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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 20:39:37 GMT
Blocking the highway is an illegal offence I think we've seen in the last few weeks that when it comes to protests, there's a lot of leeway given on this point (too much to my mind, but there we are). I think there's an issue of good faith too: if you've introduced a route on the promise of no DDs, going back on it with a 'yah boo sucks' attitude makes it a lot harder for people to trust you in future. People will quite rightly not accept similar assurances again. If you can get broad agreement to the change, then fair enough, but acting unilaterally will backfire. Working unilaterally is one of the worst things a board can do so obviously communication is key |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 21:13:19 GMT
What's really frustrating about this whole debacle is that Royal Crescent is a tiny section of the 316 route, and one which is also served by multiple other routes (as it feeds on to Holland Park Avenue). Their stubbornness regarding the 316 doesn't affect them all that much as they have other routes to choose from, plus Shepherds Bush Station a few minutes away. They aren't taking into account the other sections of the 316 route that desperately need a double deck service. Besides, Holland Park Avenue is literally right there and that has constant traffic all day every day so this whole thing seems ridiculous and unreasonable. In my view, swapping the 228 and 316's routings is not the right answer, and neither is taking away the 316 to "get back" at the residents. The only solution for me is that TFL have to engage with the residents and have to sort it out, whether it be through the council or direct interaction. If TFL create a solid argument, describing the capacity problems across the route and even explaining the proximity of Holland Park Avenue to their own houses, then hopefully the residents will fold and double deckers can be used on the entire route. If the residents stay as they are there's really nothing else you can do in my view. Increase the frequency and PVR of the 316 and pile more single deckers on it. I don't want to sound like I'm demeaning the residents cause because I'm not but what can they realistically do if you put double deckers out on the route full time. Like I said protest and disrupt the service or ringing a MP who will tell TfL not to send double deckers down that route is what the residents can do. |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 21:17:34 GMT
What's really frustrating about this whole debacle is that Royal Crescent is a tiny section of the 316 route, and one which is also served by multiple other routes (as it feeds on to Holland Park Avenue). Their stubbornness regarding the 316 doesn't affect them all that much as they have other routes to choose from, plus Shepherds Bush Station a few minutes away. They aren't taking into account the other sections of the 316 route that desperately need a double deck service. Besides, Holland Park Avenue is literally right there and that has constant traffic all day every day so this whole thing seems ridiculous and unreasonable. In my view, swapping the 228 and 316's routings is not the right answer, and neither is taking away the 316 to "get back" at the residents. The only solution for me is that TFL have to engage with the residents and have to sort it out, whether it be through the council or direct interaction. If TFL create a solid argument, describing the capacity problems across the route and even explaining the proximity of Holland Park Avenue to their own houses, then hopefully the residents will fold and double deckers can be used on the entire route. If the residents stay as they are there's really nothing else you can do in my view. Increase the frequency and PVR of the 316 and pile more single deckers on it. Or you withdraw the 316 between Queen’s Park or Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and Cricklewood. Increase the 316s frequency. Create a new route that uses double deckers running between Cricklewood and White City via route 316 to Ladbroke Grove Sainsbury’s and 228 to White City or 452 to Notting Hill Gate and route 31 to White City. Or order full size single deckers that’s if they can get around the route. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 21:30:18 GMT
I don't want to sound like I'm demeaning the residents cause because I'm not but what can they realistically do if you put double deckers out on the route full time. Like I said protest and disrupt the service or ringing a MP who will tell TfL not to send double deckers down that route is what the residents can do. Credibility = 0 after that point. |
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Post by COBO on Sept 16, 2021 21:33:27 GMT
Like I said protest and disrupt the service or ringing a MP who will tell TfL not to send double deckers down that route is what the residents can do. Credibility = 0 after that point. What do you mean? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 16, 2021 21:54:38 GMT
Credibility = 0 after that point. What do you mean? Their credibility would likely drop at that point because it shows that if they do take to physical protesting like disrupting the service it shows they are extremely self centred and aren't seeing the wider picture. |
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