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Post by busman on Jan 18, 2022 17:00:19 GMT
Our hapless mayor now has ideas to charge people £2 a day for driving in Greater London and TfL are to consult on this ridiculous idea. Conveniently disguised as helping the government meet its environmental goals (as if Khan is ever concerned with helping the government), this is nothing more than a tax that will disproportionately impact the poorest, as well as businesses on the outer boroughs of Greater London. This is on top of the eye watering council tax increases we are facing. High rise poor quality claustrophobic housing owned by rich Asian investors, road works everywhere and road infrastructure being deployed all over the place creating traffic jams and wasting money. Can’t wait to see the back of this mayor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60030127.amp |
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 18, 2022 17:27:15 GMT
Our hapless mayor now has ideas to charge people £2 a day for driving in Greater London and TfL are to consult on this ridiculous idea. Conveniently disguised as helping the government meet its environmental goals (as if Khan is ever concerned with helping the government), this is nothing more than a tax that will disproportionately impact the poorest, as well as businesses on the outer boroughs of Greater London. This is on top of the eye watering council tax increases we are facing. High rise poor quality claustrophobic housing owned by rich Asian investors, road works everywhere and road infrastructure being deployed all over the place creating traffic jams and wasting money. Can’t wait to see the back of this mayor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60030127.ampSo gone from just charging those wanting to enter London to everyone driving within London. All those against the original proposal ... it just got worse! Judging by Croydon Council and Mayor Khan, Labour's latest philosophy seems to be screw the worker for every hard earnt penny they can. |
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Post by ronnie on Jan 18, 2022 18:45:43 GMT
What a moron
Would gladly vote against this guy if I had a better choice. Think this is more scaremongering / grandstanding but if he means this there will be very heavy opposition to it.
Will the guy give up his own diesel consuming entourage? Or is it another case of one rule for us, one rule for them?
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Post by TB123 on Jan 18, 2022 18:50:17 GMT
What a moron Would gladly vote against this guy if I had a better choice. Think this is more scaremongering / grandstanding but if he means this there will be very heavy opposition to it. Will the guy give up his own diesel consuming entourage? Or is it another case of one rule for us, one rule for them? I'm sure he'd happily give up his diesel entourage. He said at a fringe talk, reported in news outlets (which I was present at) that he was strongly against having a security detail and preferred to go by Tube to work and not have a police detail. But the Range Rover he travels in is provided by the Met Police as part of his security arrangement, not his own personal car. You'd have to contact Cressida D*ck if you wanted that changed |
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Post by ronnie on Jan 18, 2022 19:12:08 GMT
What a moron Would gladly vote against this guy if I had a better choice. Think this is more scaremongering / grandstanding but if he means this there will be very heavy opposition to it. Will the guy give up his own diesel consuming entourage? Or is it another case of one rule for us, one rule for them? I'm sure he'd happily give up his diesel entourage. He said at a fringe talk, reported in news outlets (which I was present at) that he was strongly against having a security detail and preferred to go by Tube to work and not have a police detail. But the Range Rover he travels in is provided by the Met Police as part of his security arrangement, not his own personal car. You'd have to contact Cressida D*ck if you wanted that changed All faff … he can CHOOSE to opt out and use the tube (or cycle in December to his office or why not walk!). Previous mayors (including the rightly maligned BoJo and a variety of other politicians have used the tube so what’s stopping him from leading from the front and setting an example? It’s all about money ultimately and less caring for the environment |
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Post by TB123 on Jan 18, 2022 19:25:42 GMT
I'm sure he'd happily give up his diesel entourage. He said at a fringe talk, reported in news outlets (which I was present at) that he was strongly against having a security detail and preferred to go by Tube to work and not have a police detail. But the Range Rover he travels in is provided by the Met Police as part of his security arrangement, not his own personal car. You'd have to contact Cressida D*ck if you wanted that changed All faff … he can CHOOSE to opt out and use the tube (or cycle in December to his office or why not walk!). Previous mayors (including the rightly maligned BoJo and a variety of other politicians have used the tube so what’s stopping him from leading from the front and setting an example? It’s all about money ultimately and less caring for the environment No politician would risk their family by ignoring security advice from the Met police. And if Sadiq did, you'd soon criticise him for that. Every politician has a different set of circumstances |
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 18, 2022 19:30:50 GMT
All faff … he can CHOOSE to opt out and use the tube (or cycle in December to his office or why not walk!). Previous mayors (including the rightly maligned BoJo and a variety of other politicians have used the tube so what’s stopping him from leading from the front and setting an example? It’s all about money ultimately and less caring for the environment No politician would risk their family by ignoring security advice from the Met police. And if Sadiq did, you'd soon criticise him for that. Every politician has a different set of circumstances People can say they drive for their own and their families safety and security, yet he is telling them not to follow his example .... one word hypocrite. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Jan 18, 2022 21:05:59 GMT
Our hapless mayor now has ideas to charge people £2 a day for driving in Greater London and TfL are to consult on this ridiculous idea. Conveniently disguised as helping the government meet its environmental goals (as if Khan is ever concerned with helping the government), this is nothing more than a tax that will disproportionately impact the poorest, as well as businesses on the outer boroughs of Greater London. This is on top of the eye watering council tax increases we are facing. High rise poor quality claustrophobic housing owned by rich Asian investors, road works everywhere and road infrastructure being deployed all over the place creating traffic jams and wasting money. Can’t wait to see the back of this mayor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60030127.ampI know this is controversial, but I agree. We have an extensive bus network in London, people should be able to wait fifteen minutes for a bus. It won't impact the poor the most, it'll be the selfish, rich twits that think that the bus is below them. Those that can't afford a car already use the bus. London Buses are a public service that we need to be grateful for, not look down upon. 100% it is worth charging this, I will strongly support this consultation, it kills three birds with one stone. One we bring in money, two we bring down car use, meeting environmental goals and thirdly we support public transport. By the way, sorry if my post sounded like it was attacking you, I'm just frustrated with this. All I say, bring it on! |
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Post by YX10FFN on Jan 18, 2022 21:12:14 GMT
Our hapless mayor now has ideas to charge people £2 a day for driving in Greater London and TfL are to consult on this ridiculous idea. Conveniently disguised as helping the government meet its environmental goals (as if Khan is ever concerned with helping the government), this is nothing more than a tax that will disproportionately impact the poorest, as well as businesses on the outer boroughs of Greater London. This is on top of the eye watering council tax increases we are facing. High rise poor quality claustrophobic housing owned by rich Asian investors, road works everywhere and road infrastructure being deployed all over the place creating traffic jams and wasting money. Can’t wait to see the back of this mayor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60030127.ampWhat an absolutely barbaric and ridiculous proposal, all drawn up by bureaucrats interested in political point scoring rather than the functioning of our city. This "except the cleanest vehicles" part is what gets me, how many people in London can afford to get an electric car at the moment? Imagine having to pay to drop your kids off at school or do a weekly shop. I'm sure they all have absolutely no idea how this is going to work. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 18, 2022 21:24:34 GMT
Our hapless mayor now has ideas to charge people £2 a day for driving in Greater London and TfL are to consult on this ridiculous idea. Conveniently disguised as helping the government meet its environmental goals (as if Khan is ever concerned with helping the government), this is nothing more than a tax that will disproportionately impact the poorest, as well as businesses on the outer boroughs of Greater London. This is on top of the eye watering council tax increases we are facing. High rise poor quality claustrophobic housing owned by rich Asian investors, road works everywhere and road infrastructure being deployed all over the place creating traffic jams and wasting money. Can’t wait to see the back of this mayor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60030127.ampI know this is controversial, but I agree. We have an extensive bus network in London, people should be able to wait fifteen minutes for a bus. It won't impact the poor the most, it'll be the selfish, rich twits that think that the bus is below them. Those that can't afford a car already use the bus. London Buses are a public service that we need to be grateful for, not look down upon. 100% it is worth charging this, I will strongly support this consultation, it kills three birds with one stone. One we bring in money, two we bring down car use, meeting environmental goals and thirdly we support public transport. By the way, sorry if my post sounded like it was attacking you, I'm just frustrated with this. All I say, bring it on! Absolutely disagree with you. You say that people should be able to wait fifteen minutes for a bus however fifteen minutes is too long for some people hence the use of a car. I'm not a diva but to be honest I find that too long.
I regularly throw the 143 in as a route that struggles with capacity problems but from what I endure whenever I use it the service seems to be unreliable in the peaks. For example today about 4pm I was waiting for the 143 outside East Finchley Station to run and do some errands near Hendon & on the bus times reader up top it stated the next 143 was in 25 minutes. How on earth would you expect people to wait for that. There was probably a bus not tracking but I imagine non-enthusiasts do not take that into the equation and instead if after a constant basis they notice this they will vote with their feet which other members have stated. I cannot believe for a service that has so many SDO journeys running alongside it (probably the most out of any regular bus route in London with 5 including the 643 running alongside) how capacity is still not matched at certain parts of the route, there's a journey that starts at Ossulton Way towards Brent Cross that is absolutely useless at mopping up school loadings because buses before mop them all yet you have punters boarding along Highgate Hill/outside East Finchley that can't even get on because of the lack of capacity. The constant waiting times at stops, the please move down inside the bus announcements, drama surrounding buggies, schoolchildren shouting, long queues at certain bus stops etc, how on earth do you get people to want to use that absolute s**hole of a service. Capacity problems were never addressed at weekends when buses were leaving Brent X packed, what exactly is attractive about waiting for a service such as that? How about address issues such as bus priority, overcrowding before punishing motorists for owning a car.
I'll add a final point on in saying that I think it's very nasty the way car users on here are demonised. A large portion of bus enthusiasts over the age of 17 I do imagine drive but are very happy to use public transport where possible. I'd say I came from a middle class background however as a youngster I was very much willing to use the bus network where possible & am very happy to still do so now however reality kicks in unfortunately as an adult and as a result I don't have all the time to wait for a bus so in lots of cases if the public transport just isn't there the car is I'm afraid the only option. I find that a demonising statement especially when across rich parts of London services are still very well used such as the 37, 65, 93, W7 and there are plenty more I could list. The 81 can regularly be packed as well and that serves quaint Berkshire areas.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 18, 2022 21:47:04 GMT
Our hapless mayor now has ideas to charge people £2 a day for driving in Greater London and TfL are to consult on this ridiculous idea. Conveniently disguised as helping the government meet its environmental goals (as if Khan is ever concerned with helping the government), this is nothing more than a tax that will disproportionately impact the poorest, as well as businesses on the outer boroughs of Greater London. This is on top of the eye watering council tax increases we are facing. High rise poor quality claustrophobic housing owned by rich Asian investors, road works everywhere and road infrastructure being deployed all over the place creating traffic jams and wasting money. Can’t wait to see the back of this mayor. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-60030127.ampWhat an absolutely barbaric and ridiculous proposal, all drawn up by bureaucrats interested in political point scoring rather than the functioning of our city. This "except the cleanest vehicles" part is what gets me, how many people in London can afford to get an electric car at the moment? Imagine having to pay to drop your kids off at school or do a weekly shop. I'm sure they all have absolutely no idea how this is going to work. No real comment either on how they have invested very little into improving local links in which public transport could potentially replace. |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 18, 2022 22:07:32 GMT
I know this is controversial, but I agree. We have an extensive bus network in London, people should be able to wait fifteen minutes for a bus. It won't impact the poor the most, it'll be the selfish, rich twits that think that the bus is below them. Those that can't afford a car already use the bus. London Buses are a public service that we need to be grateful for, not look down upon. 100% it is worth charging this, I will strongly support this consultation, it kills three birds with one stone. One we bring in money, two we bring down car use, meeting environmental goals and thirdly we support public transport. By the way, sorry if my post sounded like it was attacking you, I'm just frustrated with this. All I say, bring it on! Absolutely disagree with you. You say that people should be able to wait fifteen minutes for a bus however fifteen minutes is too long for some people hence the use of a car. I'm not a diva but to be honest I find that too long.
I regularly throw the 143 in as a route that struggles with capacity problems but from what I endure whenever I use it the service seems to be unreliable in the peaks. For example today about 4pm I was waiting for the 143 outside East Finchley Station to run and do some errands near Hendon & on the bus times reader up top it stated the next 143 was in 25 minutes. How on earth would you expect people to wait for that. There was probably a bus not tracking but I imagine non-enthusiasts do not take that into the equation and instead if after a constant basis they notice this they will vote with their feet which other members have stated. I cannot believe for a service that has so many SDO journeys running alongside it (probably the most out of any regular bus route in London with 5 including the 643 running alongside) how capacity is still not matched at certain parts of the route, there's a journey that starts at Ossulton Way towards Brent Cross that is absolutely useless at mopping up school loadings because buses before mop them all yet you have punters boarding along Highgate Hill/outside East Finchley that can't even get on because of the lack of capacity. The constant waiting times at stops, the please move down inside the bus announcements, drama surrounding buggies, schoolchildren shouting, long queues at certain bus stops etc, how on earth do you get people to want to use that absolute s**hole of a service. Capacity problems were never addressed at weekends when buses were leaving Brent X packed, what exactly is attractive about waiting for a service such as that? How about address issues such as bus priority, overcrowding before punishing motorists for owning a car.
I’m sorry but this people can’t wait 15 minutes excuse is pathetic! If I want to use a local route to me to Mile End I have to wait. Anyway who in reality goes to a bus stop and waits nowadays when we get time the wait better using phone apps. People have become spoilt in London and would have melt down if they had to use transport outside of London even just on the Essex border they would love a bus every 15 mins. Yes people are leaving transport but it will only go so far not everyone has a choice or can afford a car, trains or cabs. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 18, 2022 22:25:02 GMT
Absolutely disagree with you. You say that people should be able to wait fifteen minutes for a bus however fifteen minutes is too long for some people hence the use of a car. I'm not a diva but to be honest I find that too long.
I regularly throw the 143 in as a route that struggles with capacity problems but from what I endure whenever I use it the service seems to be unreliable in the peaks. For example today about 4pm I was waiting for the 143 outside East Finchley Station to run and do some errands near Hendon & on the bus times reader up top it stated the next 143 was in 25 minutes. How on earth would you expect people to wait for that. There was probably a bus not tracking but I imagine non-enthusiasts do not take that into the equation and instead if after a constant basis they notice this they will vote with their feet which other members have stated. I cannot believe for a service that has so many SDO journeys running alongside it (probably the most out of any regular bus route in London with 5 including the 643 running alongside) how capacity is still not matched at certain parts of the route, there's a journey that starts at Ossulton Way towards Brent Cross that is absolutely useless at mopping up school loadings because buses before mop them all yet you have punters boarding along Highgate Hill/outside East Finchley that can't even get on because of the lack of capacity. The constant waiting times at stops, the please move down inside the bus announcements, drama surrounding buggies, schoolchildren shouting, long queues at certain bus stops etc, how on earth do you get people to want to use that absolute s**hole of a service. Capacity problems were never addressed at weekends when buses were leaving Brent X packed, what exactly is attractive about waiting for a service such as that? How about address issues such as bus priority, overcrowding before punishing motorists for owning a car.
I’m sorry but this people can’t wait 15 minutes excuse is pathetic! If I want to use a local route to me to Mile End I have to wait. Anyway who in reality goes to a bus stop and waits nowadays when we get time the wait better using phone apps. People have become spoilt in London and would have melt down if they had to use transport outside of London even just on the Essex border they would love a bus every 15 mins. Yes people are leaving transport but it will only go so far not everyone has a choice or can afford a car, trains or cabs. I would say it's the apps that have made this worse, while you can time a stop outside your house it's hard to time a connection. People in London are spoilt, but the issue I'd say is that you can't change this. You can't tell people to deal with it when they simply won't. It's what finished off the RV1 and dare I say many more routes will eventually join. While 15min may seem petty, people would rather do something in those 15 minutes. I certainly wouldn't wait 15 minutes, whenever I see a bus to Asda is a 15 minute wait I just hop in my car instead and I know many others do too. Today one of my colleagues drove through the congestion zone because they didn't want to wait for a 21 as they claimed it was too infrequent. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jan 18, 2022 22:27:04 GMT
I’m sorry but this people can’t wait 15 minutes excuse is pathetic! If I want to use a local route to me to Mile End I have to wait. Anyway who in reality goes to a bus stop and waits nowadays when we get time the wait better using phone apps. People have become spoilt in London and would have melt down if they had to use transport outside of London even just on the Essex border they would love a bus every 15 mins. Yes people are leaving transport but it will only go so far not everyone has a choice or can afford a car, trains or cabs. I would say it's the apps that have made this worse, while you can time a stop outside your house it's hard to time a connection. People in London are spoilt, but the issue I'd say is that you can't change this. You can't tell people to deal with it when they simply won't. It's what finished off the RV1 and dare I say many more routes will eventually join. While 15min may seem petty, people would rather do something in those 15 minutes. I certainly wouldn't wait 15 minutes, whenever I see a bus to Asda is a 15 minute wait I just hop in my car instead and I know many others do too. Today one of my colleagues drove through the congestion zone because they didn't want to wait for a 21 as they claimed it was too infrequent. I also don't think many people particularly like overcrowding on services so its good not to be too infrequent. |
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Post by WH241 on Jan 18, 2022 22:39:00 GMT
I would say it's the apps that have made this worse, while you can time a stop outside your house it's hard to time a connection. People in London are spoilt, but the issue I'd say is that you can't change this. You can't tell people to deal with it when they simply won't. It's what finished off the RV1 and dare I say many more routes will eventually join. While 15min may seem petty, people would rather do something in those 15 minutes. I certainly wouldn't wait 15 minutes, whenever I see a bus to Asda is a 15 minute wait I just hop in my car instead and I know many others do too. Today one of my colleagues drove through the congestion zone because they didn't want to wait for a 21 as they claimed it was too infrequent. I also don't think many people particularly like overcrowding on services so its good not to be too infrequent. But in reality buses should be carrying decent loads not running half empty. People are happy to board crowded trains with crush loadings. |
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