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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 26, 2022 11:33:16 GMT
Going to quickly jot it down to save members the trip to twitter! Buses per hour: 3, 6, 13, 15, 17, 23, 26, 27, 43, 47, 49, 53, 56, 59, 77, 88, 91, 98, 100, 113, 133, 139, 148, 171, 189, 211, 236, 254, 277, 279, 283, 319, 328, 345, 388, 430, 476, C10= unchanged Increases: 19 (6 > 7) 22 (6 > 7.5) 259 (6 > 7.5) 272 (4 > 5) 414 (7.5 > 8) C1 (4 > 5) Decreases: 35 (8 > 7.5) 135 (6 > 5) 205 (6.7 > 6) 214 (8 > 6) 507 (7.5 > 6) D3 (5 > 4) The 205 and C1 already operate at the proposed frequencies I don’t believe the C1 has been increased, unless it was a while back.
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Post by MoEnviro on Jun 26, 2022 11:43:14 GMT
The 205 and C1 already operate at the proposed frequencies I don’t believe the C1 has been increased, unless it was a while back. Looks like the C1 currently operates every 13 mins, I think it was proposed to be reduced to every 15 but hasn't happened?
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Post by abellion on Jun 26, 2022 11:48:21 GMT
I thought it was notable that a small decrease is planned on the 35. I welcome that which might sound weird coming from a pro bus user but the frequency increase it got when the 40 was diverted over the 45's northern section was unnecessary south of Elephant and has left the route with buses constantly bunching, something that was very rare before the increase. In fact, I witnessed 3 35's running together yesterday which is practically unheard of only a few years back There will be overcrowding on the northern end though. Cutting the 43 and 47, diverting the 133 away from Liverpool Street and diverting the 388 away from London Bridge will all cause people to pile onto the 35 instead, which is bad since it's already very busy. If TfL were willing to do shorts like the 221 years ago or the 38 now there could be Brixton - Shoreditch ones to help with the loss of the 43, 45, 47 and 388. I always thought the 35/37 corridor was busy but if it's just empty buses bunching now then I guess there's no need to go to Clapham.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 26, 2022 11:55:40 GMT
I don’t believe the C1 has been increased, unless it was a while back. Looks like the C1 currently operates every 13 mins, I think it was proposed to be reduced to every 15 but hasn't happened? According to this document the C1 is going from 4BPH to 5bph, however it looks like it has been operating at 5bph (or close enough) for a while. Perhaps this was a typo and they are proposing to reduce it to 4BPH as you say?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 12:20:06 GMT
Looks like the C1 currently operates every 13 mins, I think it was proposed to be reduced to every 15 but hasn't happened? According to this document the C1 is going from 4BPH to 5bph, however it looks like it has been operating at 5bph (or close enough) for a while. Perhaps this was a typo and they are proposing to reduce it to 4BPH as you say? I think it will be standardised at x12 mins to assist with loss of 74 ? Will probably need an extra bus in the schedule to achieve that.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 26, 2022 13:36:44 GMT
I welcome that which might sound weird coming from a pro bus user but the frequency increase it got when the 40 was diverted over the 45's northern section was unnecessary south of Elephant and has left the route with buses constantly bunching, something that was very rare before the increase. In fact, I witnessed 3 35's running together yesterday which is practically unheard of only a few years back There will be overcrowding on the northern end though. Cutting the 43 and 47, diverting the 133 away from Liverpool Street and diverting the 388 away from London Bridge will all cause people to pile onto the 35 instead, which is bad since it's already very busy. If TfL were willing to do shorts like the 221 years ago or the 38 now there could be Brixton - Shoreditch ones to help with the loss of the 43, 45, 47 and 388. I always thought the 35/37 corridor was busy but if it's just empty buses bunching now then I guess there's no need to go to Clapham. The 35/37 corridor is busy but increasing the 35 hasn't really worked as the 37 remains busy whilst 35's are emptier now they are more frequent. Really, it's the 37 that should have the frequency increase given it's one of the few east to west links across South London and probably the busiest one of them all.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 27, 2022 10:24:05 GMT
Playing straight into the governments hands. It isn’t chance that TfL have selected low numbered , iconic routes, three of which pass Downing Street for withdrawal. ( four if you include the 3’s diversion ) If Khan presses ahead, the government will call him out on it, the letter is the opening shot.The labour mayor who cancelled the pensioners bus , poke fun at him about his “son of a bus driver” routine. Khans response shows how pointless their consultation is. Another waste of money right there. I cant help but think buses are caught in the middle. The easiest option to fiddle with, involves no directly employed TfL people. If Khan said we will be opening up the tube lines for tender , or close the Metropolitan line north of Rickmansworth, Piccadilly Line west of Rayners Lane, Central Line north of Loughton, close the Waterloo and City Line, close Bakerloo line north of Stonebridge Park.... what would happen then ? Khan has been rinsing Londoners for years, latest wheeze is a fine if a motorist veers into a cycle lane, anything to get more money into the coffers, yet there is duplication such as on the Bakerloo line and Overground towards Harrow and Wealdstone, Picadilly Line and Metropolitan Line past Rayners Lane... but it's stuff like the Cable Car, the riverbus, the botched handling of Hammersmith Bridge, moving from City Hall to Stratford at great cost under the cover of lockdown... those kind of things all add up. Buses around Croxley and Rickmansworth are as rare as West Ham United's trips to Europe, the 724 may be hourly at best. So the tube reaching out to the area and beyond is some sort of reliable transport. Even though it may be an area of higher car use due to affluence, it's not like the duplicated bus routes, or now routes that don't make sense or are spoiled like the 279's new destination and the 4 disappearing. Khan leaves his minions to run everything whilst he is at high profile football matches or other events, I can’t remember the last time I saw him on the news like Boris or Ken used to be. All politicians are terrible but Khan has been the worst Mayor by far. As for cutting the Central Line, it's not worth it. The issues are with the ever complex bus network. I think services should be reduced when less demand in the daytime once people are at work (have seen lines of empty 73s in Oxford Street) and increased when people need them for rush hour. Return speeds to 30 and cut roadworks and things will pick up... Another place where there is duplication is Canning Town-Stratford between the DLR and Jubilee Line. From my experience some of the DLR stations along that stretch aren't especially busy (though I'm no expert as I'm not an East Londoner) though it provides a handy link from that part of East London down towards Woolwich Arsenal. I know during events at the excel centre they run West Ham shorts and I wonder if terminating every other train there at certain times of day could be an option.
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Post by Trafalgax on Jun 27, 2022 10:33:54 GMT
TFL say the Finsbury Park to Holloway section are underused on the 254, but surely it doesn't pick up less than 153?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 27, 2022 11:07:58 GMT
TFL say the Finsbury Park to Holloway section are underused on the 254, but surely it doesn't pick up less than 153? Probably doesn't but the 254 has a long section with the 253 which will maintain alot of the links from Holloway whereas the the 153 would probably break more local links.
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Post by route53 on Jun 27, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
Khan has been rinsing Londoners for years, latest wheeze is a fine if a motorist veers into a cycle lane, anything to get more money into the coffers, yet there is duplication such as on the Bakerloo line and Overground towards Harrow and Wealdstone, Picadilly Line and Metropolitan Line past Rayners Lane... but it's stuff like the Cable Car, the riverbus, the botched handling of Hammersmith Bridge, moving from City Hall to Stratford at great cost under the cover of lockdown... those kind of things all add up. Buses around Croxley and Rickmansworth are as rare as West Ham United's trips to Europe, the 724 may be hourly at best. So the tube reaching out to the area and beyond is some sort of reliable transport. Even though it may be an area of higher car use due to affluence, it's not like the duplicated bus routes, or now routes that don't make sense or are spoiled like the 279's new destination and the 4 disappearing. Khan leaves his minions to run everything whilst he is at high profile football matches or other events, I can’t remember the last time I saw him on the news like Boris or Ken used to be. All politicians are terrible but Khan has been the worst Mayor by far. As for cutting the Central Line, it's not worth it. The issues are with the ever complex bus network. I think services should be reduced when less demand in the daytime once people are at work (have seen lines of empty 73s in Oxford Street) and increased when people need them for rush hour. Return speeds to 30 and cut roadworks and things will pick up... Another place where there is duplication is Canning Town-Stratford between the DLR and Jubilee Line. From my experience some of the DLR stations along that stretch aren't especially busy (though I'm no expert as I'm not an East Londoner) though it provides a handy link from that part of East London down towards Woolwich Arsenal. I know during events at the excel centre they run West Ham shorts and I wonder if terminating every other train there at certain times of day could be an option. This section of the DLR may not be super busy but it’s handy as a local stopping service between Stratford & Canning Town (The Jubilee runs fast calling only at West Ham en route) and as you say it links these areas up with railway interchanges at Stratford, West Ham & Woolwich Arsenal
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Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2022 18:15:44 GMT
The consultation has been extended from July 12th to August 7th
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Post by londonboy71 on Jun 28, 2022 19:57:31 GMT
There will be overcrowding on the northern end though. Cutting the 43 and 47, diverting the 133 away from Liverpool Street and diverting the 388 away from London Bridge will all cause people to pile onto the 35 instead, which is bad since it's already very busy. If TfL were willing to do shorts like the 221 years ago or the 38 now there could be Brixton - Shoreditch ones to help with the loss of the 43, 45, 47 and 388. I always thought the 35/37 corridor was busy but if it's just empty buses bunching now then I guess there's no need to go to Clapham. The 35/37 corridor is busy but increasing the 35 hasn't really worked as the 37 remains busy whilst 35's are emptier now they are more frequent. Really, it's the 37 that should have the frequency increase given it's one of the few east to west links across South London and probably the busiest one of them all. What is a pro bus user?you get paid?
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 28, 2022 20:49:49 GMT
The 35/37 corridor is busy but increasing the 35 hasn't really worked as the 37 remains busy whilst 35's are emptier now they are more frequent. Really, it's the 37 that should have the frequency increase given it's one of the few east to west links across South London and probably the busiest one of them all. What is a pro bus user?you get paid? Can't see where you are getting this from, but assume he is talking about the tracking app
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Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2022 22:58:50 GMT
What is a pro bus user?you get paid? Can't see where you are getting this from, but assume he is talking about the tracking app I'm lost - do you have an idea why is he quoting my post about the 35 & 37 and mentioning pro bus user which I never said in that post?
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Post by Busboy105 on Jun 28, 2022 23:04:36 GMT
The consultation has been extended from July 12th to August 7th TFL needs more time to come up with even more ridiculous proposals
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