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Post by lb99 on Sept 13, 2021 14:21:11 GMT
Been reading the ideas on here and on the withdrawn thread and i have to say its pretty interesting.. If this was to Goahead would this require a higher PVR for the route? if so maybe 355s Streetlites would be good candidates if that gets decked seeing as MB has alot of the type.
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Post by bustavane on Sept 13, 2021 14:34:31 GMT
The rumour I heard was that the B14 would be cut back to QMH given the duplication beyond there to Orpington and the ample capacity offered by the high frequency R11. I'd lay money on my one being true. Heard something similar about this... Wonder if this will go ahead although it would cost the Orpington-Bexleyheath bus link. I do wonder if there's any real demand for a Bexleyheath-Orpington link. Most users of the B14 I know use it for short journeys, and if you want to go from Bexleyheath to Orpington (or vice versa), surely 229/269 to Sidcup and 51 to Orpington is much more frequent and thus much more reliable. A Bexleyheath-Orpington service via North Cray Road, Sevenoaks Way and Cray Avenue misses most travel objectives. |
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 13, 2021 14:40:51 GMT
Heard something similar about this... Wonder if this will go ahead although it would cost the Orpington-Bexleyheath bus link. I do wonder if there's any real demand for a Bexleyheath-Orpington link. Most users of the B14 I know use it for short journeys, and if you want to go from Bexleyheath to Orpington (or vice versa), surely 229/269 to Sidcup and 51 to Orpington is much more frequent and thus much more reliable. A Bexleyheath-Orpington service via North Cray Road, Sevenoaks Way and Cray Avenue misses most travel objectives. Yes that routeing would only really work if it were part of a longer express route (a la X26), possibly between Bromley and Bluewater. |
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Post by busman on Sept 13, 2021 15:05:07 GMT
I do wonder if there's any real demand for a Bexleyheath-Orpington link. Most users of the B14 I know use it for short journeys, and if you want to go from Bexleyheath to Orpington (or vice versa), surely 229/269 to Sidcup and 51 to Orpington is much more frequent and thus much more reliable. A Bexleyheath-Orpington service via North Cray Road, Sevenoaks Way and Cray Avenue misses most travel objectives. Yes that routeing would only really work if it were part of a longer express route (a la X26), possibly between Bromley and Bluewater. I had a suggestion to have the B11 do that route between Bexleyheath and Orpington once it gets cut back to Thamesmead East, serving Foots Cray Tesco between Ruxley Corner and Sevenoaks Road. The routeing is more suitable for a low frequency single deck. The demand for a more direct Orpington to Bexleyheath link is a bit of an unknown. I suspect that journey is done by many cars each day, along with Orpington to parts of Sidcup not served by the 51. |
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Post by buspete on Sept 16, 2021 1:54:05 GMT
Sounds like to be a bad rumour, in Orpington Garage then.
Thinking of it, if the R11 run Green Street Green to Bexleyheath at the current 5 buses per hour. So would the saving from not running the B14 make up for the 3 extra buses an hour between Sidcup and Bexleyheath? Maybe possible to have 6 buses an hour, to make up for the loss of B14 in the St Mary’s Cray area.
I would suggest the link between Sidcup and Queen Mary’s Hospital will be lost. The hospital is a lot smaller than it was 10 years ago.
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Post by someone on Sept 17, 2021 18:28:04 GMT
A member of my family have been told by someone that works for Orpington Buses the old Metrobus company, that bus route B14 is going to be scrapped and the R11 extended to Bexleyheath instead. Has anyone heard this as well? Or is it just a well a rumour? I wonder if it will be reumbered to the B14? |
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Post by buspete on Sept 19, 2021 19:36:13 GMT
It could be renumbered B14, saves the confusion having a R1 & R11 and a empty route number between B13 & B15.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 19, 2021 20:22:10 GMT
It could be renumbered B14, saves the confusion having a R1 & R11 and a empty route number between B13 & B15. E1 and E11 manage fine so why wouldn't R1 and R11? Has anyone heard of an H21? Or a U8? Empty route numbers are fine. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 19, 2021 20:27:14 GMT
It could be renumbered B14, saves the confusion having a R1 & R11 and a empty route number between B13 & B15. E1 and E11 manage fine so why wouldn't R1 and R11? Has anyone heard of an H21? Or a U8? Empty route numbers are fine. They are more established it could be argued |
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Post by paulo on Sept 19, 2021 21:23:11 GMT
E1 and E11 manage fine so why wouldn't R1 and R11? Has anyone heard of an H21? Or a U8? Empty route numbers are fine. They are more established it could be argued There was a H21 many moons ago…. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Sept 20, 2021 16:54:53 GMT
E1 and E11 manage fine so why wouldn't R1 and R11? Has anyone heard of an H21? Or a U8? Empty route numbers are fine. They are more established it could be argued E11 is quite new iirc. Or were you talking about the other point? |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Sept 20, 2021 17:46:14 GMT
They are more established it could be argued E11 is quite new iirc. Or were you talking about the other point? I'll accept defeat on that then! Yes was only made in 2002 after a bit of research  |
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Post by rugbyref on Sept 30, 2021 8:12:13 GMT
It could be renumbered B14, saves the confusion having a R1 & R11 and a empty route number between B13 & B15. E1 and E11 manage fine so why wouldn't R1 and R11? Has anyone heard of an H21? Or a U8? Empty route numbers are fine. The problem with R1 and R11 is that both head for Green Street Green, but by very different pathways. You regularly have people boarding the wrong route in Orpington High Street, especially for those heading to Orpington Hospital who are not au fait with these 2 routes. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 30, 2021 8:22:51 GMT
E1 and E11 manage fine so why wouldn't R1 and R11? Has anyone heard of an H21? Or a U8? Empty route numbers are fine. The problem with R1 and R11 is that both head for Green Street Green, but by very different pathways. You regularly have people boarding the wrong route in Orpington High Street, especially for those heading to Orpington Hospital who are not au fait with these 2 routes. I've often seen people getting on the wrong bus on the R1/11. Might be better if the Green Street Green end was changed into a circular route with the R1 going one way round and the R11 renumbered R12 going the other way round. It would also give Chelsfield a direct link into the hospital. |
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Post by danorak on Sept 30, 2021 14:41:45 GMT
E1 and E11 manage fine so why wouldn't R1 and R11? Has anyone heard of an H21? Or a U8? Empty route numbers are fine. The problem with R1 and R11 is that both head for Green Street Green, but by very different pathways. You regularly have people boarding the wrong route in Orpington High Street, especially for those heading to Orpington Hospital who are not au fait with these 2 routes. I could never understand why the R1 number was retained in 2001 when the route was radically changed around St Pauls Cray, the Bromley Common section was lost and it replaced the R3 through Chelsfield. It was almost an entirely different route. |
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