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Post by southlondon413 on May 10, 2024 15:03:12 GMT
I would welcome a single currency, because of Brexit the Pound has been devalued against the Euro/Dollar and has never recovered, this just doesn’t affect people going abroad, but higher costs on everything people buy as well. You answered your own question so far that there was 2 referendum in the 70s, so a president has been set to have a referendum close together. People can vote again for Brexit if they disagree with having a referendum, that shouldn’t stop having another referendum, in case the vote goes against your own value. The country spoke in 2016 and they can speak again. Equally if a country were to fail financially like Greece has come ever so close to many times than the currency is devalued. That would affect prices in France, Spain etc. It isn’t right that given how wildly different the economies are that one seemingly thriving country can be responsible for a failing one. The precedent set in the 70s was a vote to enter and a later referendum to remain in, completely different to what you’re suggesting. The fact is we don’t get to have a vote to ask every generation what they want. Like I said any government, regardless of how the public feels now, would be committing political suicide if it ignored what the people wanted not when it is so fresh in people’s mind. Rejoining isn’t as simple as you think. It would mean giving up a lot and not just our currency. Immigration targets, policing, laws, farming etc would all be affected at a greater scale. It’s time for remainers like yourself to accept it was lost and whilst we can in time align ourselves closely with the EU that period is over. This is real life, you don’t get a do-over because you stamp your feet hard enough. |
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Post by buspete on May 10, 2024 22:23:29 GMT
I never said have a referendum tomorrow, but in 2026, which gives people under the age of 28 a chance to have their voices heard - so 10 years after the last election. Now the British public now know what Brexit looks like , they should be able to speak again.
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Post by SILENCED on May 10, 2024 22:37:49 GMT
I never said have a referendum tomorrow, but in 2026, which gives people under the age of 28 a chance to have their voices heard - so 10 years after the last election. Now the British public now know what Brexit looks like , they should be able to speak again. Anyone that has that manifesto, needs to make it known before an election. Not something you can drop after. Yep, it backfired for a certain Mr. Cameron! |
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Post by southlondon413 on May 10, 2024 23:20:37 GMT
I never said have a referendum tomorrow, but in 2026, which gives people under the age of 28 a chance to have their voices heard - so 10 years after the last election. Now the British public now know what Brexit looks like , they should be able to speak again. So let’s say there was another referendum and it was a yes to rejoining the EU should we then have another one ten years later as those who were under 18 at the time wouldn’t get a vote? Like in your mind do you see a once a decade vote so we potentially spend the next 50 years flip flopping in and out of the EU? Everybody should just respect the result of the referendum, to try and change it because you aren’t happy just spits in the face of democracy. There is no reset button and our relationship with the EU would look very different if we rejoined. There is no going back to pre-2016 EU terms. |
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Post by buspete on May 11, 2024 0:19:24 GMT
Yes, If a political party gets elected with a referendum being in their manifesto.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 11, 2024 3:06:16 GMT
Another blow to Sunak as Natalie Elphicke is the latest Conservative MP to defect to Labour. It’s equally shocking that Starmer would want someone so far-right amongst Labours ranks. This may come back to hurt him in the short term. There is already some mumbling from the left as to why she has the Labour whip while Diane Abbott has still not had the whip restored. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 11, 2024 3:10:25 GMT
I agree. It won't be enough to return a Conservative government, it is just a last desperate attempt to get Reform votes. Even Rishi has admitted that the next election will not return a Conservative government. It is looking good for a coronation for Kier later this year. However a Labour Government wouldn't be my first preference - I would want a Labour/Liberal coalition as this is the only way I could see any chance of another referendum in the first government. The Tory* Government are in a vicious circle which I pointed out in the post above. When Natalie Elphicke crossing the floor and I would have said that when she crossed that reform would've got their 2nd MP, I was surprised she sat with Labour. There will be others that cross now. Rishi* Had no chance after Johnson/Truss. For people who want for example a Labour/Liberal Democrat coalition, it is a pity that there is no such option on the ballot paper. Admittedly, I think the LibDems are more likely to agree a constructive informal agreement rather than a coalition, after being so badly bruised at the end of their previous coalition in 2015. |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 11, 2024 3:16:06 GMT
I never said have a referendum tomorrow, but in 2026, which gives people under the age of 28 a chance to have their voices heard - so 10 years after the last election. Now the British public now know what Brexit looks like , they should be able to speak again. This may sound nice and fair. However, even if a majority of voters vote to rejoin, the EU will almost certainly not offer us readmission on the same terms than we had before. Plus, even if the then government and a majority of voters want us back in, the EU are allowed to just say No. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 11, 2024 19:33:25 GMT
Now the election is over, instead of bickering amongst each other the the parties internal warfare seems to be restarting. Looks like the Tories are starting off strong this parliament with Kemi and Suella after Kemi said Suella was having a nervous breakdown, then warned her conversation shouldn't be leaked and it got leaked.
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Post by MKAY315 on Jul 11, 2024 19:59:34 GMT
Now the election is over, instead of bickering amongst each other the the parties internal warfare seems to be restarting. Looks like the Tories are starting off strong this parliament with Kemi and Suella after Kemi said Suella was having a nervous breakdown, then warned her conversation shouldn't be leaked and it got leaked. And they want to tell us there's unity in the camp 😂 |
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Post by rif153 on Jul 12, 2024 10:37:56 GMT
There appears to be a pretty determined effort to prevent Braverman getting anywhere near the leadership, given how toxic she is and how much of a lose cannon she's become. I doubt she'll get to the final two now, she seems too divisive and would probably alienate even more of the Tories' traditional core vote. Kemi Badenoch is looking a strong contender though, she is also big on the culture wars but doesn't carry the same baggage that Braverman has. Robert Jenrick has also been adopting much more hardline rhetoric on issues like immigration in recent months as he looks to pander to that section of the party and some outlets are saying Jenrick's chances are in the ascent. If the Tories do move further to the right to quash the perceived threat of Reform they could be playing a dangerous game of losing even more of what support they have left, in favour of speaking to an even narrower set of voters - plus Farage may still well have the charisma and rhetoric that appears more convincing than whatever Badenoch or someone else can offer.
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Post by buspete on Jul 12, 2024 22:01:05 GMT
The further the Tories get away from Tufton Street (HQ for weird think tanks and lobby groups) the better, so that would rule out Braverman completely. After the hammering the Tories had they would be advised to have someone that will actually listen, then make coherent arguments, when the time comes. As for Farage and Reform they also had a disappointing election.
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Post by Paul on Jul 13, 2024 2:35:13 GMT
As for Farage and Reform they also had a disappointing election. Disappointing possibly in terms of number of seats won but I think a relatively new party would have been thrilled with over 4 million votes |
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Post by greenboy on Jul 13, 2024 8:12:51 GMT
The further the Tories get away from Tufton Street (HQ for weird think tanks and lobby groups) the better, so that would rule out Braverman completely. After the hammering the Tories had they would be advised to have someone that will actually listen, then make coherent arguments, when the time comes. As for Farage and Reform they also had a disappointing election. Labour only got 33.7% of the vote. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 13, 2024 9:00:43 GMT
The further the Tories get away from Tufton Street (HQ for weird think tanks and lobby groups) the better, so that would rule out Braverman completely. After the hammering the Tories had they would be advised to have someone that will actually listen, then make coherent arguments, when the time comes. As for Farage and Reform they also had a disappointing election. Labour only got 33.7% of the vote. Which only represents about 20% of the population, hardly a runaway majority. |
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