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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 12, 2022 23:21:05 GMT
So those passengers who either don’t want to go to the express stops or don’t live on it are meant to just lump worse services? The thing with the 607 is that it is very frequent and by definition is a limited stop service, not express. Unless TfL is planning limited stop services that are stopping every three or four stops rather than every few miles like the X26 than okay. But if they are planning genuine express routes like the x26 or x68 TfL shouldn’t lump and in effect abandon intermediary passengers with a worse service to only benefit those long distance passengers. Could you imagine if TfL cut every route the x26 parallels to every 20 minutes and cut the 481 to hourly and used the x26 to justify it? It would be a crisis to all the passengers who aren’t lucky enough to live within its scope. If they has limited stop styled express routes like a 607 that would be good. X140 really act like a limited stop aswell more than a geniune express. X68 stypled express routes would be bad imo. 607 style express routes are the only ones I would accept parallel route frequency reductions on. I would be thoroughly against parallel route frequency reductions in exchange for x26 style express routes. |
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Post by danorak on Mar 13, 2022 0:26:08 GMT
Back in the day I used to use the 53X/X53 occasionally. The problem was it generally got stuck in the same traffic as the ordinary 53. And on the non-stop section on the Old Kent Road, it got held up in the bus lane behind the stopping services. That said, if it reappeared I would probably use it again.
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Post by COBO on Mar 13, 2022 1:23:49 GMT
X29 running between Trafalgar Square and Enfield via route 29 to Wood Green and route 329 to Enfield. Linking Enfield with Central London.
X112 running between Ealing Broadway and Turnpike Lane Station via route 232 to Brent Cross, 112 to Hanger Lane Station, 483 to Ealing Broadway, Spring Bridge Road and Haven Green.
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Post by londonbuschannel on Mar 13, 2022 9:11:52 GMT
X9 running between Victoria (or Aldwych) and Heathrow Terminal 5 via route 52 to Kensington, route 9 to Hammersmith, 267 to Brentford, 237 to Hounslow, 222 to Harlington Corner and 423 to Heathrow Terminal 5. To assist the 237 and to link Heathrow with Central London. X12 running between White City and Dulwich via 148 to Camberwell and 12 to Dulwich. To assist the 12 and 148. X13 running between Barnet Hospital and Victoria via route 263 to North Finchley and 13 to Victoria. To link Barnet with Victoria and to assist the 13. X16 running between Edgware and Victoria via route 32 to Kilburn and 16 to Victoria to assist the 16 and link Edgware with Victoria X18 running between Euston and Harrow Bus Station via 18 to Sudbury and 182 to Harrow Bus Station. To assist the 18 and 182. X65 running between Ealing Broadway and Kingston via route 65 to Kingston. To assist the 65. The X9, while a good idea, would probably be on an oversaturated corridor of routes( given Crossrail,HEX, the Piccadilly and numerous coach routes which run non stop between the various Heathrow Terminals and Central London), but I think it would be quite good for commuters in Hounslow/Brentford looking for a cheaper commute. |
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Mar 13, 2022 9:29:27 GMT
X65 running between Ealing Broadway and Kingston via route 65 to Kingston. To assist the 65. Can’t comment on most of your ideas, but an X65 I think would just get stuck in the same jams as the current 65. I’d much rather have more regular 65s. Agreed. |
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Post by greenboy on Mar 13, 2022 9:39:28 GMT
I can't see the 53X returning especially with Crossrail imminent. If this Old Kent Road express does happen it will probably be no more than Oxford Circus to Deptford or maybe Lewisham with a reduction on the 53 and 453, a good opportunity to reduce the Marylebone section.
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 13, 2022 10:06:53 GMT
I can't see the 53X returning especially with Crossrail imminent. If this Old Kent Road express does happen it will probably be no more than Oxford Circus to Deptford or maybe Lewisham with a reduction on the 53 and 453, a good opportunity to reduce the Marylebone section. But again, that justification for reducing the Marylebone section doesn’t sit right with me. It isn’t okay to reduce a service on a section that wouldn’t be affected by the express service. It wouldn’t be fair for passengers who wouldn’t benefit from an express route to suffer from a worse and less frequent journey. |
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Post by uakari on Mar 13, 2022 11:24:22 GMT
Naturally an express service would take passengers from the standard services, if your going from town centre to town centre. This can be used to justify a frequency reduction. So the southern end of the 140 got a reduction in frequency to 5bph from 7.5-8bph (i believe) in the form of the 278, and the standard 140 routing also got a reduction from Harrow weald to H&H. They could but in this case I don't think an express service is needed. I think a 460 extension would be far better because it is a cheaper alternative without adding more buses onto corridors.
I do wonder whether 5bph extra might be excessive between NF & Barnet though, especially north of Whetstone.
I like the idea of extending the 460 but I also the idea of an X13 from Barnet to Victoria if there was some way of making it work without sacrificing too many other connections. This is because it would be along a straight line corridor serving busy town centres and then into central London, but one that doesn't have a single bus or tube line linking it all the way, which seems ideal for a new express route. Perhaps the 17 could be boosted in frequency and extended to North Finchley to make up for a reduced 263 frequency and the X13 could work similarly to the X68, serving all stops between Barnet Hospital (or Potters Bar) and North Finchley? South of North Finchley it could then call at: - Finchley Central station - Temple Fortune - Golders Green station - Child's Hill (Cricklewood Lane) - Finchley Road station - Swiss Cottage station - St John's Wood (Lord's) - Baker Street station - Selfridges - Marble Arch - Hyde Park Corner - Victoria |
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 13, 2022 11:27:34 GMT
They could but in this case I don't think an express service is needed. I think a 460 extension would be far better because it is a cheaper alternative without adding more buses onto corridors.
I do wonder whether 5bph extra might be excessive between NF & Barnet though, especially north of Whetstone.
I like the idea of extending the 460 but I also the idea of an X13 from Barnet to Victoria if there was some way of making it work without sacrificing too many other connections. This is because it would be along a straight line corridor serving busy town centres and then into central London, but one that doesn't have a single bus or tube line linking it all the way, which seems ideal for a new express route. Perhaps the 17 could be extended to North Finchley to make up for a reduced 263 frequency and the X13 could work similarly to the X68, serving all stops between Barnet Hospital (or Potters Bar) and North Finchley? South of North Finchley it could then call at: - Finchley Central station - Temple Fortune - Golders Green station - Child's Hill (Cricklewood Lane) - Finchley Road station - Swiss Cottage station - St John's Wood (Lord's) - Baker Street station - Selfridges - Marble Arch - Hyde Park Corner - Victoria As I’ve said there is a lot of cross North Finchley demand & you also end up with a reduced frequency on the Holloway Road of which has already seen reductions on the 43 & plenty of other services. I support express services but as southlondon413 pointed out you should not be sacrificing services frequencies. Take this from someone who regularly uses the 263. |
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Post by uakari on Mar 13, 2022 11:33:37 GMT
I like the idea of extending the 460 but I also the idea of an X13 from Barnet to Victoria if there was some way of making it work without sacrificing too many other connections. This is because it would be along a straight line corridor serving busy town centres and then into central London, but one that doesn't have a single bus or tube line linking it all the way, which seems ideal for a new express route. Perhaps the 17 could be extended to North Finchley to make up for a reduced 263 frequency and the X13 could work similarly to the X68, serving all stops between Barnet Hospital (or Potters Bar) and North Finchley? South of North Finchley it could then call at: - Finchley Central station - Temple Fortune - Golders Green station - Child's Hill (Cricklewood Lane) - Finchley Road station - Swiss Cottage station - St John's Wood (Lord's) - Baker Street station - Selfridges - Marble Arch - Hyde Park Corner - Victoria As I’ve said there is a lot of cross North Finchley demand & you also end up with a reduced frequency on the Holloway Road of which has already seen reductions on the 43 & plenty of other services. I support express services but as southlondon413 pointed out you should not be sacrificing services frequencies. Take this from someone who regularly uses the 263. Even if they increased the frequency on the 17 and extended it to North Finchley? Or maybe the X13 could be quite low frequency eg every 30 minutes and people could plan around it because it would still be quicker than other routes? Then you wouldn't have to reduce anything else. I don't know if or how I would do it; I just like the idea of Barnet to Golders Green and Victoria if it could be made to work. |
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Post by ServerKing on Mar 13, 2022 11:36:13 GMT
X27 from Ealing Broadway to Ilford via Palmers Green, Wood Green and Walthamstow, following route 112 and 232 towards Palmers Green, then following route 123 from Wood Green towards Ilford. Using refurbished E200s from the 318  |
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Post by ian on Mar 13, 2022 11:36:27 GMT
Perhaps rather than thinking of X versions of existing routes, they could think more radically. E.g. where there are fast roads that would help a bus run in a much more express way, and shift people e.g. from new developments. So (off top of my head relating to areas I know) something from the new Colindale/Grahame Park, down the A41, maybe including new Brent Cross Town, then straight to the West End?
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Post by LondonNorthern on Mar 13, 2022 11:40:47 GMT
As I’ve said there is a lot of cross North Finchley demand & you also end up with a reduced frequency on the Holloway Road of which has already seen reductions on the 43 & plenty of other services. I support express services but as southlondon413 pointed out you should not be sacrificing services frequencies. Take this from someone who regularly uses the 263. Even if they increased the frequency on the 17 and extended it to North Finchley? Or maybe the X13 could be quite low frequency eg every 30 minutes and people could plan around it because it would still be quicker than other routes? Then you wouldn't have to reduce anything else. I don't know if or how I would do it; I just like the idea of Barnet to Golders Green and Victoria if it could be made to work. An X13 every 30 minutes would be more reasonable yes & in a way I would support that providing the 263 remains at its current frequency. The reason why I am so against however having an every 20 minute service down to East Finchley is because there are large crowds of people that board there, and a great number disband past North Finchley up the Great North Road, especially from the Great North Leisure Park & also hospital demand from FMH, of which the 17 would NOT compensate for. There are also more personal reasons certainly that I know of behind why some people board at East Finchley & that is because of the steepness of Barnet Hill meaning that they would struggle leaving High Barnet Station walking up to the bus stop & until that issue is fixed I think there is still a case for the 263 to have a full service running through to High Barnet. My worry is more on the Highbury section of which sees very high usage up to Archway, with the 271 soon to be killed off & the 43 freq reduction the 6bph on the 263 is still needed. I can’t see a 17 freq increase because of it reaching Central London, and that’s already seen a cut. |
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Post by WH241 on Mar 13, 2022 11:44:33 GMT
X27 from Ealing Broadway to Ilford via Palmers Green, Wood Green and Walthamstow, following route 112 and 232 towards Palmers Green, then following route 123 from Wood Green towards Ilford. Using refurbished E200s from the 318 Joking aside it’s a shame traffic is so heavy on the A13 and A406 during the peaks as you could do things like Canning Town to Ilford or towards Dagenham. |
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Post by uakari on Mar 13, 2022 11:47:20 GMT
Even if they increased the frequency on the 17 and extended it to North Finchley? Or maybe the X13 could be quite low frequency eg every 30 minutes and people could plan around it because it would still be quicker than other routes? Then you wouldn't have to reduce anything else. I don't know if or how I would do it; I just like the idea of Barnet to Golders Green and Victoria if it could be made to work. An X13 every 30 minutes would be more reasonable yes & in a way I would support that providing the 263 remains at its current frequency. The reason why I am so against however having an every 20 minute service down to East Finchley is because there are large crowds of people that board there, and a great number disband past North Finchley up the Great North Road, of which the 17 would NOT compensate for. There are also more personal reasons certainly that I know of behind why some people board at East Finchley & that is because of the steepness of Barnet Hill meaning that they would struggle leaving High Barnet Station walking up to the bus stop & until that issue is fixed I think there is still a case for the 263 to have a full service running through to High Barnet. My worry is more on the Highbury section of which sees very high usage up to Archway, with the 271 soon to be killed off & the 43 freq reduction the 6bph on the 263 is still needed. I can’t see a 17 freq increase because of it reaching Central London, and that’s already seen a cut. Do you think people would use an X13 every 30 minutes if it were reliable and ran all day? If the 263 would stay at the same frequency do you think the X13 should be express all the way or just express south of North Finchley? If the latter, could it make up for the lost 84 and run from Potters Bar? |
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