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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 10, 2022 14:21:02 GMT
Yellow notices are up at all stops now about the 209, 378 and 533 starting next Saturday.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 10, 2022 14:38:04 GMT
Yellow notices are up at all stops now about the 209, 378 and 533 starting next Saturday. What was the point in public engagement until the 15th of the changes were going ahead regardless. Just a tick box exercise?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 10, 2022 16:58:07 GMT
Yellow notices are up at all stops now about the 209, 378 and 533 starting next Saturday. What was the point in public engagement until the 15th of the changes were going ahead regardless. Just a tick box exercise? Pretty much. I expect TFL will say when the consultation closes that they will continue to keep the area under review in lieu of the comments. As it goes whilst the freqs will be a little less attractive these are not the worst set of changes that could happen. The only thing that would have been good is if the a little of the saving to the 209/378 could go to maintain a 15 mins frequent.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 10, 2022 18:30:16 GMT
What was the point in public engagement until the 15th of the changes were going ahead regardless. Just a tick box exercise? Pretty much. I expect TFL will say when the consultation closes that they will continue to keep the area under review in lieu of the comments. As it goes whilst the freqs will be a little less attractive these are not the worst set of changes that could happen. The only thing that would have been good is if the a little of the saving to the 209/378 could go to maintain a 15 mins frequent. If the main objections are to the frequency decreases and there are problems when the new services start operating then the frequencies could be adjusted to better reflect demand as they have been before on these routes.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 10, 2022 18:38:57 GMT
Pretty much. I expect TFL will say when the consultation closes that they will continue to keep the area under review in lieu of the comments. As it goes whilst the freqs will be a little less attractive these are not the worst set of changes that could happen. The only thing that would have been good is if the a little of the saving to the 209/378 could go to maintain a 15 mins frequent. If the main objections are to the frequency decreases and there are problems when the new services start operating then the frequencies could be adjusted to better reflect demand as they have been before on these routes. There probably won't be issues when the new services because likely, people will simply flock to alternative modes instead as what happens pretty much most of the time meaning the likes of the 209 become a route on borrowed time
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 11, 2022 11:16:54 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but confirmed PVRs are: 209= 1 378= 4 533= unchanged.
Which leaves 5 SEs released from AF. They could easily slot into PL to convert the 485.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 11, 2022 11:36:15 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but confirmed PVRs are: 209= 1 378= 4 533= unchanged. Which leaves 5 SEs released from AF. They could easily slot into PL to convert the 485. The 485 has already converted to 10.8m SE’s released from the 170
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 11, 2022 11:59:02 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but confirmed PVRs are: 209= 1 378= 4 533= unchanged. Which leaves 5 SEs released from AF. They could easily slot into PL to convert the 485. The 485 has already converted to 10.8m SE’s released from the 170 I'm aware, however the numbers match and they could get another contract out of them on the 485. Why wouldn't they take that opportunity?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 11, 2022 12:16:02 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but confirmed PVRs are: 209= 1 378= 4 533= unchanged. Which leaves 5 SEs released from AF. They could easily slot into PL to convert the 485. Quite a tight turnaround on the 209 with just 1 bus and a journey time of 11 mins. Pretty much just a hesitation as either end then back on the road.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jul 11, 2022 12:22:36 GMT
Not sure if this has been mentioned but confirmed PVRs are: 209= 1 378= 4 533= unchanged. Which leaves 5 SEs released from AF. They could easily slot into PL to convert the 485. Quite a tight turnaround on the 209 with just 1 bus and a journey time of 11 mins. Pretty much just a hesitation as either end then back on the road. Remember the 209 and 378 allocation is shared, likely a driver would do a 209 rounder, have proper stand time at Mortlake then do the 378.
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Post by thelondonthing on Jul 16, 2022 13:05:12 GMT
What was the point in public engagement until the 15th of the changes were going ahead regardless. Just a tick box exercise? Pretty much. I expect TFL will say when the consultation closes that they will continue to keep the area under review in lieu of the comments. As it goes whilst the freqs will be a little less attractive these are not the worst set of changes that could happen. The only thing that would have been good is if the a little of the saving to the 209/378 could go to maintain a 15 mins frequent. The reason that TfL pushed ahead without completing the consultation is because it wasn't actually a consultation. There seems to be a bit of confusion over the role of the TfL Have Your Say hub, which probably comes from the fact that the previous consultations site was folded into it. However, Have Your Say includes more than just consultations. The HYS buses, taxis and private hire vehicles hub, for example, states: Consultations are clearly marked as such, as can be seen on the Central London Bus Review consultation page, under 'Type of conversation' and 'Key Dates': Consultation pages also include references in their descriptions, such as "we are consulting on changes to some bus routes...", "we are consulting on withdrawing some individual bus routes...", "view consultation maps", etc. Such references are notably absent from the Barnes Bus Changes page, and with good reason - as indicated near the top of that page, this wasn't a consultation, but rather an announcement of what was to come; merely an effort to inform: As you can see, the 'engagement' period - during which you could have your say - ended yesterday. Until then, it was possible to post comments and opinions on the page (although they have now all been removed, oddly). But that's why TfL went ahead with putting up notices about the changes before the end-date given on the Barnes Bus Changes page. It was only ever an announcement of finalised changes, not a consultation.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 16, 2022 13:35:50 GMT
Pretty much. I expect TFL will say when the consultation closes that they will continue to keep the area under review in lieu of the comments. As it goes whilst the freqs will be a little less attractive these are not the worst set of changes that could happen. The only thing that would have been good is if the a little of the saving to the 209/378 could go to maintain a 15 mins frequent. The reason that TfL pushed ahead without completing the consultation is because it wasn't actually a consultation. There seems to be a bit of confusion over the role of the TfL Have Your Say hub, which probably comes from the fact that the previous consultations site was folded into it. However, Have Your Say includes more than just consultations. The HYS buses, taxis and private hire vehicles hub, for example, states: Consultations are clearly marked as such, as can be seen on the Central London Bus Review consultation page, under 'Type of conversation' and 'Key Dates': Consultation pages also include references in their descriptions, such as "we are consulting on changes to some bus routes...", "we are consulting on withdrawing some individual bus routes...", "view consultation maps", etc. Such references are notably absent from the Barnes Bus Changes page, and with good reason - as indicated near the top of that page, this wasn't a consultation, but rather an announcement of what was to come; merely an effort to inform: As you can see, the 'engagement' period - during which you could have your say - ended yesterday. Until then, it was possible to post comments and opinions on the page (although they have now all been removed, oddly). But that's why TfL went ahead with putting up notices about the changes before the end-date given on the Barnes Bus Changes page. It was only ever an announcement of finalised changes, not a consultation. The thing I don't get is what's the point of people having a say on something that is already announced as going ahead? It's hardly going to get people to engage with the process who will likely see it as a pointless waste of time.
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Post by rm1422 on Jul 27, 2022 14:28:08 GMT
Now the changes have happened I am surprised to see no effort has been made to put up new timetables, or if they did, they didn't bother in Putney. I walked past five 378 bus stops today and not one had the new timetable. I find that particularly bad given the route has also changed.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 27, 2022 16:10:10 GMT
Now the changes have happened I am surprised to see no effort has been made to put up new timetables, or if they did, they didn't bother in Putney. I walked past five 378 bus stops today and not one had the new timetable. I find that particularly bad given the route has also changed. How are the loadings going?
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Post by abellion on Jul 27, 2022 17:01:23 GMT
Now the changes have happened I am surprised to see no effort has been made to put up new timetables, or if they did, they didn't bother in Putney. I walked past five 378 bus stops today and not one had the new timetable. I find that particularly bad given the route has also changed. An N35 tile has survived multiple stop updates in Brixton despite the route being withdrawn 6 years ago - safe to say the people in charge are quite incompetent sometimes
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