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Post by buspete on May 9, 2024 14:54:25 GMT
I agree.
It won't be enough to return a Conservative government, it is just a last desperate attempt to get Reform votes. Even Rishi has admitted that the next election will not return a Conservative government. It is looking good for a coronation for Kier later this year. However a Labour Government wouldn't be my first preference - I would want a Labour/Liberal coalition as this is the only way I could see any chance of another referendum in the first government. The Tory* Government are in a vicious circle which I pointed out in the post above.
When Natalie Elphicke crossing the floor and I would have said that when she crossed that reform would've got their 2nd MP, I was surprised she sat with Labour. There will be others that cross now.
Rishi* Had no chance after Johnson/Truss.
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Post by southlondonbus on May 9, 2024 16:59:35 GMT
I agree. It won't be enough to return a Conservative government, it is just a last desperate attempt to get Reform votes. Even Rishi has admitted that the next election will not return a Conservative government. It is looking good for a coronation for Kier later this year. However a Labour Government wouldn't be my first preference - I would want a Labour/Liberal coalition as this is the only way I could see any chance of another referendum in the first government. The Tory* Government are in a vicious circle which I pointed out in the post above. When Natalie Elphicke crossing the floor and I would have said that when she crossed that reform would've got their 2nd MP, I was surprised she sat with Labour. There will be others that cross now. Rishi* Had no chance after Johnson/Truss. The best they could hope for now would be a hung/small majority government which would lead to another election within 2 to 3 years. I do still think there is an element of protest vote and the finally tally in a GE won't be a huge Labour majority but something workable. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 9, 2024 17:42:05 GMT
I agree. It won't be enough to return a Conservative government, it is just a last desperate attempt to get Reform votes. Even Rishi has admitted that the next election will not return a Conservative government. It is looking good for a coronation for Kier later this year. However a Labour Government wouldn't be my first preference - I would want a Labour/Liberal coalition as this is the only way I could see any chance of another referendum in the first government. The Tory* Government are in a vicious circle which I pointed out in the post above. When Natalie Elphicke crossing the floor and I would have said that when she crossed that reform would've got their 2nd MP, I was surprised she sat with Labour. There will be others that cross now. Rishi* Had no chance after Johnson/Truss. Are you referring to another EU referendum? I see zero chance of that happening regardless of a coalition or majority government. Not only would it be political suicide we’d lose so much in the process including our own currency. We are better off aligning closer to the EU but remaining separate within the Schengen zone but most importantly retain our sovereignty. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on May 9, 2024 17:45:29 GMT
I agree. It won't be enough to return a Conservative government, it is just a last desperate attempt to get Reform votes. Even Rishi has admitted that the next election will not return a Conservative government. It is looking good for a coronation for Kier later this year. However a Labour Government wouldn't be my first preference - I would want a Labour/Liberal coalition as this is the only way I could see any chance of another referendum in the first government. The Tory* Government are in a vicious circle which I pointed out in the post above. When Natalie Elphicke crossing the floor and I would have said that when she crossed that reform would've got their 2nd MP, I was surprised she sat with Labour. There will be others that cross now. Rishi* Had no chance after Johnson/Truss. Are you referring to another EU referendum? I see zero chance of that happening regardless of a coalition or majority government. Not only would it be political suicide we’d lose so much in the process including our own currency. We are better off aligning closer to the EU but remaining separate within the Schengen zone but most importantly retain our sovereignty. While being pro-EU myself, the conversations about misinformation can continue on and on but the fact of the matter is that the country spoke and it's how a referendum works. The Labour view of Corbyn of getting a new deal, then having a referendum but then campaigning against your own deal to stay in the EU was ridiculous and no matter what party you are I think you should obey the result. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 9, 2024 17:54:36 GMT
Are you referring to another EU referendum? I see zero chance of that happening regardless of a coalition or majority government. Not only would it be political suicide we’d lose so much in the process including our own currency. We are better off aligning closer to the EU but remaining separate within the Schengen zone but most importantly retain our sovereignty. While being pro-EU myself, the conversations about misinformation can continue on and on but the fact of the matter is that the country spoke and it's how a referendum works. The Labour view of Corbyn of getting a new deal, then having a referendum but then campaigning against your own deal to stay in the EU was ridiculous and no matter what party you are I think you should obey the result. I agree, we spoke and voted to leave. I am not ashamed to admit that I voted for Brexit. Not because of the standard reasons everyone spills. But simply because I never believed the EU should have been allowed to be a law making government. My number one issue was the lack of clarity about why something that was seen as good for France or Poland or Greece is right for the UK. It’s always felt too United States for me and according to some predictions that is only a decade away from collapse. My feelings aside Brexit is done and no government should seek to change the will of the people. |
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Post by buspete on May 10, 2024 0:01:14 GMT
I am talking about having another EU referendum.
65% of people would vote to remain now. The British public has had to learn the hard way of the benefits of countries cooperating, the experiment of Brexit is a total failure and that is why the country needs change.
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Post by buspete on May 10, 2024 0:08:40 GMT
While being pro-EU myself, the conversations about misinformation can continue on and on but the fact of the matter is that the country spoke and it's how a referendum works. The Labour view of Corbyn of getting a new deal, then having a referendum but then campaigning against your own deal to stay in the EU was ridiculous and no matter what party you are I think you should obey the result. I agree, we spoke and voted to leave. I am not ashamed to admit that I voted for Brexit. Not because of the standard reasons everyone spills. But simply because I never believed the EU should have been allowed to be a law making government. My number one issue was the lack of clarity about why something that was seen as good for France or Poland or Greece is right for the UK. It’s always felt too United States for me and according to some predictions that is only a decade away from collapse. My feelings aside Brexit is done and no government should seek to change the will of the people. And you have hit the bullseye with the United States, you need a pact of countries working together to stop the US with its protectionism from wipping the floor with smaller countries. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 10, 2024 5:43:20 GMT
I am talking about having another EU referendum. 65% of people would vote to remain now. The British public has had to learn the hard way of the benefits of countries cooperating, the experiment of Brexit is a total failure and that is why the country needs change. Hugely unlikely to happen. It happened and no government should seek to undo the will of the people regardless of how any feels now. Once the British public realise we’d lose our currency and have to offer more money to the EU as a new member it would fail. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 10, 2024 5:47:14 GMT
I agree, we spoke and voted to leave. I am not ashamed to admit that I voted for Brexit. Not because of the standard reasons everyone spills. But simply because I never believed the EU should have been allowed to be a law making government. My number one issue was the lack of clarity about why something that was seen as good for France or Poland or Greece is right for the UK. It’s always felt too United States for me and according to some predictions that is only a decade away from collapse. My feelings aside Brexit is done and no government should seek to change the will of the people. And you have hit the bullseye with the United States, you need a pact of countries working together to stop the US with its protectionism from wipping the floor with smaller countries. There is a huge difference between countries cooperating and becoming a government. The EU should have never been a government and ultimately it is doomed to fail. Empires always do. |
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2024 7:49:46 GMT
I am talking about having another EU referendum. 65% of people would vote to remain now. The British public has had to learn the hard way of the benefits of countries cooperating, the experiment of Brexit is a total failure and that is why the country needs change. Endless referendums until you get the result that you want? Where do you get this 65% figure from? I think most people have accepted the result and moved on and have no desire to see this can of worms reopened. |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 10, 2024 8:19:34 GMT
I am talking about having another EU referendum. 65% of people would vote to remain now. The British public has had to learn the hard way of the benefits of countries cooperating, the experiment of Brexit is a total failure and that is why the country needs change. Endless referendums until you get the result that you want? Where do you get this 65% figure from? I think most people have accepted the result and moved on and have no desire to see this can of worms reopened. There was no scenario where Brexit was going to be perfect but all any government can do now is make the best of what the people at the time wanted. Yes, we can become closely associated with the EU with shared knowledge and resources but within the separation that already exists. |
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Post by buspete on May 10, 2024 11:22:02 GMT
65% is reflected in numerous opinion polls.
A generation who voted for Brexit have perished and another generation has had no say.
The majority of the British public would be happy to have another currency, as they understand how a very successful union works, now beyond the dog whistles of ‘protect our borders’ or ‘get our country back’.
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Post by southlondon413 on May 10, 2024 11:34:00 GMT
65% is reflected in numerous opinion polls. A generation who voted for Brexit have perished and another generation has had no say. The majority of the British public would be happy to have another currency, as they understand how a very successful union works, now beyond the dog whistles of ‘protect our borders’ or ‘get our country back’. That is how referendums work, some generation is always going to miss out. You can’t just do another vote because of hindsight and regret. The generation that voted to join the EU in the 70s (twice) are mostly gone but you can’t begrudge them having that choice. Maybe in 40 years, if the EU hasn’t imploded, then yes. But right now it’s a choice we have to make work for us. |
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Post by buspete on May 10, 2024 14:29:59 GMT
I would welcome a single currency, because of Brexit the Pound has been devalued against the Euro/Dollar and has never recovered, this just doesn’t affect people going abroad, but higher costs on everything people buy as well.
You answered your own question so far that there was 2 referendum in the 70s, so a president has been set to have a referendum close together.
People can vote again for Brexit if they disagree with having a referendum, that shouldn’t stop having another referendum, in case the vote goes against your own value. The country spoke in 2016 and they can speak again.
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Post by greenboy on May 10, 2024 14:36:41 GMT
65% is reflected in numerous opinion polls. A generation who voted for Brexit have perished and another generation has had no say. The majority of the British public would be happy to have another currency, as they understand how a very successful union works, now beyond the dog whistles of ‘protect our borders’ or ‘get our country back’. So on that basis, if we had another referendum tomorrow many voters will have perished by the early 2030's so we'll have to have another referendum then? Where does it end? |
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