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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 14:57:23 GMT
Increase the frequency of the 228 or 295 if necessary Sorry but the 228 received a frequency drop recently, surely demand isn't needed throughout the whole route?
I would hope TFL co-operate with Royal Crescent residents with the problems they are finding and co-operate (as I've said not all problems lie with the buses, can be road issues) because the 316 has seen a really hefty increase in passengers in recent years.
That's why I said introduce short workings on the route in addition to the current frequency. (Though this depends on what sections are the busiest) |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 14:59:43 GMT
Sorry but the 228 received a frequency drop recently, surely demand isn't needed throughout the whole route?
I would hope TFL co-operate with Royal Crescent residents with the problems they are finding and co-operate (as I've said not all problems lie with the buses, can be road issues) because the 316 has seen a really hefty increase in passengers in recent years.
That's why I said introduce short workings on the route in addition to the current frequency. (Though this depends on what sections are the busiest) Short workings wouldn't be effective on the 316 because the route is pretty hammered throughout the day and on the majority of the route. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 15:16:33 GMT
That's why I said introduce short workings on the route in addition to the current frequency. (Though this depends on what sections are the busiest) Short workings wouldn't be effective on the 316 because the route is pretty hammered throughout the day and on the majority of the route. No I meant either the 295 or 228, with the 316 operating via the 228's route via Holland Park, and to be converted to DD |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 15:28:06 GMT
The 143 should also really be a candidate for DD. I think that part of North London could do with that, absolute frustration to use! The 31 should really be restored to 8bph especially as the 148 has dropped in frequency and the 328 has also seen a drop in frequency. I think that the 143 is suffering the same problem and it’s the residents that prevent dds going on the full route. |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 15:30:03 GMT
And how would you balance the cost of that? This might not be the most ideal idea cost wise, but I thought of putting extra workings on the 228 and 295 between White City or Shepherds Bush and Ladbroke Grove/Maida Hill
The 228 would double in frequency between White City and Maida Hill with the rest staying the same. Not sure about the 295, but an alternative is to extend it to Queens Park
I guess that the 295 could do with a frequency increase didn’t it just have a frequency decrease recently. |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 15:32:39 GMT
Whilst the current situation isn't perfect, I think it's best to leave things how they are. More peak time extras could be introduced on the 316, then there wouldn't be any need to tinker with any other routes. Well you can’t do nothing. Or shall I say TfL can’t sit back and do nothing. You’ve or I mean TfL got to do something even if it means tinkering with the routes. The 316 can’t be left in its current state. |
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 16, 2021 15:39:58 GMT
The 143 should also really be a candidate for DD. I think that part of North London could do with that, absolute frustration to use! The 31 should really be restored to 8bph especially as the 148 has dropped in frequency and the 328 has also seen a drop in frequency. The busiest part of the 31 seems to be the Kilburn High Road to Camden Town section. Thought the cut to 6tph was drastic, even though the rest of the route is shared mostly by the 328. Another route isn't really viable so I agree with the restoration to 8bph (after the 148, 228 and 328 cuts). Imagine the time when the 28 was 7.5bph and the 31 and 328 were up to 10bph! Perhaps overbussed at the time... Not too familiar with the 316 - is it not more busy at the Cricklewood end? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 15:45:32 GMT
The 143 should also really be a candidate for DD. I think that part of North London could do with that, absolute frustration to use! The 31 should really be restored to 8bph especially as the 148 has dropped in frequency and the 328 has also seen a drop in frequency. I think that the 143 is suffering the same problem and it’s the residents that prevent dds going on the full route. To be honest the resident problems I can understand on the 143 however I think especially in a time where money constraints are tight I'd much rather some of the 143 school journeys chipped away at (the 643 I wouldn't purely on the basis that East End Road would lose a bus service down there overall) and the 143 decked as a whole. The 143 school journeys bar the 143D to and from Archway add very little in the way of support IMO |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 15:46:12 GMT
The 143 should also really be a candidate for DD. I think that part of North London could do with that, absolute frustration to use! The 31 should really be restored to 8bph especially as the 148 has dropped in frequency and the 328 has also seen a drop in frequency. The busiest part of the 31 seems to be the Kilburn High Road to Camden Town section. Thought the cut to 6tph was drastic, even though the rest of the route is shared mostly by the 328. Another route isn't really viable so I agree with the restoration to 8bph (after the 148, 228 and 328 cuts). Imagine the time when the 28 was 7.5bph and the 31 and 328 were up to 10bph! Perhaps overbussed at the time... Not too familiar with the 316 - is it not more busy at the Cricklewood end? The 316 is busy as a whole I meant and yes it is definitely busy at the Cricklewood end. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 15:49:08 GMT
Whilst the current situation isn't perfect, I think it's best to leave things how they are. More peak time extras could be introduced on the 316, then there wouldn't be any need to tinker with any other routes. Well you can’t do nothing. You’ve or I mean TfL got to do something even if it means tinkering with the routes. The 316 can’t be left in its current state. Nothing is impossible providing you get in touch. Though I imagine the residents will be tough cookies I think it could very well be possible to get them on board - how easily is another question.
For example, (I believe it was mentioned here) one of the great contributors here busoccultation managed to reverse the 128 changes in Romford.
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 15:49:29 GMT
I think that the 143 is suffering the same problem and it’s the residents that prevent dds going on the full route. To be honest the resident problems I can understand on the 143 however I think especially in a time where money constraints are tight I'd much rather some of the 143 school journeys chipped away at (the 643 I wouldn't purely on the basis that East End Road would lose a bus service down there overall) and the 143 decked as a whole. The 143 school journeys bar the 143D to and from Archway add very little in the way of support IMO What you would ignore the residents and convert the whole 143 anyway. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 15:54:50 GMT
To be honest the resident problems I can understand on the 143 however I think especially in a time where money constraints are tight I'd much rather some of the 143 school journeys chipped away at (the 643 I wouldn't purely on the basis that East End Road would lose a bus service down there overall) and the 143 decked as a whole. The 143 school journeys bar the 143D to and from Archway add very little in the way of support IMO What you would ignore the residents and convert the whole 143 anyway. I would listen to them and acknowledge concerns but again I think it's selfish that a group of residents decide the fate of a route. And removing the 143 from the Long Lane section would lose links to the Finchley Central High Road/the useful round the corner link onto Manor View/Long Lane would be an absolute travesty to the service.
Not particularly relevant here but I do actually wonder whether residents might've slightly changed their mind on the 143 being decked. The 143 has seen a new school added to it in the last 10 years and I believe after some research the catchment area is very much on the route.
I myself don't know the problems, however I can understand parked cars being an issue as well as perhaps some parts of the road does get narrow. This is one of the places I would really encourage to be yellow lined
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 17:43:51 GMT
What you would ignore the residents and convert the whole 143 anyway. I would listen to them and acknowledge concerns but again I think it's selfish that a group of residents decide the fate of a route. And removing the 143 from the Long Lane section would lose links to the Finchley Central High Road/the useful round the corner link onto Manor View/Long Lane would be an absolute travesty to the service.
Not particularly relevant here but I do actually wonder whether residents might've slightly changed their mind on the 143 being decked. The 143 has seen a new school added to it in the last 10 years and I believe after some research the catchment area is very much on the route.
I myself don't know the problems, however I can understand parked cars being an issue as well as perhaps some parts of the road does get narrow. This is one of the places I would really encourage to be yellow lined
So you would ignore the residents by double decking the 143 the full route. But what if residents decide to constantly block the roads the 143 and continuously disrupt the running of the 143. What then? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 17:51:35 GMT
I would listen to them and acknowledge concerns but again I think it's selfish that a group of residents decide the fate of a route. And removing the 143 from the Long Lane section would lose links to the Finchley Central High Road/the useful round the corner link onto Manor View/Long Lane would be an absolute travesty to the service.
Not particularly relevant here but I do actually wonder whether residents might've slightly changed their mind on the 143 being decked. The 143 has seen a new school added to it in the last 10 years and I believe after some research the catchment area is very much on the route.
I myself don't know the problems, however I can understand parked cars being an issue as well as perhaps some parts of the road does get narrow. This is one of the places I would really encourage to be yellow lined
So you would ignore the residents by double decking the 143 the full route. But what if residents decide to constantly block the roads the 143 and continuously disrupt the running of the 143. What then? Blocking the highway is an illegal offence |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 18:00:05 GMT
So you would ignore the residents by double decking the 143 the full route. But what if residents decide to constantly block the roads the 143 and continuously disrupt the running of the 143. What then? Blocking the highway is an illegal offence That won’t stop people I am afraid from blocking the road. |
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