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Post by snowman on Mar 11, 2022 21:13:40 GMT
I would say Richmond
Has buses north to Kew & Ealing, NE to Chiswick & Hammersmith, East to Putney and Barnes, SE to Tooting (493), South to Kingston, SW to Teddington and Hampton, West to Twickenham and Whitton, NW to Hounslow and Isleworth etc.
Some places mentioned by others have better services in some directions, but poor in others
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Mar 11, 2022 21:29:25 GMT
I would say Richmond Has buses north to Kew & Ealing, NE to Chiswick & Hammersmith, East to Putney and Barnes, SE to Tooting (493), South to Kingston, SW to Teddington and Hampton, West to Twickenham and Sunbury, NW to Hounslow and Isleworth etc. Some places mentioned by others have better services in some directions, but poor in others Eh that link's news to me! If you mean LBRUT then yes, but you couldn't include places in the borough then. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 21:53:30 GMT
Holloway has a very expansive one, Finchley has a good one although improvements could be made here and there, Barnet has a decent one although it’s a real shame that no bus operated by TFL heads north of Hadley Green, Highgate/Archway have a very railhead orientated network whilst still having a reasonably expansive one, Hampstead’s is very disappointing given the amount of leisure & Hospital demand there is, Golders Green/Brent X I think are the clear winners though ie expansion into different areas. The one in Barnet is poor in my view since the rerouting of the 384; shortly to be disappearing 84 and TfL not providing cross-boundary services apart from 107; no regular service to Hadley Wood or Western Way or shortly to Hadley Green and Hadley Highstone; no link to places like Finchley Central or Golders Green; New Barnet and East Barnet don't have any night buses. Also Barnet Church might look like it has a lot of buses but most are lower frequency than in other areas and artificially end there or at The Spires or Barnet Hospital and don't go any further north or west. There are a lot of residential parts that have never been in walking distance to a bus service such as the western end of Mays Lane. Agreed especially as I'm a Barnet local though the 326 does link to Finchley Central. New Barnet Sainsbury's now has less buses operating than it did when the 384 used to go there, and you have the unserved sections of the 384 which have not been replaced. New Barnet Station is now going from 4 bus routes to 2 in less than 2 years. You got a packed Barnet The Spires with no link to Potters Bar when the 84 cut happens and the permanent extension of the N20 doesn't serve the bus stops between Barnet Hospital and Barnet Church. So as a Barnet local, the area needs serious improvement in terms of reliability. |
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Post by uakari on Mar 11, 2022 22:56:32 GMT
The one in Barnet is poor in my view since the rerouting of the 384; shortly to be disappearing 84 and TfL not providing cross-boundary services apart from 107; no regular service to Hadley Wood or Western Way or shortly to Hadley Green and Hadley Highstone; no link to places like Finchley Central or Golders Green; New Barnet and East Barnet don't have any night buses. Also Barnet Church might look like it has a lot of buses but most are lower frequency than in other areas and artificially end there or at The Spires or Barnet Hospital and don't go any further north or west. There are a lot of residential parts that have never been in walking distance to a bus service such as the western end of Mays Lane. Agreed especially as I'm a Barnet local though the 326 does link to Finchley Central. New Barnet Sainsbury's now has less buses operating than it did when the 384 used to go there, and you have the unserved sections of the 384 which have not been replaced. New Barnet Station is now going from 4 bus routes to 2 in less than 2 years. You got a packed Barnet The Spires with no link to Potters Bar when the 84 cut happens and the permanent extension of the N20 doesn't serve the bus stops between Barnet Hospital and Barnet Church. So as a Barnet local, the area needs serious improvement in terms of reliability. Apparently the N20 is now going to serve the stops in-between, so that's a small benefit. The weekend services on the 34 and 307 show no signs of returning though. Apparently Peckham has about nine night bus routes and I think the day buses there are a lot more frequent and comprehensive. I would bet that the inner London town centres still beat most outer London ones in terms of expansive and comprehensive links. I was taking 'expansive' also to mean a denser networks covering more of the residential areas, which certainly isn't the case in Barnet especially since the 384 rerouting. You only have to look a bus map to see inner London does a lot better in this regard. Spider maps are a good way to see this. Is there anywhere you can't get to in the surrounding areas from the centre of Peckham by bus for example? I think it's out of proportion to the relative density of places. Once you consider places adjoining other counties, 'expansive' has to mean reaching towns across the border, and as we know that is very patchy. Inner London is still disproportionately well served, for now at least. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 11, 2022 23:16:35 GMT
Agreed especially as I'm a Barnet local though the 326 does link to Finchley Central. New Barnet Sainsbury's now has less buses operating than it did when the 384 used to go there, and you have the unserved sections of the 384 which have not been replaced. New Barnet Station is now going from 4 bus routes to 2 in less than 2 years. You got a packed Barnet The Spires with no link to Potters Bar when the 84 cut happens and the permanent extension of the N20 doesn't serve the bus stops between Barnet Hospital and Barnet Church. So as a Barnet local, the area needs serious improvement in terms of reliability. Apparently the N20 is now going to serve the stops in-between, so that's a small benefit. The weekend services on the 34 and 307 show no signs of returning though. Apparently Peckham has about nine night bus routes and I think the day buses there are a lot more frequent and comprehensive. I would bet that the inner London town centres still beat most outer London ones in terms of expansive and comprehensive links. I was taking 'expansive' also to mean a denser networks covering the more residential areas, which certainly isn't the case in Barnet especially since the 384 rerouting. You only have to look a bus map to see inner London does a lot better in this regard. Is there anywhere you can't get to in the surrounding areas from the centre of Peckham by bus for example? I think it's out of proportion to the relative density of places. Once you consider places adjoining other counties, 'expansive' has to mean reaching towns across the border, and as we know that is very patchy. Inner London is still disproportionately well served, for now at least. Demand is completely different between Peckham and Barnet though at night and what a lot of the routes pass through Peckham at night and don't necessarily start there like the N20 might do.
I think Barnet does need a bit of a review ie the network, some areas have very little coverage and some areas are very overbussed especially the New Barnet to High Barnet corridor, I'm sure with the 384 now paralleling the 107 to Stirling Corner and the 307 having now served Barnet Hospital since 2013 you could probably pull the 107 away from New Barnet and perhaps plonk it into the Dollis Valley development? Again it is not too uncommon to see empty 107s rolling off the stands at New Barnet, demand tends to start at High Barnet. I think differences in income between Peckham and Barnet are another difference that means Barnet cannot have such a dense network, whilst Peckham over the past few years has likely been more attractive to the yuppie & young professional population there is still scope for there to be high frequency services rolling in and out of Peckham whereas Barnet tends to have more people wanting to drive (which could very well be down to the lack of bus provision in some areas).
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Post by vjaska on Mar 11, 2022 23:39:13 GMT
Agreed especially as I'm a Barnet local though the 326 does link to Finchley Central. New Barnet Sainsbury's now has less buses operating than it did when the 384 used to go there, and you have the unserved sections of the 384 which have not been replaced. New Barnet Station is now going from 4 bus routes to 2 in less than 2 years. You got a packed Barnet The Spires with no link to Potters Bar when the 84 cut happens and the permanent extension of the N20 doesn't serve the bus stops between Barnet Hospital and Barnet Church. So as a Barnet local, the area needs serious improvement in terms of reliability. Apparently the N20 is now going to serve the stops in-between, so that's a small benefit. The weekend services on the 34 and 307 show no signs of returning though. Apparently Peckham has about nine night bus routes and I think the day buses there are a lot more frequent and comprehensive. I would bet that the inner London town centres still beat most outer London ones in terms of expansive and comprehensive links. I was taking 'expansive' also to mean a denser networks covering more of the residential areas, which certainly isn't the case in Barnet especially since the 384 rerouting. You only have to look a bus map to see inner London does a lot better in this regard. Spider maps are a good way to see this. Is there anywhere you can't get to in the surrounding areas from the centre of Peckham by bus for example? I think it's out of proportion to the relative density of places. Once you consider places adjoining other counties, 'expansive' has to mean reaching towns across the border, and as we know that is very patchy. Inner London is still disproportionately well served, for now at least. The night life in that part of the world would explain why Peckham has so many night links, same here in nearby Brixton where we also have 9 night routes (two of which terminate at Peckham along different routings) and around 20 daytime routes, all needed to meet the demand. We also have the only school route that serves Lambeth. Sadly, Inner London is being eroded by the cuts which have heavily affected many parts, particularly South London which has many places that has no tube to fall back on & a not always reliable train service so buses down here are always going to be very important |
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Post by uakari on Mar 12, 2022 1:41:41 GMT
Apparently the N20 is now going to serve the stops in-between, so that's a small benefit. The weekend services on the 34 and 307 show no signs of returning though. Apparently Peckham has about nine night bus routes and I think the day buses there are a lot more frequent and comprehensive. I would bet that the inner London town centres still beat most outer London ones in terms of expansive and comprehensive links. I was taking 'expansive' also to mean a denser networks covering the more residential areas, which certainly isn't the case in Barnet especially since the 384 rerouting. You only have to look a bus map to see inner London does a lot better in this regard. Is there anywhere you can't get to in the surrounding areas from the centre of Peckham by bus for example? I think it's out of proportion to the relative density of places. Once you consider places adjoining other counties, 'expansive' has to mean reaching towns across the border, and as we know that is very patchy. Inner London is still disproportionately well served, for now at least. Demand is completely different between Peckham and Barnet though at night and what a lot of the routes pass through Peckham at night and don't necessarily start there like the N20 might do.
I think Barnet does need a bit of a review ie the network, some areas have very little coverage and some areas are very overbussed especially the New Barnet to High Barnet corridor, I'm sure with the 384 now paralleling the 107 to Stirling Corner and the 307 having now served Barnet Hospital since 2013 you could probably pull the 107 away from New Barnet and perhaps plonk it into the Dollis Valley development? Again it is not too uncommon to see empty 107s rolling off the stands at New Barnet, demand tends to start at High Barnet. I think differences in income between Peckham and Barnet are another difference that means Barnet cannot have such a dense network, whilst Peckham over the past few years has likely been more attractive to the yuppie & young professional population there is still scope for there to be high frequency services rolling in and out of Peckham whereas Barnet tends to have more people wanting to drive (which could very well be down to the lack of bus provision in some areas).
A lot of yuppie types moving into inner London don't use buses either though - if they don't drive or aren't cycle junkies then they tend to think nothing of calling an uber even when using a bus would be more convenient and cheaper. There seems to be a whole generation (I see it with some people I know) of Thatcher's children who have never taken a bus as part of their daily lives and were always just driven to school in Mondeos. Unfortunately that generation/mindset seems to be gaining sway in TfL too, with buses very much a an afterthought instead of front and centre in their transport strategy like they should be. |
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Post by overgroundcommuter on Mar 12, 2022 2:26:57 GMT
Brixton has had an expansive network for many years due to the passenger flow in & out of the Victoria Line but also due to the high demand of the A23 corridor Bit of a shame there isn’t any decent east to west links in South London though especially when you consider it’s only the 37/345, perhaps one way to rectify this could be through getting the Overground to stop at Brixton? Don’t know how likely that is though. The P4 to a lesser extent connects Brixton to SE London at Lewisham. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 12, 2022 5:37:22 GMT
For a place so far from central London, Romford has quite an extensive bus network. I could be wrong, but I reckon it has the highest average age per bus for a large interchange. It still seems a majority of vehicles even double-decks there are still diesel.
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Post by WH241 on Mar 12, 2022 9:48:22 GMT
For a place so far from central London, Romford has quite an extensive bus network. I could be wrong, but I reckon it has the highest average age per bus for a large interchange. It still seems a majority of vehicles even double-decks there are still diesel. Romford is very extensive with links to Lakeside, Passingford Bridge, Ockendon, Stratford, Leytonstone, Ilford, Canning Town, Cranham, Noak Hill, Brentwood and more..... |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 12, 2022 11:42:15 GMT
Demand is completely different between Peckham and Barnet though at night and what a lot of the routes pass through Peckham at night and don't necessarily start there like the N20 might do.
I think Barnet does need a bit of a review ie the network, some areas have very little coverage and some areas are very overbussed especially the New Barnet to High Barnet corridor, I'm sure with the 384 now paralleling the 107 to Stirling Corner and the 307 having now served Barnet Hospital since 2013 you could probably pull the 107 away from New Barnet and perhaps plonk it into the Dollis Valley development? Again it is not too uncommon to see empty 107s rolling off the stands at New Barnet, demand tends to start at High Barnet. I think differences in income between Peckham and Barnet are another difference that means Barnet cannot have such a dense network, whilst Peckham over the past few years has likely been more attractive to the yuppie & young professional population there is still scope for there to be high frequency services rolling in and out of Peckham whereas Barnet tends to have more people wanting to drive (which could very well be down to the lack of bus provision in some areas).
A lot of yuppie types moving into inner London don't use buses either though - if they don't drive or aren't cycle junkies then they tend to think nothing of calling an uber even when using a bus would be more convenient and cheaper. There seems to be a whole generation (I see it with some people I know) of Thatcher's children who have never taken a bus as part of their daily lives and were always just driven to school in Mondeos. Unfortunately that generation/mindset seems to be gaining sway in TfL too, with buses very much a an afterthought instead of front and centre in their transport strategy like they should be. A sizeaable number of the yuppies in Lambeth actually do so I can’t answer why it doesn’t happen elsewhere |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 12, 2022 11:58:24 GMT
Demand is completely different between Peckham and Barnet though at night and what a lot of the routes pass through Peckham at night and don't necessarily start there like the N20 might do.
I think Barnet does need a bit of a review ie the network, some areas have very little coverage and some areas are very overbussed especially the New Barnet to High Barnet corridor, I'm sure with the 384 now paralleling the 107 to Stirling Corner and the 307 having now served Barnet Hospital since 2013 you could probably pull the 107 away from New Barnet and perhaps plonk it into the Dollis Valley development? Again it is not too uncommon to see empty 107s rolling off the stands at New Barnet, demand tends to start at High Barnet. I think differences in income between Peckham and Barnet are another difference that means Barnet cannot have such a dense network, whilst Peckham over the past few years has likely been more attractive to the yuppie & young professional population there is still scope for there to be high frequency services rolling in and out of Peckham whereas Barnet tends to have more people wanting to drive (which could very well be down to the lack of bus provision in some areas).
A lot of yuppie types moving into inner London don't use buses either though - if they don't drive or aren't cycle junkies then they tend to think nothing of calling an uber even when using a bus would be more convenient and cheaper. There seems to be a whole generation (I see it with some people I know) of Thatcher's children who have never taken a bus as part of their daily lives and were always just driven to school in Mondeos. Unfortunately that generation/mindset seems to be gaining sway in TfL too, with buses very much a an afterthought instead of front and centre in their transport strategy like they should be. Not only Thatchers children...... I know a lot of people who weren't even born when she was in office who just don't do buses, or certainly not very often. Train, uber, walk or cycle is more their norm. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 12, 2022 12:09:14 GMT
Demand is completely different between Peckham and Barnet though at night and what a lot of the routes pass through Peckham at night and don't necessarily start there like the N20 might do.
I think Barnet does need a bit of a review ie the network, some areas have very little coverage and some areas are very overbussed especially the New Barnet to High Barnet corridor, I'm sure with the 384 now paralleling the 107 to Stirling Corner and the 307 having now served Barnet Hospital since 2013 you could probably pull the 107 away from New Barnet and perhaps plonk it into the Dollis Valley development? Again it is not too uncommon to see empty 107s rolling off the stands at New Barnet, demand tends to start at High Barnet. I think differences in income between Peckham and Barnet are another difference that means Barnet cannot have such a dense network, whilst Peckham over the past few years has likely been more attractive to the yuppie & young professional population there is still scope for there to be high frequency services rolling in and out of Peckham whereas Barnet tends to have more people wanting to drive (which could very well be down to the lack of bus provision in some areas).
A lot of yuppie types moving into inner London don't use buses either though - if they don't drive or aren't cycle junkies then they tend to think nothing of calling an uber even when using a bus would be more convenient and cheaper. There seems to be a whole generation (I see it with some people I know) of Thatcher's children who have never taken a bus as part of their daily lives and were always just driven to school in Mondeos. Unfortunately that generation/mindset seems to be gaining sway in TfL too, with buses very much a an afterthought instead of front and centre in their transport strategy like they should be. With the rapid daily increase in petrol prices eventually Uber will need to increase its costs so might make people look at alternatives. I don't know how it works as a Uber driver but these price increases must be affecting how much drivers are earning making it less attractive for them. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 12, 2022 12:15:19 GMT
A lot of yuppie types moving into inner London don't use buses either though - if they don't drive or aren't cycle junkies then they tend to think nothing of calling an uber even when using a bus would be more convenient and cheaper. There seems to be a whole generation (I see it with some people I know) of Thatcher's children who have never taken a bus as part of their daily lives and were always just driven to school in Mondeos. Unfortunately that generation/mindset seems to be gaining sway in TfL too, with buses very much a an afterthought instead of front and centre in their transport strategy like they should be. With the rapid daily increase in petrol prices eventually Uber will need to increase its costs so might make people look at alternatives. I don't know how it works as a Uber driver but these price increases must be affecting how much drivers are earning making it less attractive for them. Most Ubers are electric. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 12:17:28 GMT
Agreed especially as I'm a Barnet local though the 326 does link to Finchley Central. New Barnet Sainsbury's now has less buses operating than it did when the 384 used to go there, and you have the unserved sections of the 384 which have not been replaced. New Barnet Station is now going from 4 bus routes to 2 in less than 2 years. You got a packed Barnet The Spires with no link to Potters Bar when the 84 cut happens and the permanent extension of the N20 doesn't serve the bus stops between Barnet Hospital and Barnet Church. So as a Barnet local, the area needs serious improvement in terms of reliability. Apparently the N20 is now going to serve the stops in-between, so that's a small benefit. The weekend services on the 34 and 307 show no signs of returning though. Apparently Peckham has about nine night bus routes and I think the day buses there are a lot more frequent and comprehensive. I would bet that the inner London town centres still beat most outer London ones in terms of expansive and comprehensive links. I was taking 'expansive' also to mean a denser networks covering more of the residential areas, which certainly isn't the case in Barnet especially since the 384 rerouting. You only have to look a bus map to see inner London does a lot better in this regard. Spider maps are a good way to see this. Is there anywhere you can't get to in the surrounding areas from the centre of Peckham by bus for example? I think it's out of proportion to the relative density of places. Once you consider places adjoining other counties, 'expansive' has to mean reaching towns across the border, and as we know that is very patchy. Inner London is still disproportionately well served, for now at least. Heck even Enfield is way better let alone Peckham because it has better links than Barnet does linking very well to outer London shopping centres like Potters Bar and Waltham Cross. And last year, Enfield received even newer links with the 456 linking to Winchmore Hill Station and North Middlesex Hospital. And I don't even rate Enfield's links that much. |
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