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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 7, 2022 16:11:32 GMT
Social media isn’t a reflection of the general public. It’s a reflection of a very specific group of vacuous egotistical morons. You've just called everyone on the forum an egotistical moron. If you feel you fall into that category than so be it and I can only apologise if that’s how you feel but I won’t apologise for my own opinion.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 7, 2022 16:20:06 GMT
You've just called everyone on the forum an egotistical moron. If you feel you fall into that category than so be it and I can only apologise if that’s how you feel but I won’t apologise for my own opinion. Well the forum is social media, so factually every single person with an account here is on social media.
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 7, 2022 17:29:25 GMT
If you feel you fall into that category than so be it and I can only apologise if that’s how you feel but I won’t apologise for my own opinion. Well the forum is social media, so factually every single person with an account here is on social media. Yeah, I don’t really care. Like I said if that’s how you feel…
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Post by Paul on Sept 7, 2022 19:04:34 GMT
Best PMQ showing from a Conservative leader against Labour for a very long time. Liz Truss will be formidable if she is successful in getting more money into the pockets of voters and saves small and medium business from ruin. If her ideological approach is successful in steering us through this crisis, Labour could be in serious trouble. I’m sure I’m in the minority here, but I think Truss will surprise many people who have underestimated her. Judging by the reaction on social media she's been turned into a variety of memes following PMQs so whatever she said probably didn't sit particularly well with the general public. You’re a smart guy - you do get that these two things aren’t the same right? I noticed another poster falling into the same trap. Social media isn’t the be all and end all. If it were then Jeremy Corbyn would have won the last election I said previously that I don’t trust Liz Truss but I think she’s started off ok. She’s brought some fresh blood into the Cabinet and hopefully that will bring some fresh ideas. I’m very curious to see what tomorrow's announcement regarding the energy crisis will bring - it’s certainly a huge issue for any PM to deal with let alone one with only a couple of days on the job! I know all the Labour supporters around here are desperate for a General Election but I’d be careful what you wish for. The electorate has a short memory and if Truss can get some money back into people’s pockets tomorrow then I can see the popularity of both her and the Conservatives rising Unless of course we just get our news and opinions from social media
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Post by WH241 on Sept 7, 2022 19:19:39 GMT
Judging by the reaction on social media she's been turned into a variety of memes following PMQs so whatever she said probably didn't sit particularly well with the general public. You’re a smart guy - you do get that these two things aren’t the same right? I noticed another poster falling into the same trap. Social media isn’t the be all and end all. If it were then Jeremy Corbyn would have won the last election I said previously that I don’t trust Liz Truss but I think she’s started off ok. She’s brought some fresh blood into the Cabinet and hopefully that will bring some fresh ideas. I’m very curious to see what tomorrow's announcement regarding the energy crisis will bring - it’s certainly a huge issue for any PM to deal with let alone one with only a couple of days on the job! I know all the Labour supporters around here are desperate for a General Election but I’d be careful what you wish for. The electorate has a short memory and if Truss can get some money back into people’s pockets tomorrow then I can see the popularity of both her and the Conservatives rising Unless of course we just get our news and opinions from social media I haven't fallen into any trap and can think for myself thanks!
Money back in our pockets then taken again in tax from those who pay it.
This will probably prove unpopular but not too sure about the energy cap because its applied to everyone even millionaires its the same with all those smaller payments we are getting later this year. I think they need to look at the actual rate per unit and daily standing charge.
O also I am not necessarily a Labour supporter but people are getting caught in the hype of a new PM but its the same old party
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 7, 2022 19:38:22 GMT
You’re a smart guy - you do get that these two things aren’t the same right? I noticed another poster falling into the same trap. Social media isn’t the be all and end all. If it were then Jeremy Corbyn would have won the last election I said previously that I don’t trust Liz Truss but I think she’s started off ok. She’s brought some fresh blood into the Cabinet and hopefully that will bring some fresh ideas. I’m very curious to see what tomorrow's announcement regarding the energy crisis will bring - it’s certainly a huge issue for any PM to deal with let alone one with only a couple of days on the job! I know all the Labour supporters around here are desperate for a General Election but I’d be careful what you wish for. The electorate has a short memory and if Truss can get some money back into people’s pockets tomorrow then I can see the popularity of both her and the Conservatives rising Unless of course we just get our news and opinions from social media I haven't fallen into any trap and can think for myself thanks!
Money back in our pockets then taken again in tax from those who pay it.
This will prove probably prove unpopular but not too sure about the energy cap because its applied to everyone even millionaires its the same with all those smaller payments we are getting later this year. I think they need to look at the actual rate per unit and daily standing charge.
O also I am not necessarily a Labour supporter but people are getting caught in the hype of a new PM but its the same old party
Just because some are rich doesn’t mean they should be forced to pay more. Everyone should be offered a basic level of help, especially when high earners are the ones paying into the system with very little returned to them. More help should be offered to the poorer but it doesn’t mean the rich should be cut off entirely. Unless you want them to do a Gerard Depardieu and just leave the country, where would be then? Like it or not we do need the wealthy in order to support the poorest. Personally I think there are a range of options that should be considered with the government taking on £100bn of debt, splitting the gas and electric prices, removing the standing charge. Long term, as in 5-10 years the government should also increase the amount of green energy. So perhaps with the £100bn being paid to the retail energy companies, which don’t make any money despite the fake news, the energy wholesalers could be forced to invest in wind farms, nuclear, coastal wave plants etc.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 7, 2022 19:45:54 GMT
You've just called everyone on the forum an egotistical moron. I guess what was originally meant is that social media in general tends to be very left-leaning. Labour and left leaning agenda is treated as if it’s the best thing ever while anything right leaning is portrayed as evil The problem with that view is it’s a myth that social media is left leaning - it’s neither one nor the other. There is plenty of right leaning agendas on social media (I know this from being on social media platforms like Twitter myself) and neither left or right are a great way to go down - a successful government (most of the time) leads from the centre ground. Most Tory governments in the last thirty odd years have mainly been right leaning and Truss is suspected to be the most right leaning of the lot, Corbyn was ultra left and thank god that failed whilst Blair was more a centrist and I’d argue the awful Cameron Clegg coalition was too.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 7, 2022 22:30:28 GMT
If you feel you fall into that category than so be it and I can only apologise if that’s how you feel but I won’t apologise for my own opinion. Well the forum is social media, so factually every single person with an account here is on social media. To a small extent yes, but it's not like Twitter
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Post by ronnie on Sept 7, 2022 23:10:44 GMT
I guess what was originally meant is that social media in general tends to be very left-leaning. Labour and left leaning agenda is treated as if it’s the best thing ever while anything right leaning is portrayed as evil The problem with that view is it’s a myth that social media is left leaning - it’s neither one nor the other. There is plenty of right leaning agendas on social media (I know this from being on social media platforms like Twitter myself) and neither left or right are a great way to go down - a successful government (most of the time) leads from the centre ground. Most Tory governments in the last thirty odd years have mainly been right leaning and Truss is suspected to be the most right leaning of the lot, Corbyn was ultra left and thank god that failed whilst Blair was more a centrist and I’d argue the awful Cameron Clegg coalition was too. I know and here again I am speaking (typing!) without knowing exactly what the OP was talking about but these are my 2p to the extent it matters. In my view social media (FB / Twitter predominantly) tend to be fairly left leaning which unfortunately is feeding the hard right which doesn’t help Agree with you that things ultimately mean revert to centrism and that’s where most policies should be formulated from. Things are cyclical and the party in power at times needs to drift left or right depending on economic / socio-political situations. The issue with centrism is that it’s slow to react as it needs to toe a certain (politically correct) line while the hard left / right is free to take up (rightly or wrongly) topics and viewpoints which centrist politicians might be unwilling to, and end up driving the agenda and decimating the centre. This is what has been happening for the last decade or so the world over
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 8, 2022 0:04:45 GMT
You've just called everyone on the forum an egotistical moron. I guess what was originally meant is that social media in general tends to be very left-leaning. Labour and left leaning agenda is treated as if it’s the best thing ever while anything right leaning is portrayed as evil I would generally agree with you, but think twitter is a mad totally toxic environment. I originally joined it to keep up to date with what is going on in the UK military world ... but then LTNs happened. Now I am not sure what to make of it. The hard cycling activists seem to all be white middle class 40-sometuing right wing Tory boys who have managed to get the ear of Labour, but accuse you of being hard right if you oppose them ... a number of them have been shown to have racist views ... but you oppose them, you just get shouted at in large numbers, they all spout the same made up twisted stats, you point something out detrimental, they just deny it. They are so deeply ingrained into most (mainly Labour) councils in London (probably SE) at least, which is ironic given that 'its making my property more valuable' outlook in life, and totally against the Labour philosophy. Getting to the stage where I believe this world is not worth saving. We are all doomed.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 8, 2022 0:13:48 GMT
I guess what was originally meant is that social media in general tends to be very left-leaning. Labour and left leaning agenda is treated as if it’s the best thing ever while anything right leaning is portrayed as evil I would generally agree with you, but think twitter is a mad totally toxic environment. I originally joined it to keep up to date with what is going on in the UK military world ... but then LTNs happened. Now I am not sure what to make of it. The hard cycling activists seem to all be white middle class 40-sometuing right wing Tory boys who have managed to get the ear of Labour, but accuse you of being hard right if you oppose them ... a number of them have been shown to have racist views ... but you oppose them, you just get shouted at in large numbers, they all spout the same made up twisted stats, you point something out detrimental, they just deny it. They are so deeply ingrained into most (mainly Labour) councils in London (probably SE) at least, which is ironic given that its making my property more valuable outlook in life, and totally against the Labour philosophy. Getting to the stage where I believe this world is not worth saving. We are all doomed. What are you on about? This hasn't got anything to do with cycling activists!
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Post by SILENCED on Sept 8, 2022 0:28:13 GMT
I would generally agree with you, but think twitter is a mad totally toxic environment. I originally joined it to keep up to date with what is going on in the UK military world ... but then LTNs happened. Now I am not sure what to make of it. The hard cycling activists seem to all be white middle class 40-sometuing right wing Tory boys who have managed to get the ear of Labour, but accuse you of being hard right if you oppose them ... a number of them have been shown to have racist views ... but you oppose them, you just get shouted at in large numbers, they all spout the same made up twisted stats, you point something out detrimental, they just deny it. They are so deeply ingrained into most (mainly Labour) councils in London (probably SE) at least, which is ironic given that its making my property more valuable outlook in life, and totally against the Labour philosophy. Getting to the stage where I believe this world is not worth saving. We are all doomed. What are you on about? This hasn't got anything to do with cycling activists! Welcome to the twitersphere ... itis mad, and yes it is heavily associated with the LCC and cycling activists who are slowly destroying London and the country. Engage with them they are frightening. In our LTN, they advised the Council that traffic had increased by some ridiculous amount over an 8 year period. The council used these figures to promote it. When questioned about the source of these figures, they picked a January when the road was virtually impossible to pass through ice, compared to 2 months which council figures showed an exceptionally large spike in usage. When questioned the council could only suggest the equipment was faulty, confirmed an engineer visited the site, but had no record of his findings, then records returned to normal. The longer term trend showed number to be naturally decreasing. If you are excusing this kind of behaviour by extremists, then you deserve to abused by them. I would rather stand up for what is correct in this world than be a used sheep. But then you have to ask how a council could use their own data to misrepresent the situation so badly. Deliberate or incompetent?
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Post by Green Kitten on Sept 8, 2022 7:04:33 GMT
If you feel you fall into that category than so be it and I can only apologise if that’s how you feel but I won’t apologise for my own opinion. Well the forum is social media, so factually every single person with an account here is on social media. I think this is just a case of semantics here.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 8, 2022 10:58:19 GMT
I would generally agree with you, but think twitter is a mad totally toxic environment. I originally joined it to keep up to date with what is going on in the UK military world ... but then LTNs happened. Now I am not sure what to make of it. The hard cycling activists seem to all be white middle class 40-sometuing right wing Tory boys who have managed to get the ear of Labour, but accuse you of being hard right if you oppose them ... a number of them have been shown to have racist views ... but you oppose them, you just get shouted at in large numbers, they all spout the same made up twisted stats, you point something out detrimental, they just deny it. They are so deeply ingrained into most (mainly Labour) councils in London (probably SE) at least, which is ironic given that its making my property more valuable outlook in life, and totally against the Labour philosophy. Getting to the stage where I believe this world is not worth saving. We are all doomed. What are you on about? This hasn't got anything to do with cycling activists! But even still, it has nothing to do with the Johnson Leadership Crisis....
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 8, 2022 11:04:17 GMT
I guess what was originally meant is that social media in general tends to be very left-leaning. Labour and left leaning agenda is treated as if it’s the best thing ever while anything right leaning is portrayed as evil I would generally agree with you, but think twitter is a mad totally toxic environment. I originally joined it to keep up to date with what is going on in the UK military world ... but then LTNs happened. Now I am not sure what to make of it. The hard cycling activists seem to all be white middle class 40-sometuing right wing Tory boys who have managed to get the ear of Labour, but accuse you of being hard right if you oppose them ... a number of them have been shown to have racist views ... but you oppose them, you just get shouted at in large numbers, they all spout the same made up twisted stats, you point something out detrimental, they just deny it. They are so deeply ingrained into most (mainly Labour) councils in London (probably SE) at least, which is ironic given that 'its making my property more valuable' outlook in life, and totally against the Labour philosophy. Getting to the stage where I believe this world is not worth saving. We are all doomed. I agree with both, I have seen countless times as though the left is full of love and best thing since sliced bread, when it is far from it. A lot of the youth are indoctrinated into it by teachers at school and uni, it is after when some of them starts working and then realise the lie that was sold they then switch to other parties. Its like the similar ideology there is enough money in the world to feed everyone and make everyone equal. The trouble is down to people's attitude, some would save, some would burn it all off within days. Many of the cycling activists are middle class, does not take a genius to work that out. Their attitudes stinks and it is people like that discourages me from cycling. I have not cycled for years, I was an avid cyclist in my youth and used to perform a lot of stuns on BMX bikes.
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