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Post by M1104 on Aug 18, 2022 0:37:34 GMT
Between the Streatham and Crystal Palace areas I believe the 249, 417 and N137 leave Lambeth into Croydon then back into Lambeth. By chance does the 417/N137 upon leaving Crystal Palace enter Croydon then into Lambeth at Central Hill then back into Croydon at Crown Point then back into Lambeth before Leigham Court Road? I'm open to corrections on any errors. That 417/N137 question is a good and tricky one, because at Crown Point, it doesn’t use Knights Hill or Beulah Hill, which are both in different boroughs. Towards Clapham/Oxford Circus, I’d say they enter Croydon at Westow Street/Church Road, then enter Lambeth at Crown Point when they join the 249. Central Hill I’m pretty sure is Croydon, however, Crown Dale, I’m not entirely sure If the older streetlights were still about for both boroughs i'd have a better indication of their borderlines, baring in mind that doesn't always give accuracy of the boundaries. |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 18, 2022 3:39:08 GMT
That 417/N137 question is a good and tricky one, because at Crown Point, it doesn’t use Knights Hill or Beulah Hill, which are both in different boroughs. Towards Clapham/Oxford Circus, I’d say they enter Croydon at Westow Street/Church Road, then enter Lambeth at Crown Point when they join the 249. Central Hill I’m pretty sure is Croydon, however, Crown Dale, I’m not entirely sure If the older streetlights were still about for both boroughs i'd have a better indication of their borderlines, baring in mind that doesn't always give accuracy of the boundaries. There was a boundary change somewhere in the 00's where the border between Croydon & Lambeth was moved slightly - prior to this, Crown Dale to Westow Hill was all split between Lambeth & Croydon where they shared one side of the road and one pavement between each other. You could tell this from the 60's right till the late 90's as the lampposts had different liveries marking out the two boroughs (silver for Croydon on the southern side and white with blue bases for Lambeth on the northern side) - ironically, both boroughs chose the exact same columns and lampposts back in the 60's when the road was re-lit. In the late 90's, both boroughs replaced the 60's built lampposts with their own (still silver for Croydon whilst Lambeth went with mainly grey ones) - getting back to the borough boundary, sometime between this point and Lambeth's PFI lighting scheme in 2008, the borough boundary was altered so that Westow Hill & Central Hill roads became fully Croydon (pavements remained as they were) and Crown Dale & Crown Lane roads became fully Lambeth (pavements remained as they were). Apologies for going slightly off topic but I thought it might be of some interest to someone |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 18, 2022 6:01:32 GMT
If the older streetlights were still about for both boroughs i'd have a better indication of their borderlines, baring in mind that doesn't always give accuracy of the boundaries. There was a boundary change somewhere in the 00's where the border between Croydon & Lambeth was moved slightly - prior to this, Crown Dale to Westow Hill was all split between Lambeth & Croydon where they shared one side of the road and one pavement between each other. You could tell this from the 60's right till the late 90's as the lampposts had different liveries marking out the two boroughs (silver for Croydon on the southern side and white with blue bases for Lambeth on the northern side) - ironically, both boroughs chose the exact same columns and lampposts back in the 60's when the road was re-lit. In the late 90's, both boroughs replaced the 60's built lampposts with their own (still silver for Croydon whilst Lambeth went with mainly grey ones) - getting back to the borough boundary, sometime between this point and Lambeth's PFI lighting scheme in 2008, the borough boundary was altered so that Westow Hill & Central Hill roads became fully Croydon (pavements remained as they were) and Crown Dale & Crown Lane roads became fully Lambeth (pavements remained as they were). Apologies for going slightly off topic but I thought it might be of some interest to someone So does Croydon now install lighting on Lambeth pavements and vice versa? |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 18, 2022 8:40:12 GMT
That 417/N137 question is a good and tricky one. Towards Clapham/Oxford Circus, I’d say they enter Croydon at Westow Hill/Street, then enter Lambeth at Crown Point when they join the 249. Central Hill I’m pretty sure is Croydon, however, Crown Dale, I’m not entirely sure So I wouldn’t say that they enter Lambeth or Croydon twice. However, 249 does towards Anerley. It enters Lambeth at Streatham, then Croydon at Crown Point, then Lambeth again on Westow Hill and then continues off into Bromley The 249 enters Lambeth twice between Streatham and Clapham Common too so towards Anerley Station it enters Lambeth twice. Tooting Bec is Wandsworth |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 18, 2022 8:42:01 GMT
Between the Streatham and Crystal Palace areas I believe the 249, 417 and N137 leave Lambeth into Croydon then back into Lambeth. By chance does the 417/N137 upon leaving Crystal Palace enter Croydon then into Lambeth at Central Hill then back into Croydon at Crown Point then back into Lambeth before Leigham Court Road? I'm open to corrections on any errors. That 417/N137 question is a good and tricky one, because at Crown Point, it doesn’t use Knights Hill or Beulah Hill, which are both in different boroughs. Towards Clapham/Oxford Circus, I’d say they enter Croydon at Westow Street/Church Road, then enter Lambeth at Crown Point when they join the 249. Central Hill I’m pretty sure is Croydon, however, Crown Dale, I’m not entirely sure Central Hill is two different boroughs on both sides. If the bus stops are on that pavement are in another borough as far as I’m aware it serves that borough even if it’s on the borderline. |
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Aug 18, 2022 9:36:40 GMT
So I wouldn’t say that they enter Lambeth or Croydon twice. However, 249 does towards Anerley. It enters Lambeth at Streatham, then Croydon at Crown Point, then Lambeth again on Westow Hill and then continues off into Bromley The 249 enters Lambeth twice between Streatham and Clapham Common too so towards Anerley Station it enters Lambeth twice. Tooting Bec is Wandsworth im only just realising that Clapham is in Lambeth. I thought it was in Wandsworth. So that means the 249 enters Lambeth three times towards Anerley and twice towards Clapham |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 18, 2022 9:39:17 GMT
The 249 enters Lambeth twice between Streatham and Clapham Common too so towards Anerley Station it enters Lambeth twice. Tooting Bec is Wandsworth im only just realising that Clapham is in Lambeth. I thought it was in Wandsworth. So that means the 249 enters Lambeth three times towards Anerley and twice towards Clapham Clapham Junction is in Wandsworth, Clapham is mostly in Lambeth. |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 18, 2022 9:54:27 GMT
The 249 enters Lambeth twice between Streatham and Clapham Common too so towards Anerley Station it enters Lambeth twice. Tooting Bec is Wandsworth im only just realising that Clapham is in Lambeth. I thought it was in Wandsworth. So that means the 249 enters Lambeth three times towards Anerley and twice towards Clapham It does not enter 3 times because it starts in Lambeth at Clapham Common, however it serves the borough of Lambeth 3 times towards Anerley. |
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Post by M1104 on Aug 18, 2022 11:32:21 GMT
The 249 enters Lambeth twice between Streatham and Clapham Common too so towards Anerley Station it enters Lambeth twice. Tooting Bec is Wandsworth im only just realising that Clapham is in Lambeth. I thought it was in Wandsworth. So that means the 249 enters Lambeth three times towards Anerley and twice towards Clapham Clapham South tube station comes under the borough of Wandsworth, as does part of Clapham Common. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 18, 2022 11:50:26 GMT
im only just realising that Clapham is in Lambeth. I thought it was in Wandsworth. So that means the 249 enters Lambeth three times towards Anerley and twice towards Clapham Clapham South tube station comes under the borough of Wandsworth, as does part of Clapham Common. Although fun fact the entire Common is managed by Lambeth. |
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Post by rift on Aug 18, 2022 13:35:26 GMT
im only just realising that Clapham is in Lambeth. I thought it was in Wandsworth. So that means the 249 enters Lambeth three times towards Anerley and twice towards Clapham It does not enter 3 times because it starts in Lambeth at Clapham Common, however it serves the borough of Lambeth 3 times towards Anerley. Buses starting from Anerley enter Lambeth 3 times at the Triangle, Crown Point and Clapham Common |
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Post by vjaska on Aug 18, 2022 14:08:49 GMT
The 249 enters Lambeth twice between Streatham and Clapham Common too so towards Anerley Station it enters Lambeth twice. Tooting Bec is Wandsworth im only just realising that Clapham is in Lambeth. I thought it was in Wandsworth. So that means the 249 enters Lambeth three times towards Anerley and twice towards Clapham Clapham used to be part of Wandsworth but it & Streatham became part of Lambeth in the 60's when the current boroughs were formed with Wandsworth gaining the former borough of Battersea. There are still small remnants of Wandsworth within Streatham & Clapham in the form of the odd concrete column still standing or a few old street name signs still in place |
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Post by DT 11 on Aug 18, 2022 14:31:22 GMT
It does not enter 3 times because it starts in Lambeth at Clapham Common, however it serves the borough of Lambeth 3 times towards Anerley. Buses starting from Anerley enter Lambeth 3 times at the Triangle, Crown Point and Clapham Common Church Road is all Croydon Council. 249 Enters Lambeth at Crown Point |
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