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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 20, 2022 21:26:08 GMT
You might laugh but many won’t be! The country is in utter chaos! Many may disagree with me but Boris could be the Tories only hope to save the party. He was certainly more charismatic and I think he has the potential to do better than Liz Truss. His action with Russia and Ukraine show that he's strong on the international front. As for the country, he may not be the best option but then I don't think Starmer is any better. The Tory members will however put party over country in order to maximize their chances of remaining in power after the election I cannot see Boris taking the helm. It just does not make sense to, plus he was forced to quit a few months ago as many fell out of favour with him. It is either Sunak or a general election if anyone else and just hand the ship to Starmer. We do have Ed Davey, but many people would not vote Lib Dems sadly. They lost ground which they gained by the student fees fiasco.
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Post by yunus on Oct 20, 2022 21:51:05 GMT
Different question but if we (hopefully) get rid of the tories what would change in the bus aspect or transport in general under a different govt e.g Labour?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2022 23:41:34 GMT
If Boris does get back in then I hope the good public rebel and cause mayhem on the streets. There is no way that man should ever be in high office ever again.
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Post by richard on Oct 21, 2022 0:23:40 GMT
If Boris does get back in then I hope the good public rebel and cause mayhem on the streets. There is no way that man should ever be in high office ever again. I do hope people will vote labor if the statistics are correct they would win an election if there was one now. People who vote conservative have blood on their hands because they love to cause missery to the disabled by cutting the universal credit £20 a month it may not sound like much but for them it's a lifeline.
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 21, 2022 5:45:07 GMT
Steve Gerrard and Liz Truss could swap places, leading to a new football chant at Villa, "Who Grew All The Pies?"
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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2022 6:06:57 GMT
If Boris does get back in then I hope the good public rebel and cause mayhem on the streets. There is no way that man should ever be in high office ever again. Mob rule? We've already been there with attempts to derail Brexit. Whatever you think of Boris he was democratically elected and by a sizeable majority largely because he delivered what the public voted for in the referendum whilst Labour did their best to stop it.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2022 6:11:37 GMT
If Boris does get back in then I hope the good public rebel and cause mayhem on the streets. There is no way that man should ever be in high office ever again. I do hope people will vote labor if the statistics are correct they would win an election if there was one now. People who vote conservative have blood on their hands because they love to cause missery to the disabled by cutting the universal credit £20 a month it may not sound like much but for them it's a lifeline. Blood on their hands? What absolute tosh, you'll have to do better than that if you want to persuade people to vote Labour. I've voted for them before and I may possibly do so again in the future but there's no way I'll ever vote for Kier Starmer and I think you'll find many other former Labour voters feel the same.
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Post by mkay315 on Oct 21, 2022 8:04:48 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point.
This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public.
Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again.
Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2022 8:18:21 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point. This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public. Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again. Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on. Tory Voters seem to be very deluded many times. For a start, Tory votership is very highly linked to education levels. They will obviously claim its all propaganda in the education system, but most degree holders are Labour voters, and constituencies with higher education levels such as in London tend to favour Labour a lot more. If you've managed to get a whole degree I'm sure you would manage to see through this supposed propaganda. I can very much see a case in which the members of the party vote Johnson back in, chances are that will eventually lead to a constitutional crisis.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 21, 2022 9:13:09 GMT
Many may disagree with me but Boris could be the Tories only hope to save the party. He was certainly more charismatic and I think he has the potential to do better than Liz Truss. His action with Russia and Ukraine show that he's strong on the international front. As for the country, he may not be the best option but then I don't think Starmer is any better. The Tory members will however put party over country in order to maximize their chances of remaining in power after the election I cannot see Boris taking the helm. It just does not make sense to, plus he was forced to quit a few months ago as many fell out of favour with him. It is either Sunak or a general election if anyone else and just hand the ship to Starmer. We do have Ed Davey, but many people would not vote Lib Dems sadly. They lost ground which they gained by the student fees fiasco. Handing over to Labour isn't a good idea as it seems. Whilst the Tories are in utter chaos, Starmer is weak and whilst I'd be prepared to give him a chance I'm not sure he's the right person to run the country. People have been saying that it couldn't get worse after Boris Johnson, but now that Liz Truss has come and gone, could it get worse with Suella Braverman?
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 21, 2022 9:15:43 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point. This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public. Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again. Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on. If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country
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Post by WH241 on Oct 21, 2022 9:19:09 GMT
If Boris does get back in then I hope the good public rebel and cause mayhem on the streets. There is no way that man should ever be in high office ever again. Mob rule? We've already been there with attempts to derail Brexit. Whatever you think of Boris he was democratically elected and by a sizeable majority largely because he delivered what the public voted for in the referendum whilst Labour did their best to stop it. Yes he was elected but you are deluded if you think the Conservatives would win an election now! They are pretty much just wasting everyone’s time until 2024. I would be surprised if the next PM lasts until an election is called.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 21, 2022 9:25:17 GMT
Mob rule? We've already been there with attempts to derail Brexit. Whatever you think of Boris he was democratically elected and by a sizeable majority largely because he delivered what the public voted for in the referendum whilst Labour did their best to stop it. Yes he was elected but you are deluded if you think the Conservatives would win an election now! They are pretty much just wasting everyone’s time until 2024. I would be surprised if the next PM lasts until an election is called. Even Henry Viii didn't change his wives this often! 🤣
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 21, 2022 9:32:41 GMT
I cannot see Boris taking the helm. It just does not make sense to, plus he was forced to quit a few months ago as many fell out of favour with him. It is either Sunak or a general election if anyone else and just hand the ship to Starmer. We do have Ed Davey, but many people would not vote Lib Dems sadly. They lost ground which they gained by the student fees fiasco. Handing over to Labour isn't a good idea as it seems. Whilst the Tories are in utter chaos, Starmer is weak and whilst I'd be prepared to give him a chance I'm not sure he's the right person to run the country. People have been saying that it couldn't get worse after Boris Johnson, but now that Liz Truss has come and gone, could it get worse with Suella Braverman? Kier Starmer is not weak. Liz Truss was weak. She advocated an extreme libertarianism that caused the world's markets to take fright and damaged the UK's economy and world standing even further. Don't confuse the lack of an outgoing personality with weakness. Kier Starmer and his team have been quietly working in the background and the business community by and large now trusts Labour as "the party of business". Contrast that with the recklessness of the Conservatives, who have shown in their past two leaders that they are prepared to favour ideology over practical policy that supports businesses, the economy and society in general. Remember that Johnson is reputed to have said "F*** business" in response to disquiet about his Brexit strategy. One of Labour's policies that really resonates with me is that Social Care is to be given the same status as healthcare, with improved conditions and the same opportunities for career development and progression. Having an elderly mother who has recently been hospitalised and is now receiving social care, for that reason alone the next Labour government cannot come soon enough for me.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 21, 2022 9:37:53 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point. This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public. Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again. Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on. If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country I don't think he is a good choice. Whilst I have no doubt that he is of good character and a hard-working MP on behalf of his constituents, his more radical views would not win him the trust of the business community or our international allies. Don't forget that Liz Truss also pursued as radical strategy (right wingers can be radicals too) and look how the markets took fright.
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