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Post by rif153 on Sept 19, 2022 12:33:30 GMT
Are you proposing to change the 328 as part of these proposals? TFL have deemed one route adequate been Chelsea and Earls Court and I think they're right on that. There's also the problems of severing links to Fulham Broadway and although only a short stretch, traffic on the A4. What links to Fulham Broadway? 295 covers Hammersmith to Fulham Broadway and 306 doesn't go far enough into Acton to be counted as Acton to Fulham I regularly use the 306 to go to/from Hammersmith or Fulham and there are often plenty of people changing between the likes of the 207/607 and 306 at the Vale. You're underplaying the utility of the cross Hammersmith link it provides which is more popular than you suggest and would replace it with useless links to places no one wants to go to just for the sake of withdrawing the C3.
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Post by LondonExplorer316 on Sept 19, 2022 13:27:24 GMT
What links to Fulham Broadway? 295 covers Hammersmith to Fulham Broadway and 306 doesn't go far enough into Acton to be counted as Acton to Fulham I regularly use the 306 to go to/from Hammersmith or Fulham and there are often plenty of people changing between the likes of the 207/607 and 306 at the Vale. You're underplaying the utility of the cross Hammersmith link it provides which is more popular than you suggest and would replace it with useless links to places no one wants to go to just for the sake of withdrawing the C3. In essence the only link lost is Hammersmith to North End Road, a very underused link and if people want Fulham Broadway, they can change from 607/207 at Shepherds Bush, so not really a problem
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Post by transportizm on Sept 19, 2022 14:53:27 GMT
I regularly use the 306 to go to/from Hammersmith or Fulham and there are often plenty of people changing between the likes of the 207/607 and 306 at the Vale. You're underplaying the utility of the cross Hammersmith link it provides which is more popular than you suggest and would replace it with useless links to places no one wants to go to just for the sake of withdrawing the C3. In essence the only link lost is Hammersmith to North End Road, a very underused link and if people want Fulham Broadway, they can change from 607/207 at Shepherds Bush, so not really a problem Hammersmith and North End Road is a very popular link especially the elderly, I have seen mostly to get to the market on a Saturday.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 19, 2022 19:06:42 GMT
I regularly use the 306 to go to/from Hammersmith or Fulham and there are often plenty of people changing between the likes of the 207/607 and 306 at the Vale. You're underplaying the utility of the cross Hammersmith link it provides which is more popular than you suggest and would replace it with useless links to places no one wants to go to just for the sake of withdrawing the C3. In essence the only link lost is Hammersmith to North End Road, a very underused link and if people want Fulham Broadway, they can change from 607/207 at Shepherds Bush, so not really a problem The link from the Vale and Askew Road to North End Road and Fulham has more value than you give it credit for and is a more convenient option than changing to the 295 at Shepherds Bush.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 21, 2022 8:04:44 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common.
In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 21, 2022 8:34:27 GMT
The 328 is already so long. Going over Battersea bridge will kill that route. I agree, but the 27 to Chalk Farm would be very long too going to Clapham Junction The 27 could be cut back to Warren Street to compensate. There's enough routes between Warren Street and Chalk Farm
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Post by ADH45258 on Sept 21, 2022 9:00:51 GMT
I agree, but the 27 to Chalk Farm would be very long too going to Clapham Junction The 27 could be cut back to Warren Street to compensate. There's enough routes between Warren Street and Chalk Farm Or even Baker Street using the current 74 stand, with the 274 available towards Camden?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 21, 2022 11:56:42 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common. In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing There is no need to cut anything back at Acton to fit the 218 in as there is space on Horn Lane
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 21, 2022 13:51:07 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common. In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing There is no need to cut anything back at Acton to fit the 218 in as there is space on Horn Lane Oh ok I didn't know that then the 427 doesn't need to be cut back (I wouldn't normally advocate for a cut on the 427 since it is needed on that corridor)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2022 15:19:54 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common. In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing Good plan in my opinion.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 21, 2022 17:38:59 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common. In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing I would send the 306 up to Wembley via the 440 then trim the 440 back to Central Middlesex Hospital and reroute it via West Acton. This seems the best of both worlds because Acton retains its direct Wembley link and West Acton regains important links to amenities in Park Royal such as the hospital and the ASDA. Part of the rationale behind the 440 changes was to give South Acton and Chiswick better links to Crossrail and I do think the change has been a success north of Bollo Lane though once OOC opens provided there's a decent Overground-Liz Line interchange it shouldn't matter so much. The 218 to Putney is quite an intriguing idea - I really like the link across Hammersmith the 306 provides and no doubt your proposed 218 would be great too saving me having to change to the 220 all the time. I would question if two routes are needed from the centre of Acton to Hammersmith though.
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Post by aaron1 on Sept 21, 2022 17:46:21 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common. In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing I would send the 306 up to Wembley via the 440 then trim the 440 back to Central Middlesex Hospital and reroute it via West Acton. This seems the best of both worlds because Acton retains its direct Wembley link and West Acton regains important links to amenities in Park Royal such as the hospital and the ASDA. Part of the rationale behind the 440 changes was to give South Acton and Chiswick better links to Crossrail and I do think the change has been a success north of Bollo Lane though once OOC opens provided there's a decent Overground-Liz Line interchange it shouldn't matter so much. The 218 to Putney is quite an intriguing idea - I really like the link across Hammersmith the 306 provides and no doubt your proposed 218 would be great too saving me having to change to the 220 all the time. I would question if two routes are needed from the centre of Acton to Hammersmith though. I think it just be better just to merge 218 and 306 so it be Acton to Fulham route maybe route 440 via West Acton as I think a Wembley to Fulham maybe a bit long but since routes are getting long then it could gift it a go
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 21, 2022 17:58:29 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common. In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing I would send the 306 up to Wembley via the 440 then trim the 440 back to Central Middlesex Hospital and reroute it via West Acton. This seems the best of both worlds because Acton retains its direct Wembley link and West Acton regains important links to amenities in Park Royal such as the hospital and the ASDA. Part of the rationale behind the 440 changes was to give South Acton and Chiswick better links to Crossrail and I do think the change has been a success north of Bollo Lane though once OOC opens provided there's a decent Overground-Liz Line interchange it shouldn't matter so much. The 218 to Putney is quite an intriguing idea - I really like the link across Hammersmith the 306 provides and no doubt your proposed 218 would be great too saving me having to change to the 220 all the time. I would question if two routes are needed from the centre of Acton to Hammersmith though. Ideally I'd send the 218 to Roehampton over the 72 between Hammersmith and Roehampton but that's not possible due to the bridge closure. An Acton - Roehampton link would provide some decent links across the river on both sides, but feel like it would be more for short journeys. Alternatively the old 419 could merge with part of the 218 to create an Acton - Richmond link but I feel if there was demand between Acton and Richmond it would be better via the E3, North Circular road and 65 to Richmond
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Post by rif153 on Sept 21, 2022 20:20:39 GMT
I would send the 306 up to Wembley via the 440 then trim the 440 back to Central Middlesex Hospital and reroute it via West Acton. This seems the best of both worlds because Acton retains its direct Wembley link and West Acton regains important links to amenities in Park Royal such as the hospital and the ASDA. Part of the rationale behind the 440 changes was to give South Acton and Chiswick better links to Crossrail and I do think the change has been a success north of Bollo Lane though once OOC opens provided there's a decent Overground-Liz Line interchange it shouldn't matter so much. The 218 to Putney is quite an intriguing idea - I really like the link across Hammersmith the 306 provides and no doubt your proposed 218 would be great too saving me having to change to the 220 all the time. I would question if two routes are needed from the centre of Acton to Hammersmith though. Ideally I'd send the 218 to Roehampton over the 72 between Hammersmith and Roehampton but that's not possible due to the bridge closure. An Acton - Roehampton link would provide some decent links across the river on both sides, but feel like it would be more for short journeys. Alternatively the old 419 could merge with part of the 218 to create an Acton - Richmond link but I feel if there was demand between Acton and Richmond it would be better via the E3, North Circular road and 65 to Richmond The 440 changes in Chiswick have been a disaster and it would make more sense to utillise that routing through the business park to provide an orbital connection, the route isn't well used south of Bollo Lane anymore - the 110 or H91 could be diverted via Wellesley Road to compensate. I think an Acton-Brentford link would be more useful as there's already the Overground for Acton-Richmond journeys. On the point about Roehampton I'd like to see the 430 extended to restore some of the links the 72 used to provide as well as support the 220. The 49 could then be left alone. Perhaps the following restructure could happen: 72 withdrawn 110 rerouted between Gunnersbury and Turnham Green via Wellesley Road 283 extended to Hammersmith Bridge 306 extended to Wembley via existing 440 routing 430 withdrawn between Fulham Palace Road and South Kensington. Extended to East Acton via routes 190/211/220/295 and route 72. 440 withdrawn between Wembley and Central Middlesex Hospital. Rerouted between Gyspy Corner and Steyne Road via West Acton. Withdrawn between Gunnersbury station and Turnham Green Church, extended to Brentford County Court via routes 237 and 267.
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Post by CircleLineofLife on Sept 22, 2022 13:17:28 GMT
Regarding the 306 I'd like to see it extended on both ends - on the south end to Wandsworth - this would give Imperial Wharf a link to Wandsworth. Then on the north end I'd extend to Acton High Street or North Acton via the 266, this retains the direct link from North Acton to Hammersmith. However I think 3 routes on Horn Lane is excessive, so I'd reroute the 440 via West Acton (returning their Chiswick and Park Royal link), and withdrawn the 218 between Acton and North Acton (3 routes between Acton and North Acton are enough). Then it would extend to Putney High Street to support the 220, and this also allows the 218 to be decked. For stand space the 427 will be cut back to Ealing Broadway/Common. In summary: 306 North Acton to Wandsworth 218 Acton to Putney 440 diverted via West Acton 427 Uxbridge to Ealing If you extend the 218 to Putney via 220. The 74 is already cut on Fulham Palace Road. So would it need another double decker?
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