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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 21, 2022 10:34:42 GMT
What a moron Would gladly vote against this guy if I had a better choice. Think this is more scaremongering / grandstanding but if he means this there will be very heavy opposition to it. Will the guy give up his own diesel consuming entourage? Or is it another case of one rule for us, one rule for them? I'm sure he'd happily give up his diesel entourage. He said at a fringe talk, reported in news outlets (which I was present at) that he was strongly against having a security detail and preferred to go by Tube to work and not have a police detail. But the Range Rover he travels in is provided by the Met Police as part of his security arrangement, not his own personal car. You'd have to contact Cressida D*ck if you wanted that changed But then his own personal car is a VW Golf, and it is not electric |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 25, 2022 18:34:11 GMT
Truly, I do see that but it's not so much about the environment. Another thing, it brings down road accidents as taxi and bus drivers are trained by a company to drive to certain standards, but this isn't the case for personal drivers. Are you saying bus / taxi drivers never have accidents? The first black cab ride I took - the guy didn’t know where Westbourne studios was (knowledge?), I had to show it to him on the map. Hit the pavement once while driving, went through a red light, actually touched “kissed” a pedestrian trying to cross the road. I was literally praying through the journey Don’t forget the bridge strikes. Oh yes that was caused by an untrained car driver PS - I love buses and use them fairly extensively (did 200+ end to ends in 2019!) but everything has a place. The average car owner isn’t bill gates to keep funding sadiq’s ill thought out plans One of the aims of road pricing schemes is that the reduction of traffic as a result of it will lead to less accidents. But as you say, anyone could have an accident so this doesn't prevent them completely. |
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 25, 2022 19:20:11 GMT
Funnily enough I was studying road pricing today in University. From what I've read, the new policy that Khan is proposing is extremely unpopular with car users on here which is to be expected, as the aim of this policy after all is to force a modal shift from the car to buses and other public transport which in turn will slow the growth of climate change. It's also a method of getting revenue back into TfL which is badly needed at the moment and the only way of doing this is to have more people using public transport where possible. I'm usually one of Khan's biggest critics but I am in favour of this policy. One thing I don't quite understand is how far this scheme will extend to, would it extend to areas such as Croydon in Zones 4-6? To make this policy work however, the transport system needs to be able to cope with it and become more frequent, and that's the problem with this proposal. It's common knowledge that London's transport network is the best in the country which it has to be for the country's biggest city (stating the obvious here I know), but cutting bus and rail services which is what's going on at the moment will simply push people away from using the system and back into cars and that goes completely against Khan's aim. Cutting bus services has to end because it'll simply create more overcrowding and the opposite needs to happen in order for it to work effectively. Outer suburban bus routes in particular should see an increase in services where possible if TfL expect people to be attracted to use public transport. TfL however have been extremely poor at marketing bus services in recent years to those who drive regularly, take the poor attempt at branding the new 63 MMC's for example - they could do so much better than just having "I am an electric bus", anyone could do that and I personally don't see that attracting new passengers. Why not take the opportunity to use the new features they have as a selling point to attract people to use the bus? Yes I know all this costs money which is something TfL doesn't really have at the moment but investing more into frequent public transport services instead of cutting them will go a long way in causing a modal shift. Particularly so in areas which currently have poor transport provision like Downe where a lot of people, including myself, have to drive there. If the 146 had a frequency increase to 2bph and was well publicised within the village (it's a close knit community there), that would surely see an increase in demand for it, particularly for those looking to get to the station. Some could also argue that this is an attack on the poorest who feel they won't be able to afford to drive their cars anymore but public transport in London is amongst the cheapest in the country at the moment and using public transport could well work out cheaper in the long run when you consider fuel costs and servicing your car. Yes I do agree that it's unfair to charge people who are going to do their weekly shops which is what you'd need a car for, particularly if you live in a large household, but the charge is the same as a bus fare so ultimately it doesn't make much of a difference. Plus most people use food delivery services, but that opens up a whole different can of worms so I shall leave it there...but my conclusion is that this is a good measure, but in order for it to work public transport needs to work with it (You can tell I've been paying attention in my lectures  ) |
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Post by ronnie on Jan 25, 2022 20:29:25 GMT
Funnily enough I was studying road pricing today in University. From what I've read, the new policy that Khan is proposing is extremely unpopular with car users on here which is to be expected, as the aim of this policy after all is to force a modal shift from the car to buses and other public transport which in turn will slow the growth of climate change. It's also a method of getting revenue back into TfL which is badly needed at the moment and the only way of doing this is to have more people using public transport where possible. I'm usually one of Khan's biggest critics but I am in favour of this policy. One thing I don't quite understand is how far this scheme will extend to, would it extend to areas such as Croydon in Zones 4-6? To make this policy work however, the transport system needs to be able to cope with it and become more frequent, and that's the problem with this proposal. It's common knowledge that London's transport network is the best in the country which it has to be for the country's biggest city (stating the obvious here I know), but cutting bus and rail services which is what's going on at the moment will simply push people away from using the system and back into cars and that goes completely against Khan's aim. Cutting bus services has to end because it'll simply create more overcrowding and the opposite needs to happen in order for it to work effectively. Outer suburban bus routes in particular should see an increase in services where possible if TfL expect people to be attracted to use public transport. TfL however have been extremely poor at marketing bus services in recent years to those who drive regularly, take the poor attempt at branding the new 63 MMC's for example - they could do so much better than just having "I am an electric bus", anyone could do that and I personally don't see that attracting new passengers. Why not take the opportunity to use the new features they have as a selling point to attract people to use the bus? Yes I know all this costs money which is something TfL doesn't really have at the moment but investing more into frequent public transport services instead of cutting them will go a long way in causing a modal shift. Particularly so in areas which currently have poor transport provision like Downe where a lot of people, including myself, have to drive there. If the 146 had a frequency increase to 2bph and was well publicised within the village (it's a close knit community there), that would surely see an increase in demand for it, particularly for those looking to get to the station. Some could also argue that this is an attack on the poorest who feel they won't be able to afford to drive their cars anymore but public transport in London is amongst the cheapest in the country at the moment and using public transport could well work out cheaper in the long run when you consider fuel costs and servicing your car. Yes I do agree that it's unfair to charge people who are going to do their weekly shops which is what you'd need a car for, particularly if you live in a large household, but the charge is the same as a bus fare so ultimately it doesn't make much of a difference. Plus most people use food delivery services, but that opens up a whole different can of worms so I shall leave it there...but my conclusion is that this is a good measure, but in order for it to work public transport needs to work with it (You can tell I've been paying attention in my lectures ) Plus don’t forget online shopping, Amazon deliveries, grocery deliveries etc will all become expensive which will hit everyone Somewhat perversely if I have to pay £2 each time I bring out the car I may as well use the car for everything that day. At least that’s what I do if I have to drive within the congestion zone to get “value for money”. One may see an actual increase in car usage! |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 25, 2022 20:37:18 GMT
Funnily enough I was studying road pricing today in University. From what I've read, the new policy that Khan is proposing is extremely unpopular with car users on here which is to be expected, as the aim of this policy after all is to force a modal shift from the car to buses and other public transport which in turn will slow the growth of climate change. It's also a method of getting revenue back into TfL which is badly needed at the moment and the only way of doing this is to have more people using public transport where possible. I'm usually one of Khan's biggest critics but I am in favour of this policy. One thing I don't quite understand is how far this scheme will extend to, would it extend to areas such as Croydon in Zones 4-6? To make this policy work however, the transport system needs to be able to cope with it and become more frequent, and that's the problem with this proposal. It's common knowledge that London's transport network is the best in the country which it has to be for the country's biggest city (stating the obvious here I know), but cutting bus and rail services which is what's going on at the moment will simply push people away from using the system and back into cars and that goes completely against Khan's aim. Cutting bus services has to end because it'll simply create more overcrowding and the opposite needs to happen in order for it to work effectively. Outer suburban bus routes in particular should see an increase in services where possible if TfL expect people to be attracted to use public transport. TfL however have been extremely poor at marketing bus services in recent years to those who drive regularly, take the poor attempt at branding the new 63 MMC's for example - they could do so much better than just having "I am an electric bus", anyone could do that and I personally don't see that attracting new passengers. Why not take the opportunity to use the new features they have as a selling point to attract people to use the bus? Yes I know all this costs money which is something TfL doesn't really have at the moment but investing more into frequent public transport services instead of cutting them will go a long way in causing a modal shift. Particularly so in areas which currently have poor transport provision like Downe where a lot of people, including myself, have to drive there. If the 146 had a frequency increase to 2bph and was well publicised within the village (it's a close knit community there), that would surely see an increase in demand for it, particularly for those looking to get to the station. Some could also argue that this is an attack on the poorest who feel they won't be able to afford to drive their cars anymore but public transport in London is amongst the cheapest in the country at the moment and using public transport could well work out cheaper in the long run when you consider fuel costs and servicing your car. Yes I do agree that it's unfair to charge people who are going to do their weekly shops which is what you'd need a car for, particularly if you live in a large household, but the charge is the same as a bus fare so ultimately it doesn't make much of a difference. Plus most people use food delivery services, but that opens up a whole different can of worms so I shall leave it there...but my conclusion is that this is a good measure, but in order for it to work public transport needs to work with it (You can tell I've been paying attention in my lectures ) Plus don’t forget online shopping, Amazon deliveries, grocery deliveries etc will all become expensive which will hit everyone Somewhat perversely if I have to pay £2 each time I bring out the car I may as well use the car for everything that day. At least that’s what I do if I have to drive within the congestion zone to get “value for money”. One may see an actual increase in car usage! I see all these online firms like drug dealers they get people hocked and then once there is nowhere left to go the delivery prices will go up. The latest thing is grocery deliveries in 10 mins! |
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Post by ronnie on Jan 25, 2022 21:59:29 GMT
Plus don’t forget online shopping, Amazon deliveries, grocery deliveries etc will all become expensive which will hit everyone Somewhat perversely if I have to pay £2 each time I bring out the car I may as well use the car for everything that day. At least that’s what I do if I have to drive within the congestion zone to get “value for money”. One may see an actual increase in car usage! I see all these online firms like drug dealers they get people hocked and then once there is nowhere left to go the delivery prices will go up. The latest thing is grocery deliveries in 10 mins! Given that the tech companies are already spying on us I am surprised my groceries don’t turn up at my door while I am thinking about them! |
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Post by MKAY315 on Jan 25, 2022 22:20:46 GMT
I see all these online firms like drug dealers they get people hocked and then once there is nowhere left to go the delivery prices will go up. The latest thing is grocery deliveries in 10 mins! Given that the tech companies are already spying on us I am surprised my groceries don’t turn up at my door while I am thinking about them! 😂😂😂😂 I wouldn't be surprised if they made something that could occur in reality |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 27, 2022 23:43:57 GMT
Funnily enough I was studying road pricing today in University. From what I've read, the new policy that Khan is proposing is extremely unpopular with car users on here which is to be expected, as the aim of this policy after all is to force a modal shift from the car to buses and other public transport which in turn will slow the growth of climate change. It's also a method of getting revenue back into TfL which is badly needed at the moment and the only way of doing this is to have more people using public transport where possible. I'm usually one of Khan's biggest critics but I am in favour of this policy. One thing I don't quite understand is how far this scheme will extend to, would it extend to areas such as Croydon in Zones 4-6? To make this policy work however, the transport system needs to be able to cope with it and become more frequent, and that's the problem with this proposal. It's common knowledge that London's transport network is the best in the country which it has to be for the country's biggest city (stating the obvious here I know), but cutting bus and rail services which is what's going on at the moment will simply push people away from using the system and back into cars and that goes completely against Khan's aim. Cutting bus services has to end because it'll simply create more overcrowding and the opposite needs to happen in order for it to work effectively. Outer suburban bus routes in particular should see an increase in services where possible if TfL expect people to be attracted to use public transport. TfL however have been extremely poor at marketing bus services in recent years to those who drive regularly, take the poor attempt at branding the new 63 MMC's for example - they could do so much better than just having "I am an electric bus", anyone could do that and I personally don't see that attracting new passengers. Why not take the opportunity to use the new features they have as a selling point to attract people to use the bus? Yes I know all this costs money which is something TfL doesn't really have at the moment but investing more into frequent public transport services instead of cutting them will go a long way in causing a modal shift. Particularly so in areas which currently have poor transport provision like Downe where a lot of people, including myself, have to drive there. If the 146 had a frequency increase to 2bph and was well publicised within the village (it's a close knit community there), that would surely see an increase in demand for it, particularly for those looking to get to the station. Some could also argue that this is an attack on the poorest who feel they won't be able to afford to drive their cars anymore but public transport in London is amongst the cheapest in the country at the moment and using public transport could well work out cheaper in the long run when you consider fuel costs and servicing your car. Yes I do agree that it's unfair to charge people who are going to do their weekly shops which is what you'd need a car for, particularly if you live in a large household, but the charge is the same as a bus fare so ultimately it doesn't make much of a difference. Plus most people use food delivery services, but that opens up a whole different can of worms so I shall leave it there...but my conclusion is that this is a good measure, but in order for it to work public transport needs to work with it (You can tell I've been paying attention in my lectures ) What they fail to take in account for, is that the next step what people are doing is NOT a modal shift, but a shift out of London completely. The clown Khan does not seem to realise that, you cannot force people to use public transport and they would just all-together move out. |
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