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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 12, 2022 17:53:58 GMT
Can see the 53 or 453 going if a X53 is introduced. Probably not but definitely a frequency reduction on both routes. Like I said on the other thread I wouldn't be surprised to see something along the whole route (likely not via Plumstead Common) with the 53 cutting back to New Cross Gate and the 453 Deptford to Oxford Circus. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Mar 12, 2022 19:40:43 GMT
X149 from London Bridge stopping at Bank, Liverpool Street, Shoreditch, Dalston Junction, Stoke Newington, Stamford Hill, Seven Sisters, Bruce Grove, Silver Street, Edmonton Green then continuing to Ponders End via route 349 (and previous route 149). I think an express 149 would see a high level of use, in principle, but with the plan document indicating a wish to avoid duplicating rail links I doubt it would happen in practice, especially as the rail service it duplicates is one of TfL's own. There is also the road layout to consider - lots of multi/bus lane running to facilitate overtaking stopping buses between Shoreditch and Tottenham Green but north of there you'd get stuck behind stopping buses wherever you find them (and on a 30bph corridor that Will be at most stops). The time advantage would be limited. Pretty sure also that the 149 is one of those routes that puts a surplus back into the TfL pot so I don't think they would be in a rush to change the setup to the detriment of that. |
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 12, 2022 19:43:45 GMT
Probably not but definitely a frequency reduction on both routes. Like I said on the other thread I wouldn't be surprised to see something along the whole route (likely not via Plumstead Common) with the 53 cutting back to New Cross Gate and the 453 Deptford to Oxford Circus. Doubt it... that’s very extreme. Just because the 140 was cut back doesn’t mean the it will happen to the 53... |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 12, 2022 20:00:42 GMT
Like I said on the other thread I wouldn't be surprised to see something along the whole route (likely not via Plumstead Common) with the 53 cutting back to New Cross Gate and the 453 Deptford to Oxford Circus. Doubt it... that’s very extreme. Just because the 140 was cut back doesn’t mean the it will happen to the 53... But it’s a gateway and would open the floodgates for TfL to cut routes left, right and centre. There is a place for express routes but they shouldn’t be at the expense of parallel routes that are serving intermediary passengers. The X140 worked but it doesn’t mean it’s success could be easily replicated, particularly in an area of south London so dependent on buses. |
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Post by rjbarrett5 on Mar 12, 2022 20:08:55 GMT
X12 from Oxford Circus to West Croydon?
Oxford Circus, Trafalgar Sq, Westminster, E&C, East Street, Camberwell Grn, Peckham Library, Nigel Road, Dulwich Library, Forest Hill Stn, Sydenham Stn, Penge, Norwood Jctn, and West Croydon
Positives: Links the city with Croydon and Norwood (during the day), restores the old 12
Negatives: Duplicates X68 in the morning and evening peaks, also would be a very long route serving huge traffic hotspots
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2022 20:16:12 GMT
I’d love an X119 or an X269
Bexleyheath, Clock Tower
Bexley, War Memorial
Albany Park, Foots Cray Lane
Sidcup Station
Sidcup, Carlton Road
Sidcup, Queen Mary’s Hospital
Chislehurst, War Memorial
Chislehurst Station
Bickley Station
Bromley, High Street/The Mall
Bromley South Station
Hayes Station
Coney Hall, Addington Road/Glebe Way
West Wickham, High Street
Shirley, Library
Sandilands Tram Stop
East Croydon Station
Croydon, Park Street
South Croydon, Swan & Sugar Loaf
Waddon, Leisure Centre
Purley Way, The Collanades
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Post by WH241 on Mar 12, 2022 20:18:30 GMT
Express routes have their uses but also can have a negative impact especially on busy corridors that have lots of local trips, I am thinking for example along the Romford Road from Ilford towards Stratford where passengers would have to let the express bus go if their stop is not severed by the X route.
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Post by WH241 on Mar 12, 2022 20:20:03 GMT
Probably not but definitely a frequency reduction on both routes. Like I said on the other thread I wouldn't be surprised to see something along the whole route (likely not via Plumstead Common) with the 53 cutting back to New Cross Gate and the 453 Deptford to Oxford Circus. Outside of my local area but from some posts here the 53 and 453 seem busy routes but at the same time a constant target for being cut. |
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Post by joefrombow on Mar 12, 2022 21:49:39 GMT
X25 between Oxford Circus and Ilford? This is needed IMO even with Crossrail as a back up if you like , but from Romford-Oxo or Tottenham Court at least I think it would do well but what do us punters know 😉 |
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Mar 12, 2022 21:50:44 GMT
Doubt it... that’s very extreme. Just because the 140 was cut back doesn’t mean the it will happen to the 53... But it’s a gateway and would open the floodgates for TfL to cut routes left, right and centre. There is a place for express routes but they shouldn’t be at the expense of parallel routes that are serving intermediary passengers. The X140 worked but it doesn’t mean it’s success could be easily replicated, particularly in an area of south London so dependent on buses. But the 278 was also introduced as the southern part for the 140 which was a benefit to the route as a whole as it made new connections and utilised Long lane. So tbf they could just restrucutre the 53 like they did with the 436 creating new links. |
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Post by joefrombow on Mar 12, 2022 21:53:54 GMT
Express routes have their uses but also can have a negative impact especially on busy corridors that have lots of local trips, I am thinking for example along the Romford Road from Ilford towards Stratford where passengers would have to let the express bus go if their stop is not severed by the X route.
Not always look at Uxbridge Road very busy sections and the 607 does well if you had a X25 of sorts could stop at the main points Woodgrange/Manor pk then Forest Gate - Stratford then so on so forth leaving the "normal" 25 to take the slack at the inbetween stops .
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Mar 12, 2022 22:05:48 GMT
Looking at road structure
X16 from Edgware- Marble Arch/ Victoria
X13 Barnet to Victoria/Marble Arch
You could also do something with the 113 corridor as that is relatively straight, and connect it with the 112 part of the NCR. Willesden/Neasden - Edgware/ Barnet via the NCR and Watford way.
Even something with A40 or Great West Road could have an express route linking Heathrow or Hounslow to somewhere central.
There are alot of roads that could facilitate an xpress route if needed. And this compounded with bus priority would be a powerful way in increasing bus speeds and journey times.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Mar 12, 2022 22:07:41 GMT
Express routes have their uses but also can have a negative impact especially on busy corridors that have lots of local trips, I am thinking for example along the Romford Road from Ilford towards Stratford where passengers would have to let the express bus go if their stop is not severed by the X route.
Well that where you would have the standard buses 25 and 86 to fill in. On Uxbridge Rd the 427 and 207 are well used and the 207 is still amongst the top 5 busiest route in london. The 607 is still rammed most of the time as well. If anything from my observations its the opposite. People would rather get the xpress route and leave the standard buses. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 12, 2022 22:10:06 GMT
Looking at road structure X16 from Edgware- Marble Arch/ Victoria X13 Barnet to Victoria/Marble Arch You could also do something with the 113 corridor as that is relatively straight, and connect it with the 112 part of the NCR. Willesden/Neasden - Edgware/ Barnet via the NCR and Watford way. Even something with A40 or Great West Road could have an express route linking Heathrow or Hounslow to somewhere central. There are alot of roads that could facilitate an xpress route if needed. And this compounded with bus priority would be a powerful way in increasing bus speeds and journey times. An X13 might be okay although I'd worry about overbussing the Golders Green to Barnet section, especially north of North Finchley. Perhaps if you wished to achieve something semi-similar you could extend the 460 to Barnet Church, although TFL might deem the A1000 overbussed with the 125 from Finchley Central & the 263 from Barnet to North Finchley? I suspect that's why there is no GG to Barnet link. |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 12, 2022 22:22:42 GMT
But it’s a gateway and would open the floodgates for TfL to cut routes left, right and centre. There is a place for express routes but they shouldn’t be at the expense of parallel routes that are serving intermediary passengers. The X140 worked but it doesn’t mean it’s success could be easily replicated, particularly in an area of south London so dependent on buses. But the 278 was also introduced as the southern part for the 140 which was a benefit to the route as a whole as it made new connections and utilised Long lane. So tbf they could just restrucutre the 53 like they did with the 436 creating new links. The 436 didn't really create links of value in 2016, I understand the situation where property developers wanted it to be diverted to Battersea Power Station & I imagine there are going to be staff when the development eventually opens working there travelling in on the 436 although it is undeniable the 436 was far busier when it reached the West End & I don't think the 53 should be messed with personally, if the 53/453 were going to have an X53 introduced alongside it surely both could drop in freq rather than have stuff diverted away?
Not to mention this plan with the OKR could very well be a stop gap measure perhaps co-inciding with the cancellation of something like the Bakerloo Line Extension temporarily. A bit like how Ken introduced services as a short term measure to allow capacity upgrades to the tube (I imagine the 205 & 414 fall into this category)
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