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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2022 9:45:01 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point. This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public. Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again. Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on. If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer.
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2022 9:49:23 GMT
Handing over to Labour isn't a good idea as it seems. Whilst the Tories are in utter chaos, Starmer is weak and whilst I'd be prepared to give him a chance I'm not sure he's the right person to run the country. People have been saying that it couldn't get worse after Boris Johnson, but now that Liz Truss has come and gone, could it get worse with Suella Braverman? Kier Starmer is not weak. Liz Truss was weak. She advocated an extreme libertarianism that caused the world's markets to take fright and damaged the UK's economy and world standing even further. Don't confuse the lack of an outgoing personality with weakness. Kier Starmer and his team have been quietly working in the background and the business community by and large now trusts Labour as "the party of business". Contrast that with the recklessness of the Conservatives, who have shown in their past two leaders that they are prepared to favour ideology over practical policy that supports businesses, the economy and society in general. Remember that Johnson is reputed to have said "F*** business" in response to disquiet about his Brexit strategy. One of Labour's policies that really resonates with me is that Social Care is to be given the same status as healthcare, with improved conditions and the same opportunities for career development and progression. Having an elderly mother who has recently been hospitalised and is now receiving social care, for that reason alone the next Labour government cannot come soon enough for me. I would expect huge austerity measure for the next government, who ever is in charge. So to make this happen they will have to bring in massive taxation increases for the middle and higher earners, which would go down like a pair of cement shoes on water, or a huge sweeping rebuild of the NHS or increased borrowing. It simply won’t happen for years. A lot of labour’s policies seem fine but would require large scale reforms. I personally would like to seem policies which address rebalancing the system to offer more support to the middle earner rather than policies that only benefit low income/benefit workers and the extreme wealth. For too long our system has penalised the middle earner whilst suppressing everyone else.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2022 9:49:25 GMT
I cannot see Boris taking the helm. It just does not make sense to, plus he was forced to quit a few months ago as many fell out of favour with him. It is either Sunak or a general election if anyone else and just hand the ship to Starmer. We do have Ed Davey, but many people would not vote Lib Dems sadly. They lost ground which they gained by the student fees fiasco. Handing over to Labour isn't a good idea as it seems. Whilst the Tories are in utter chaos, Starmer is weak and whilst I'd be prepared to give him a chance I'm not sure he's the right person to run the country. People have been saying that it couldn't get worse after Boris Johnson, but now that Liz Truss has come and gone, could it get worse with Suella Braverman? How is Starmer weak compared to Corbyn.
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2022 9:51:10 GMT
If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. At least Jeremy Corbyn knew what he stood for. I’m still trying to figure out who exactly Keir Starmer stands for. Like Liz Truss he is incredibly hard to read and seems to say all the right things to the right subsets.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2022 9:57:12 GMT
If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. You were Nadine Dorries 2.0 a few days ago and now you think Corbyn would be better than Starmer?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2022 9:57:58 GMT
I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. At least Jeremy Corbyn knew what he stood for. I’m still trying to figure out who exactly Keir Starmer stands for. Like Liz Truss he is incredibly hard to read and seems to say all the right things to the right subsets. The voters don't seem to think so judging by the polls. It's very clear what he stands for, especially with the endorsement from Blair.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2022 10:00:52 GMT
I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. You were Nadine Dorties 2.0 a few days ago and now you think Corbyn would be better than Starmer? I've never mentioned Nadine Dorries.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2022 10:01:25 GMT
You were Nadine Dorties 2.0 a few days ago and now you think Corbyn would be better than Starmer? I've never mentioned Nadine Dorries. You were behaving like her.
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2022 10:10:14 GMT
At least Jeremy Corbyn knew what he stood for. I’m still trying to figure out who exactly Keir Starmer stands for. Like Liz Truss he is incredibly hard to read and seems to say all the right things to the right subsets. The voters don't seem to think so judging by the polls. It's very clear what he stands for, especially with the endorsement from Blair. Is it though? He seems to stand for everything and if politics teaches us anything, it’s that you can’t please everyone. How long would it be before he alienates one subset giving more to another. It’s not sustainable to try to be liked by everyone and I don’t believe the British public would take it for long. How might appeal to those over educated bridge climbing protestors and that LGBTQ+ trans subset but how do you cross those barriers and appeal to the average person who doesn’t care about anything like that. They might vote for him but that doesn’t mean they resonate, trust or believe he will be any better for them in the long or even short term.
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Post by ronnie on Oct 21, 2022 10:52:00 GMT
The voters don't seem to think so judging by the polls. It's very clear what he stands for, especially with the endorsement from Blair. Is it though? He seems to stand for everything and if politics teaches us anything, it’s that you can’t please everyone. How long would it be before he alienates one subset giving more to another. It’s not sustainable to try to be liked by everyone and I don’t believe the British public would take it for long. How might appeal to those over educated bridge climbing protestors and that LGBTQ+ trans subset but how do you cross those barriers and appeal to the average person who doesn’t care about anything like that. They might vote for him but that doesn’t mean they resonate, trust or believe he will be any better for them in the long or even short term. Make no mistake, if Corbyn is the Labour leader then despite all the shenanigans I would overwhelmingly vote for the Tories and so would a bunch of other people
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Post by rif153 on Oct 21, 2022 11:39:45 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point. This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public. Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again. Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on. If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country Or "chaos with Ed Miliband"
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2022 11:55:24 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point. This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public. Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again. Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on. If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country Hell no, absolutely the worst choice you could suggest. Just as bad as Tories wanting Boris back
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2022 12:00:59 GMT
Is it though? He seems to stand for everything and if politics teaches us anything, it’s that you can’t please everyone. How long would it be before he alienates one subset giving more to another. It’s not sustainable to try to be liked by everyone and I don’t believe the British public would take it for long. How might appeal to those over educated bridge climbing protestors and that LGBTQ+ trans subset but how do you cross those barriers and appeal to the average person who doesn’t care about anything like that. They might vote for him but that doesn’t mean they resonate, trust or believe he will be any better for them in the long or even short term. Make no mistake, if Corbyn is the Labour leader then despite all the shenanigans I would overwhelmingly vote for the Tories and so would a bunch of other people Whilst I’d not vote Tory, I certainly wouldn’t vote anyone that Corbyn is representing. It’s not his radical thinking that’s the issue here but his character and certain things he has said and done that doesn’t get mentioned enough.
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Post by busman on Oct 21, 2022 12:17:33 GMT
If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. Nearly spat my lunch out all over the keyboard reading that. Starmer has infinitely more credibility among the general population than Corbyn did. Corbyn would have been a disaster for this country. Not as bad as Truss, but then again the public did not get a say on whether they wanted Truss and her daft neo-libertarian policies. Starmer would be a safe, if un-dynamic pair of hands. Perhaps exactly what we need after 6 years of non-stop unpredictability which has left our country as a laughing stock across the world. The only way for Tories to avoid an early general election is to bring back Boris Johnson with Sunak as chancellor. The two of them publicly burying the hatchet, uniting warring factions of the party, and seeing out the remaining two years delivering their manifesto promises. If Sunak or anyone else becomes PM and wants to rip up the Tory manifesto promises they were elected upon (levelling up anyone?), there has to be a general election to allow us to have our say on how we want our country to move forward and who is the best party to do that.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Oct 21, 2022 12:20:31 GMT
I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. Nearly spat my lunch out all over the keyboard reading that. Starmer has infinitely more credibility among the general population than Corbyn did. Corbyn would have been a disaster for this country. Not as bad as Truss, but then again the public did not get a say on whether they wanted Truss and her daft neo-libertarian policies. Starmer would be a safe, if un-dynamic pair of hands. Perhaps exactly what we need after 6 years of non-stop unpredictability which has left our country as a laughing stock across the world. The only way for Tories to avoid an early general election is to bring back Boris Johnson with Sunak as chancellor. The two of them publicly burying the hatchet, uniting warring factions of the party, and seeing out the remaining two years delivering their manifesto promises. If Sunak or anyone else becomes PM and wants to rip up the Tory manifesto promises they were elected upon (levelling up anyone?), there has to be a general election to allow us to have our say on how we want our country to move forward and who is the best party to do that. Re levelling up... don't you think Sunak would deliver on that? He is a northern MP.
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