've been down there on a DD myself. There have been occasions when the 7, 23 and 52 were all sent that way! But I reckon the residents would complain if it were to be a permanent routeing. It's a shame because it's a perfectly suitable road for DDs in my opinion.
I think the best thing to do is to swap the 316 and 228 routing between Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove, this causes minimal disruption because it means that no other routes have to be cut back |
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 14, 2021 10:43:35 GMT
It's mostly the rich ones who bleat the loudest  |
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Post by northken on Sept 16, 2021 5:55:45 GMT
DDs have certainly been diverted down that part of Ladbroke Grove many times - I've been down there on a DD myself. There have been occasions when the 7, 23 and 52 were all sent that way! But I reckon the residents would complain if it were to be a permanent routeing. It's a shame because it's a perfectly suitable road for DDs in my opinion.
I think the best thing to do is to swap the 316 and 228 routing between Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove, this causes minimal disruption because it means that no other routes have to be cut back I wouldn’t call a cut from 8 mins to every 20 mins minimal. The 316 is often heaving along the shared section with the 295 - how would the low frequency 228 cope? |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 5:58:28 GMT
I think the best thing to do is to swap the 316 and 228 routing between Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove, this causes minimal disruption because it means that no other routes have to be cut back I wouldn’t call a cut from 8 mins to every 20 mins minimal. The 316 is often heaving along the shared section with the 295 - how would the low frequency 228 cope? As double deckers on the 316 can’t go past North Kensington. What would you suggest would be the best option? |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 6:10:57 GMT
I guess the 316 could be withdrawn between Queen’s Park and Cricklewood to maintain links. Withdraw the 452 between Notting Hill Gate and Kensal Rise. Then create a new route running between Cricklewood and White City via 316 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s, 452 to Notting Hill Gate and 31 to White City using double deckers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 10:36:00 GMT
I think the best thing to do is to swap the 316 and 228 routing between Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove, this causes minimal disruption because it means that no other routes have to be cut back I wouldn’t call a cut from 8 mins to every 20 mins minimal. The 316 is often heaving along the shared section with the 295 - how would the low frequency 228 cope? Increase the frequency of the 228 or 295 if necessary |
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Post by northken on Sept 16, 2021 10:44:05 GMT
Whilst the current situation isn't perfect, I think it's best to leave things how they are. More peak time extras could be introduced on the 316, then there wouldn't be any need to tinker with any other routes.
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 16, 2021 11:11:28 GMT
I wouldn’t call a cut from 8 mins to every 20 mins minimal. The 316 is often heaving along the shared section with the 295 - how would the low frequency 228 cope? Increase the frequency of the 228 or 295 if necessary And how would you balance the cost of that? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 14:33:16 GMT
Increase the frequency of the 228 or 295 if necessary And how would you balance the cost of that? This might not be the most ideal idea cost wise, but I thought of putting extra workings on the 228 and 295 between White City or Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove/Maida Hill
The 228 would double in frequency between White City and Maida Hill with the rest staying the same. Not sure about the 295, but an alternative is to extend it to Queens Park
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 14:46:38 GMT
The 143 should also really be a candidate for DD. I think that part of North London could do with that, absolute frustration to use!
The 31 should really be restored to 8bph especially as the 148 has dropped in frequency and the 328 has also seen a drop in frequency.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 14:50:55 GMT
I wouldn’t call a cut from 8 mins to every 20 mins minimal. The 316 is often heaving along the shared section with the 295 - how would the low frequency 228 cope? Increase the frequency of the 228 or 295 if necessary Sorry but the 228 received a frequency drop recently, surely demand isn't needed throughout the whole route?
I would hope TFL co-operate with Royal Crescent residents with the problems they are finding and co-operate (as I've said not all problems lie with the buses, can be road issues) because the 316 has seen a really hefty increase in passengers in recent years.
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