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Post by aaron1 on Feb 17, 2022 10:59:58 GMT
1 Was Willesden Bus Garage To Greenwich Cutty Sark
2 Was Arnos Grove to Crystal Palace
6 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Hackney Wick or Chingford
8 Was Old Ford or Bow Church to Alperton
16 was Sudbury Town to Victoria before that part was replace by 245 from Cricklewood
18 London Bridge to Edgware
29 Was Victoria to Potters Bar
52 was Borehamwood, Rossington Avenue to Victoria replace by north of Willesden 302 and 292
65 Was Ealing Broadway to Leatherhead
72 Preston Road to Chessington
81 Was Sheprds Bush to Windsor
83 Golders Green to Heathrow Central
84 Was Golders Green to St Albans
105 Was Heathrow Central to Wandsworth
107 Was Queensbury to Brimsdown
112 Was Edmonton Green to Hampton court
140 Was Mill Hill Broadway to Heathrow Central
142 was Kilburn Park to Watford Junction the Kilburn part was replace 32
159 Was West End Green to Old Coulsdon or Chipstead valley
176 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage
220 Was Willesden Junction to West Coydon
260 Was Barnet Hospital to Hammersmith the route later rerouted to Sheprds Bush and the Barnet to North Fincley bit was not replace by any route
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 17, 2022 11:02:43 GMT
The 59 in its various forms along the A23 corridor, once the famous Sunday only route from West Hampstead to Chipstead Valley and later rerouted to Old Coulsdon, then Farringdon Street and then Kings Cross in it's next life before being cut back to Euston a few years ago. The 59 also served Camden Town before it was rerouted to West Hampstead in 1947 - the 53A and 59 swapped routes north of Oxford Circus. |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Feb 17, 2022 11:11:32 GMT
Route 10 has to be in there also
10 from Victoria - Abridge
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Post by LondonNorthern on Feb 17, 2022 11:15:10 GMT
Route 10 has to be in there also 10 from Victoria - Abridge Were there a lot of e2e journeys on that ie commuting? |
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 17, 2022 11:46:20 GMT
Route 10 has to be in there also 10 from Victoria - Abridge Were there a lot of e2e journeys on that ie commuting? I think it might have gone in sections with the central section starting at Woodford Bridge. |
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Post by riverside on Feb 17, 2022 13:01:36 GMT
The 170 has covered a lot of ground. It was inaugurated as a tram replacement route in 1950, running from Wandsworth to Hackney. It was extended to Leyton, Downsell Road in April 1959 as part of the Trolleybus Replacement Programme. The route was then gradually whittled away at its eastern end and by the end of 1969 it was a Wandsworth-Bloomsbury route, extended at peak times to Shoreditch. The route's eastern extension to Roehampton, Danebury Avenue occurred in April 1981 and that terminus has at least remained consistent. The route assumed its Roehampton-Clapham Junction form in May 1991 when it was converted to midibus, and remained in this form for several years although the vehicles grew gradually larger. It assumed its current form in February 2008 when it was extended over route 239 to Victoria. The only section of the original 1950 route that is still served is the short section from Wandsworth Town Centre to Clapham Junction. Traditionally the 170 departed Wandsworth via York Road, supporting the 44 towards Battersea and did not connect Wandsworth and Clapham Junction. The only original part of the route left is the small section between the junction of York Road/Plough Road and the junction of York Road/Lombard Road. |
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Post by wirewiper on Feb 17, 2022 13:57:09 GMT
The 18 and all its variants covered a large area. In 1934 the core 18 route was from London Bridge Station to Harrow Weald Garage, the outer terminus switched to Edgware Station in November 1940 with peak-hour journeys extended further to Aldenham LT Works in October 1941. Today's 182 and 186 are direct descendants of the 18, commencing in June 1970 when the 18 itself was cut back to Sudbury.
The 18A had two incarnations. In 1934 it was running from London Bridge to Park Royal with a peak-hours extension to Acton GWR Station (today's Acton Main Line). This route ended in October 1939. The number reappeared in June 1967 as a Monday-Friday peak-hour route between Acton (Gunnersbury Lane) and Kings Cross, operating via Victoria Road and Old Oak Lane rather than Park Royal. It survived until September 1982.
The 18B in 1934 ran between Finchley Memorial and London Bridge via the North Circular Road, joining the main 18 route at Stonebridge Park. It was cut back to Brent Station (now Brent Cross) in June 1939. The route was withdrawn in January 1962, being replaced by a much enhanced route 18 which also replaced trolleybus route 662 between Sudbury and Paddington Green.
The 18C in 1934 ran between Hanwell Bus Garage (renamed Southall in 1950 and closed in 1986) via Greenford and Sudbury to Wembley Empire Pool, except on Sundays when it diverted at Wembley Triangle to operate to King's Cross. Hanwell Garage was opposite today's Ealing Hospital site. The Kings Cross section was dropped in October 1939. If the 18C seems to bear an uncanny resemblance to today's route 92 that is hardly surprising - the route was renumbered in 1944 as by then it had little in common with the main 18.
Just to complete the story, the N18 was introduced in April 1984 as a new night bus route, although it largely duplicated the N91 which was withdrawn shortly afterwards. Initially operating between Sudbury and Liverpool Street Station, it was extended to Edgware (via Harrow, Harrow Weald and Stanmore) from April 1985 until October 1989, and also had journeys to Watford Junction from September 1987 until January 1994 when it settled down to its current Trafalgar Square-Harrow Weald form in January 1994.
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Post by Paul on Feb 17, 2022 14:19:12 GMT
The one I’ve always liked is the summer Sunday extension of the 47 all the way down to Knockholt Pound
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Post by towerman on Feb 17, 2022 15:15:18 GMT
1 Was Willesden Bus Garage To Greenwich Cutty Sark 2 Was Arnos Grove to Crystal Palace 6 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Hackney Wick or Chingford 8 Was Old Ford or Bow Church to Alperton 16 was Sudbury Town to Victoria before that part was replace by 245 from Cricklewood 18 London Bridge to Edgware 29 Was Victoria to Potters Bar 52 was Borehamwood, Rossington Avenue to Victoria replace by north of Willesden 302 and 292 65 Was Ealing Broadway to Leatherhead 72 Preston Road to Chessington 81 Was Sheprds Bush to Windsor 83 Golders Green to Heathrow Central 84 Was Golders Green to St Albans 105 Was Heathrow Central to Wandsworth 107 Was Queensbury to Brimsdown 112 Was Edmonton Green to Hampton court 140 Was Mill Hill Broadway to Heathrow Central 142 was Kilburn Park to Watford Junction the Kilburn part was replace 32 159 Was West End Green to Old Coulsdon or Chipstead valley 176 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage 220 Was Willesden Junction to West Coydon 260 Was Barnet Hospital to Hammersmith the route later rerouted to Sheprds Bush and the Barnet to North Fincley bit was not replace by any route 38A Victoria to Loughton Station 38(summer Sundays)Victoria to Epping(Wake Arms) 73(summer Sundays)Stoke Newington to Richmond 718 Green Line route Windsor to Harlow |
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 17, 2022 15:17:37 GMT
1 Was Willesden Bus Garage To Greenwich Cutty Sark 2 Was Arnos Grove to Crystal Palace 6 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Hackney Wick or Chingford 8 Was Old Ford or Bow Church to Alperton 16 was Sudbury Town to Victoria before that part was replace by 245 from Cricklewood 18 London Bridge to Edgware 29 Was Victoria to Potters Bar 52 was Borehamwood, Rossington Avenue to Victoria replace by north of Willesden 302 and 292 65 Was Ealing Broadway to Leatherhead 72 Preston Road to Chessington 81 Was Sheprds Bush to Windsor 83 Golders Green to Heathrow Central 84 Was Golders Green to St Albans 105 Was Heathrow Central to Wandsworth 107 Was Queensbury to Brimsdown 112 Was Edmonton Green to Hampton court 140 Was Mill Hill Broadway to Heathrow Central 142 was Kilburn Park to Watford Junction the Kilburn part was replace 32 159 Was West End Green to Old Coulsdon or Chipstead valley 176 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage 220 Was Willesden Junction to West Coydon 260 Was Barnet Hospital to Hammersmith the route later rerouted to Sheprds Bush and the Barnet to North Fincley bit was not replace by any route In the nicest way, none of these satisfy the brief I gave for this thread - which was the general spread of the routes in question. For a start, you’ve missed all the southeastern parts that the 1 once covered, down to Lewisham, Catford and Bromley. There are also bits of the 72 you have missed, notably the Esher extensions. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Feb 17, 2022 15:57:09 GMT
1 Was Willesden Bus Garage To Greenwich Cutty Sark 2 Was Arnos Grove to Crystal Palace 6 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Hackney Wick or Chingford 8 Was Old Ford or Bow Church to Alperton 16 was Sudbury Town to Victoria before that part was replace by 245 from Cricklewood 18 London Bridge to Edgware 29 Was Victoria to Potters Bar 52 was Borehamwood, Rossington Avenue to Victoria replace by north of Willesden 302 and 292 65 Was Ealing Broadway to Leatherhead 72 Preston Road to Chessington 81 Was Sheprds Bush to Windsor 83 Golders Green to Heathrow Central 84 Was Golders Green to St Albans 105 Was Heathrow Central to Wandsworth 107 Was Queensbury to Brimsdown 112 Was Edmonton Green to Hampton court 140 Was Mill Hill Broadway to Heathrow Central 142 was Kilburn Park to Watford Junction the Kilburn part was replace 32 159 Was West End Green to Old Coulsdon or Chipstead valley 176 Was Willesden Bus Garage to Bellingham, Catford Bus Garage 220 Was Willesden Junction to West Coydon 260 Was Barnet Hospital to Hammersmith the route later rerouted to Sheprds Bush and the Barnet to North Fincley bit was not replace by any route In the nicest way, none of these satisfy the brief I gave for this thread - which was the general spread of the routes in question. For a start, you’ve missed all the southeastern parts that the 1 once covered, down to Lewisham, Catford and Bromley. There are also bits of the 72 you have missed, notably the Esher extensions. I'm actually not quite sure what you meant in your brief. Is it how many different routeings they have taken, or what quite? Did my 111 answer satisfy the brief? |
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 17, 2022 16:13:39 GMT
In the nicest way, none of these satisfy the brief I gave for this thread - which was the general spread of the routes in question. For a start, you’ve missed all the southeastern parts that the 1 once covered, down to Lewisham, Catford and Bromley. There are also bits of the 72 you have missed, notably the Esher extensions. I'm actually not quite sure what you meant in your brief. Is it how many different routeings they have taken, or what quite? Did my 111 answer satisfy the brief? Yeah - it did - mainly because the 111 didn’t do a lot else apart from what it does currently and the other extensions you mentioned. What I mean really is to look for routes that have covered a lot of ground in their history, rather than just a snapshot of one particular incarnation of a route, which is what aaron1 did with his list. I’ll give another example : I could say that the 161 once went from Petts Wood to Woolwich, but what I’m really looking for is how much ground 161s have covered over the years, so you’d mention it once went to Sidcup Garage (Foots Cray) via Perry Street and Sidcup town centre, as well as the current run to North Greenwich, out to Bromley from Chislehurst via the current 162 and the periodic extensions to Abbey Wood via the current 180. Which gives the 161 a pretty large footprint, but maybe not as much as, say, the 12 or the 18. |
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Post by Paul on Feb 17, 2022 19:19:01 GMT
The 89 is pretty much an east to west route these days but many moons ago it had a very healthy dive south all the way to what’s called the Aperfield Inn these days, just the other side of Biggin Hill
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Post by danorak on Feb 17, 2022 19:41:33 GMT
The 40's been about a bit. High Beach/Wanstead to Camberwell at one point, East Ham/Poplar to Norwood Junction at another, spells serving North Woolwich and Canary Wharf and finally today's Clerkenwell to Dulwich service.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 17, 2022 20:08:54 GMT
The 89 is pretty much an east to west route these days but many moons ago it had a very healthy dive south all the way to what’s called the Aperfield Inn these days, just the other side of Biggin Hill Slightly less exotic, but the 89 also used to double back on itself and cover what is now the 132 to Eltham via Bexley and Blackfen. Garage journeys to New Cross Gate have also very much been a thing with the 89. |
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