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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2022 19:07:26 GMT
The more you look at the state of the Conservative party, the more it looks like the grave they're digging is deeper and deeper.
It's looking like it's going to come down to a Sunak vs Johnson showdown. There's pretty much no way there's going to be any sort of 'unity' candidate. Sunak is probably the one who will manage to salvage the economy.
Johnson very funnily enough gave 8 MPs membership of the House of Lords upon his resignation, these 8 will need to resign and will trigger a by election, all 8 are forecasted to go Labour at the moment. There's rumours 20-30 MPs will immediately resign should he wins. Boris and Hunt are also not on good terms, there's almost a 0% chance of Hunt remaining on as Chancellor which will almost certainly spook the markets and could set off another downward spiral. Just in time for November when the privileges committee start investigating Boris, while Boris' government was initially hesitant to hand over evidence, the Truss government handed over a lot of information which is said to be very d*mning. This will lead to a potential suspension of Boris for 10 days, and a recall petition will almost certainly be started. 10% of the electorate need to sign it to trigger a by-election in Uxbridge, which will almost certainly be reached as everyone who voted Labour in 2019 alone make up more than 10%. A by-election will result in a Labour win, and yet another PM will need to be chosen.
Not to mention that this is all going to come down to an internet poll when we aren't at particularly good terms with Russia at the moment.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 21, 2022 19:10:46 GMT
I didn't say he was guilty. If you didn't say he was guilty, then surely you're saying he's not guilty! No, ask a solicitor to explain it to you.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 21, 2022 19:11:14 GMT
If you didn't say he was guilty, then surely you're saying he's not guilty! No, ask a solicitor to explain it to you. Are you one?
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Post by WH241 on Oct 21, 2022 19:53:23 GMT
No, ask a solicitor to explain it to you. Are you one? Probably not but he always knows or speaks to someone about every topic discussed!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 21, 2022 22:07:53 GMT
If Boris does get back in then I hope the good public rebel and cause mayhem on the streets. There is no way that man should ever be in high office ever again. I do hope people will vote labor if the statistics are correct they would win an election if there was one now. People who vote conservative have blood on their hands because they love to cause missery to the disabled by cutting the universal credit £20 a month it may not sound like much but for them it's a lifeline. Total utter BS
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 21, 2022 22:10:34 GMT
Alright this is my take on all of this. After 12 years of the tories running the country something needs to be done. If after all this time you still think the tories are the party to lead this country forward then I have no words to say for you at this point. This whole strapline that's being used "CaN lAbOuR dO aNy BeTtEr?" really needs to stop. We get it politicians are as bad as each other whichever way you want to look at it but the tories have shown time and time again that unless you are a part of their inner circle they don't give a shxt about the general public. Lib dems lost their credibility from the student loans calamity back in the early to mid 2010s so they will need some major working on to get the public to look at them again. Liz Truss in my opinion should not have been voted in. Other countries around the world must think we're a joke with the chopping and changing that's happening. Anyone that even thinks of saying Boris needs to be brought back in really needs to face the wall because even during his mayor days he showed that he had no integrity but then we still have people who will support the man. I can assure you this is not the hill one should die on. Tory Voters seem to be very deluded many times. For a start, Tory votership is very highly linked to education levels. They will obviously claim its all propaganda in the education system, but most degree holders are Labour voters, and constituencies with higher education levels such as in London tend to favour Labour a lot more. If you've managed to get a whole degree I'm sure you would manage to see through this supposed propaganda. I can very much see a case in which the members of the party vote Johnson back in, chances are that will eventually lead to a constitutional crisis. What a load of garbage
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 21, 2022 22:15:07 GMT
If this was possible I'd quite like to give Jeremy Corbyn a chance to lead the country I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. Hell No. There is no way steptoe has that much credibility, that is an insult to Starmer
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 21, 2022 22:17:02 GMT
I think Jeremy Corbyn has more credibility than Keir Starmer. You were Nadine Dorries 2.0 a few days ago and now you think Corbyn would be better than Starmer? In the same way you are Dianne Abbot 2.0
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Post by ServerKing on Oct 21, 2022 23:00:40 GMT
I love the way this thread has turned into the lobby of the Commons just before that vote on Wednesday evening Whoever wins, it's a shuffling of the same bad hand of cards. Moody's Credit Agency has just downgraded the UK economy to "unstable" due to all the turmoil, so whoever takes over will have to undo the "Trussonomics" thrust upon us all, I personally can't see how that will happen unless there's more borrowing to pump more money into the economy as people are tightening their belts and being very careful with what they spend, even some are skipping meals. I can't see Hunt working with Johnson after they fell out over the NHS, let alone as his Chancellor. People will remember Johnson's track record of Partygate, the so called Sunny Uplands of Brexit which has made people poorer. Johnson wants to emulate Churchill (second time time in power like he was), while Truss attempted copy Thatcher and failed miserably. Even Spurs don't burn through managers this quickly This season at Whitehall Lane is not the best, and this Relegation Dogfight will only end one way... I don't know if there will be a "new manager bounce" from whoever takes over, but the current Cabinet where Truss surrounded herself with her mates has been such a disaster, there's no governing taking place. UK has become even more of a laughing stock abroad as people wonder what on earth is going on
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2022 23:01:13 GMT
You were Nadine Dorries 2.0 a few days ago and now you think Corbyn would be better than Starmer? In the same way you are Dianne Abbot 2.0 That makes no sense - if he was Dianne Abbot 2.0, he would be defending Corbyn by saying he is better than Starmer and that he could do no wrong yet that's not he said.
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 21, 2022 23:08:52 GMT
The more you look at the state of the Conservative party, the more it looks like the grave they're digging is deeper and deeper. It's looking like it's going to come down to a Sunak vs Johnson showdown. There's pretty much no way there's going to be any sort of 'unity' candidate. Sunak is probably the one who will manage to salvage the economy. Johnson very funnily enough gave 8 MPs membership of the House of Lords upon his resignation, these 8 will need to resign and will trigger a by election, all 8 are forecasted to go Labour at the moment. There's rumours 20-30 MPs will immediately resign should he wins. Boris and Hunt are also not on good terms, there's almost a 0% chance of Hunt remaining on as Chancellor which will almost certainly spook the markets and could set off another downward spiral. Just in time for November when the privileges committee start investigating Boris, while Boris' government was initially hesitant to hand over evidence, the Truss government handed over a lot of information which is said to be very d*mning. This will lead to a potential suspension of Boris for 10 days, and a recall petition will almost certainly be started. 10% of the electorate need to sign it to trigger a by-election in Uxbridge, which will almost certainly be reached as everyone who voted Labour in 2019 alone make up more than 10%. A by-election will result in a Labour win, and yet another PM will need to be chosen. Not to mention that this is all going to come down to an internet poll when we aren't at particularly good terms with Russia at the moment. We wouldn't be on good terms with Russia regardless of whether Boris is the PM. Putin chose to invade Ukraine, obviously the response was to sanction Russia, most democratic countries did the same, any other PM would have done the same to Russia
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Post by northlondon83 on Oct 21, 2022 23:13:48 GMT
I love the way this thread has turned into the lobby of the Commons just before that vote on Wednesday evening Whoever wins, it's a shuffling of the same bad hand of cards. Moody's Credit Agency has just downgraded the UK economy to "unstable" due to all the turmoil, so whoever takes over will have to undo the "Trussonomics" thrust upon us all, I personally can't see how that will happen unless there's more borrowing to pump more money into the economy as people are tightening their belts and being very careful with what they spend, even some are skipping meals. I can't see Hunt working with Johnson after they fell out over the NHS, let alone as his Chancellor. People will remember Johnson's track record of Partygate, the so called Sunny Uplands of Brexit which has made people poorer. Johnson wants to emulate Churchill (second time time in power like he was), while Truss attempted copy Thatcher and failed miserably. Even Spurs don't burn through managers this quickly This season at Whitehall Lane is not the best, and this Relegation Dogfight will only end one way... I don't know if there will be a "new manager bounce" from whoever takes over, but the current Cabinet where Truss surrounded herself with her mates has been such a disaster, there's no governing taking place. UK has become even more of a laughing stock abroad as people wonder what on earth is going on As it stands the Tories are in a relegation zone and if an election is called within the next few months they could well be relegated to the second division (and not to be seen again this decade) Mind you Boris did once say that he wanted to rule until the 2030s well he could possibly be back, but gone quickly imo. The country would be worse with him in power, it's like driving a car but instead of driving forwards Boris has hit the reverse gear instead! Not prepared for Boris part 2!
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 22, 2022 3:26:21 GMT
I cannot see Liz Truss resigning unless being forced out. Would you personally want to be know as the worlds biggest failure and shortest Prime MinisterShe seems to be the average height for a woman I think her reign of terror is coming to an end, at least by the end of the month. Not that The Crown is much of a reference, but there was an episode where the Queen seemed to hint that Churchill should hand over power to Anthony Eden when nearing the end of his time in power. King Charles has already said "Dear or dear", and he might say stronger things later on To the rest of the world observing, it's UK losing control. People want politicians to be boring and unnoticed, this is the Supply Teacher losing control of her classroom in a failing school. Expect more resigning tomorrow, and The Speaker has demanded an investigation into Truss and Coffey forcing people to vote under duress. I think more will distance themselves from this disaster and she'll run out of people to elect and may put it out to Tory members... If you are next to become Transport Secretary, please look into the issue with the 318 as Khan is asleep at the switch As he is asleep at the Switch, route 318 is unlikely to gain Optare buses.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 22, 2022 3:29:18 GMT
Liz Truss has just announced (at 13.34) that she is resigning as Leader of the Conservative Party. She will remain as Prime Minister until a successor is chosen, which could be as early and next week. I suspect it will be an internal decision without any of us members being involved. It’s a shame she f**ked it up so early but let’s be honest for all his faults Boris was and always will remain a tough act to follow. She was deluded to think she could even implement her vision. Her idea that tax cuts would so stimulate growth as to pay for these tax cuts was never even going to work.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 22, 2022 3:34:04 GMT
I honestly can’t believe what I just read! Boris is expected to run for the leadership! Absolute joke! I don't see how it could even work having Boris back as Prime Minister. After so many MPs resigned from government, he started running out of MPs to fill some positions. Mind you, without looking up who they are, I have read that 2 MPs who resigned from his government have now decided to nominate him back as Prime Minister. You couldn't make it up.
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