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Post by buspete on Sept 11, 2021 17:24:06 GMT
A member of my family have been told by someone that works for Orpington Buses the old Metrobus company, that bus route B14 is going to be scrapped and the R11 extended to Bexleyheath instead.
Has anyone heard this as well? Or is it just a well a rumour?
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 11, 2021 17:31:00 GMT
A member of my family have been told by someone that works for Orpington Buses the old Metrobus company, that bus route B14 is going to be scrapped and the R11 extended to Bexleyheath instead. Has anyone heard this as well? Or is it just a well a rumour? I've not heard this. It sounds like an item from one of this Forum's endless speculation threads! It would probably have gone out for consultation if it was likely to happen |
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R11/B14
Sept 11, 2021 17:44:17 GMT
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 11, 2021 17:44:17 GMT
The two routes operate at very different frequencies, so extending the more frequent R11 to Bexleyheath would require a higher PVR which seems unlikely in the current circumstances. Secondly the R11 would have to do a double run to serve Queen Mary’s Hospital, which would be time consuming.
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Post by greenboy on Sept 11, 2021 19:17:36 GMT
A member of my family have been told by someone that works for Orpington Buses the old Metrobus company, that bus route B14 is going to be scrapped and the R11 extended to Bexleyheath instead. Has anyone heard this as well? Or is it just a well a rumour? Sounds unlikely on the face of it, different frequencies and different operators at the moment but I wouldn't totally rule it out. |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 11, 2021 19:27:59 GMT
A member of my family have been told by someone that works for Orpington Buses the old Metrobus company, that bus route B14 is going to be scrapped and the R11 extended to Bexleyheath instead. Has anyone heard this as well? Or is it just a well a rumour? The rumour I heard was that the B14 would be cut back to QMH given the duplication beyond there to Orpington and the ample capacity offered by the high frequency R11. I'd lay money on my one being true. |
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Sept 11, 2021 19:32:22 GMT
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Post by danorak on Sept 11, 2021 19:32:22 GMT
A member of my family have been told by someone that works for Orpington Buses the old Metrobus company, that bus route B14 is going to be scrapped and the R11 extended to Bexleyheath instead. Has anyone heard this as well? Or is it just a well a rumour? The rumour I heard was that the B14 would be cut back to QMH given the duplication beyond there to Orpington and the ample capacity offered by the high frequency R11. I'd lay money on my one being true. Just came on to post the same! The B14's reliability (or lack of it) often comes up in Bexley Council's transport scrutiny meetings so the loss of the Orpington section would be no surprise. |
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Sept 11, 2021 19:39:28 GMT
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Post by greenboy on Sept 11, 2021 19:39:28 GMT
The rumour I heard was that the B14 would be cut back to QMH given the duplication beyond there to Orpington and the ample capacity offered by the high frequency R11. I'd lay money on my one being true. Just came on to post the same! The B14's reliability (or lack of it) often comes up in Bexley Council's transport scrutiny meetings so the loss of the Orpington section would be no surprise. Actually I've heard that as well, how true it is I don't know but it would leave the B14 a bit remote from TB. Maybe the merger with the R11 is something else that's being considered? |
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Post by lb99 on Sept 11, 2021 20:24:24 GMT
A member of my family have been told by someone that works for Orpington Buses the old Metrobus company, that bus route B14 is going to be scrapped and the R11 extended to Bexleyheath instead. Has anyone heard this as well? Or is it just a well a rumour? The rumour I heard was that the B14 would be cut back to QMH given the duplication beyond there to Orpington and the ample capacity offered by the high frequency R11. I'd lay money on my one being true. Heard something similar about this... Wonder if this will go ahead although it would cost the Orpington-Bexleyheath bus link. |
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R11/B14
Sept 11, 2021 20:54:03 GMT
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 11, 2021 20:54:03 GMT
The rumour I heard was that the B14 would be cut back to QMH given the duplication beyond there to Orpington and the ample capacity offered by the high frequency R11. I'd lay money on my one being true. Heard something similar about this... Wonder if this will go ahead although it would cost the Orpington-Bexleyheath bus link. If true then Bromley not doing too well in terms of TfL resource saving! However at x30 mins, it is almost always going to be quicker to change at Sidcup than wait for a direct Orpington to Bexleyheath bus on the B14 route. The stopping arrangements in Sidcup probably don’t help with buses towards Orpington on routes B14 and R11 serving stops on different sides of the High Street, so passengers probably gravitate towards the more frequent R11 stops. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 11, 2021 21:21:00 GMT
Heard something similar about this... Wonder if this will go ahead although it would cost the Orpington-Bexleyheath bus link. If true then Bromley not doing too well in terms of TfL resource saving! However at x30 mins, it is almost always going to be quicker to change at Sidcup than wait for a direct Orpington to Bexleyheath bus on the B14 route. The stopping arrangements in Sidcup probably don’t help with buses towards Orpington on routes B14 and R11 serving stops on different sides of the High Street, so passengers probably gravitate towards the more frequent R11 stops. A few people on here more knowledgeable than me have suggested in the past for a more direct and frequent Orpington to Bexleyheath link which makes sense personally. The current B14, whilst useful, does seem to be trying to do too many things at once from an outsiders point of view. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Sept 11, 2021 23:13:17 GMT
If true then Bromley not doing too well in terms of TfL resource saving! However at x30 mins, it is almost always going to be quicker to change at Sidcup than wait for a direct Orpington to Bexleyheath bus on the B14 route. The stopping arrangements in Sidcup probably don’t help with buses towards Orpington on routes B14 and R11 serving stops on different sides of the High Street, so passengers probably gravitate towards the more frequent R11 stops. A few people on here more knowledgeable than me have suggested in the past for a more direct and frequent Orpington to Bexleyheath link which makes sense personally. The current B14, whilst useful, does seem to be trying to do too many things at once from an outsiders point of view. Yes, I can see the logic for a direct Orpington to Bexleyheath route but it would be expensive to resource at an attractive enough frequency and I agree that the B14 is probably not the right fit. |
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Post by busman on Sept 12, 2021 3:29:58 GMT
Heard something similar about this... Wonder if this will go ahead although it would cost the Orpington-Bexleyheath bus link. If true then Bromley not doing too well in terms of TfL resource saving! However at x30 mins, it is almost always going to be quicker to change at Sidcup than wait for a direct Orpington to Bexleyheath bus on the B14 route. The stopping arrangements in Sidcup probably don’t help with buses towards Orpington on routes B14 and R11 serving stops on different sides of the High Street, so passengers probably gravitate towards the more frequent R11 stops. The low frequency and unreliability means that the B14 simply isn’t an option for me. It provides some useful links, but in the end it’s easier to catch a 229 or 269 to Sidcup or drive. A merger with the R11 would be most welcome as having buses at higher frequencies would improve things at the B14 end of the route. However, I really can’t see TfL going for that option in their current financial predicament. It would require more buses particularly during evenings and Sundays. A cut back to QMH would make sense, but only if it results in improved frequency and reliability on the remainder of the B14. |
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Post by lonmark on Sept 12, 2021 6:55:33 GMT
One problem is, R11 doesn't go via Orpington Station from St Mary's Cray area while B14 does go to Orpington Staiton! however, I know R1 does go via Orpington Station on part of St Mary's Cray.
I know most of the time, passengers always get off from bus R11 in Orpington high street and wait for any other buses go to Orpington Station.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2021 22:12:01 GMT
If true then Bromley not doing too well in terms of TfL resource saving! However at x30 mins, it is almost always going to be quicker to change at Sidcup than wait for a direct Orpington to Bexleyheath bus on the B14 route. The stopping arrangements in Sidcup probably don’t help with buses towards Orpington on routes B14 and R11 serving stops on different sides of the High Street, so passengers probably gravitate towards the more frequent R11 stops. A few people on here more knowledgeable than me have suggested in the past for a more direct and frequent Orpington to Bexleyheath link which makes sense personally. The current B14, whilst useful, does seem to be trying to do too many things at once from an outsiders point of view. Via Sevenoaks Way (51 routing) to Foots Cray then via North Cray Road would be the most direct route. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 12, 2021 23:09:05 GMT
A few people on here more knowledgeable than me have suggested in the past for a more direct and frequent Orpington to Bexleyheath link which makes sense personally. The current B14, whilst useful, does seem to be trying to do too many things at once from an outsiders point of view. Via Sevenoaks Way (51 routing) to Foots Cray then via North Cray Road would be the most direct route. I've put an idea relating to it in the withdrawn thread if your interested in taking a look and/or commenting  |
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