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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 5, 2024 15:24:47 GMT
But I don't believe any of Labour's leaders have been mediocre, Starmer has obviously won a 400 seat majority while the others while poor appealed to a voter base. Okay, mediocre may be the wrong term to use. I don’t believe that Starmers 400 odd seats have anything to do with likability or mediocrity. He has quickly become the most disliked PM in recent years with his approval rating plummeting faster than a Boeing 737Max. It was a rock and a hard place for many voters, clearly reflected in a lower overall turnout estimated to be around 60%. Starmer has already proved to flop like a fish on dry land dropping the overwhelming majority of his rhetoric and promises from the last few years. Given what has become evident since July I don’t believe the party would win that majority again. But that doesn’t mean the conservatives would either. Labour would still very well get a majority simply because the Conservatives would still be split. The market meanwhile responded far better to the Labour budget than the disastrous Liz Truss one |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 5, 2024 15:33:32 GMT
Okay, mediocre may be the wrong term to use. I don’t believe that Starmers 400 odd seats have anything to do with likability or mediocrity. He has quickly become the most disliked PM in recent years with his approval rating plummeting faster than a Boeing 737Max. It was a rock and a hard place for many voters, clearly reflected in a lower overall turnout estimated to be around 60%. Starmer has already proved to flop like a fish on dry land dropping the overwhelming majority of his rhetoric and promises from the last few years. Given what has become evident since July I don’t believe the party would win that majority again. But that doesn’t mean the conservatives would either. Labour would still very well get a majority simply because the Conservatives would still be split. The market meanwhile responded far better to the Labour budget than the disastrous Liz Truss one That large a majority again, should have clarified. The Truss budget did scare the bankers and massively affect her credibility, there is no denying that but this latest one has farmers threatening to cut off food supplies with strikes, parent groups considering legal action over private school fees and even a union threatening legal action over the treatment of the elderly. The markets may have liked it but it has the potential to devastate small and medium sized businesses, pensions, wage growth and potentially will hold the country back from any real growth to the end of the decade. Not to mention potentially severely affect the long term property market if stamp duty leads to private landlords dumping property and first time buyers scrambling to find additional funds. Labour claims they had no choice because of the same tired story of it being someone else’s fault. You should know from 9 years of Khan using the same rhetoric that it gets tired quickly. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 5, 2024 15:55:37 GMT
Labour would still very well get a majority simply because the Conservatives would still be split. The market meanwhile responded far better to the Labour budget than the disastrous Liz Truss one That large a majority again, should have clarified. The Truss budget did scare the bankers and massively affect her credibility, there is no denying that but this latest one has farmers threatening to cut off food supplies with strikes, parent groups considering legal action over private school fees and even a union threatening legal action over the treatment of the elderly. The markets may have liked it but it has the potential to devastate small and medium sized businesses, pensions, wage growth and potentially will hold the country back from any real growth to the end of the decade. Not to mention potentially severely affect the long term property market if stamp duty leads to private landlords dumping property and first time buyers scrambling to find additional funds. Labour claims they had no choice because of the same tired story of it being someone else’s fault. You should know from 9 years of Khan using the same rhetoric that it gets tired quickly. Who else crashed the economy then? It was the fault of the Conservatives this time and nobody else really. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 5, 2024 15:59:20 GMT
Corbyn & Milliband are white males - the conversation is about those who are of different genders & backgrounds. And no, they weren’t roaring successes either just to be clear Hang on, so if you’re white and male you can be mediocre but if you’re from an ethnic background or a woman you have to be and do great things? That’s why Labour aren’t selecting diverse or alternative leadership? I wouldn’t have selected Badenoch as leader of the party for a multitude of reasons which ultimately boils down to her basic principles but gender or ethnicity have nothing to do with it. But I am interested to see what she does and how she chooses to challenge Labour. I've said nothing about being ok to be white, male and mediocre. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 5, 2024 16:01:49 GMT
That large a majority again, should have clarified. The Truss budget did scare the bankers and massively affect her credibility, there is no denying that but this latest one has farmers threatening to cut off food supplies with strikes, parent groups considering legal action over private school fees and even a union threatening legal action over the treatment of the elderly. The markets may have liked it but it has the potential to devastate small and medium sized businesses, pensions, wage growth and potentially will hold the country back from any real growth to the end of the decade. Not to mention potentially severely affect the long term property market if stamp duty leads to private landlords dumping property and first time buyers scrambling to find additional funds. Labour claims they had no choice because of the same tired story of it being someone else’s fault. You should know from 9 years of Khan using the same rhetoric that it gets tired quickly. Who else crashed the economy then? It was the fault of the Conservatives this time and nobody else really. The economy was fine and growing, it was forecast to be one of the best within the G7. But if you’re referring to the “£22 billion” black hole then that has been partially debunked as the overwhelming majority has come from public sector pay rises Labour agreed to. The economy is now set to pretty much flatline for the next few years. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 5, 2024 16:07:16 GMT
Who else crashed the economy then? It was the fault of the Conservatives this time and nobody else really. The economy was fine and growing, it was forecast to be one of the best within the G7. But if you’re referring to the “£22 billion” black hole then that has been partially debunked as the overwhelming majority has come from public sector pay rises Labour agreed to. The economy is now set to pretty much flatline for the next few years. It's nearly impossible to extrapolate an economy for multiple years because that's dependent on spending being stagnant, which Labour said they're unlikely to do. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 5, 2024 16:13:19 GMT
The economy was fine and growing, it was forecast to be one of the best within the G7. But if you’re referring to the “£22 billion” black hole then that has been partially debunked as the overwhelming majority has come from public sector pay rises Labour agreed to. The economy is now set to pretty much flatline for the next few years. It's nearly impossible to extrapolate an economy for multiple years because that's dependent on spending being stagnant, which Labour said they're unlikely to do. And yet the OBR are predicting rises in interest rates and inflation as a result of the latest budget. Regardless of what Labour say the OBR is still predicting an economy no bigger than it is today in five years. The only major change is one of the highest tax burdens in modern history. Make no mistake who is responsible when you are paying more for basics at the tills. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 5, 2024 16:16:45 GMT
Hang on, so if you’re white and male you can be mediocre but if you’re from an ethnic background or a woman you have to be and do great things? That’s why Labour aren’t selecting diverse or alternative leadership? I wouldn’t have selected Badenoch as leader of the party for a multitude of reasons which ultimately boils down to her basic principles but gender or ethnicity have nothing to do with it. But I am interested to see what she does and how she chooses to challenge Labour. I've said nothing about being ok to be white, male and mediocre. But why do they, as in the minorities and women, have to be great? Why not just be as mediocre as the white male politicians who have been in power for the last few hundred years? I do subscribe to the best person for the job mentality and shun affirmative action but as a person of colour I assure you I am just a mediocre as the white man sat next to me. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 5, 2024 18:18:08 GMT
I've said nothing about being ok to be white, male and mediocre. But why do they, as in the minorities and women, have to be great? Why not just be as mediocre as the white male politicians who have been in power for the last few hundred years? I do subscribe to the best person for the job mentality and shun affirmative action but as a person of colour I assure you I am just a mediocre as the white man sat next to me. Because you and I know that the backlash they'll receive will be 10 times more than what a white male would receive - you only have to see what happens when a black footballer makes a mistake in comparison to when a white footballer does and you can throw that example across a wide spectrum of roles. The best person for the job is also what I subscribe too and really should be the only metric that is used but we both know that ticking boxes for the sake of it also happens and we also know some members of the general public seem very hypocritical over tick box exercises when the foot is on the other foot - i.e. they have a massive issue when woman and ethnic minorities are drawn in for the sake of it but when it comes to picking the next England manager, all of a sudden they want English managers to be drawn in for the sake of it because a foreign manager (and in this case, a German) is the best man for the job when judging all the candidates qualifications and skills. |
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Post by buspete on Nov 5, 2024 19:42:15 GMT
Sadiq Khan is the first person of colour to be Mayor of London. David Lammy the second black foreign secretary and Rachel Reeve first female chancellor.
The first woman Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was never popular as a person, however her policies were, Kier Starmer could replicate the same policies and would win the general election in 2029 by a landslide.
I have issues with farmers paying inheritance tax, they should pay 40% like everyone else has to.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 5, 2024 19:48:03 GMT
Sadiq Khan is the first person of colour to be Mayor of London. David Lammy the second black foreign secretary and Rachel Reeve first female chancellor. The first woman Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was never popular as a person, however her policies were, Kier Starmer could replicate the same policies and would win the general election in 2029 by a landslide. I have issues with farmers paying inheritance tax, they should pay 40% like everyone else has to. Trouble with that is they then have to sell land to pay the tax, the farm gets smaller so produces less food, when we have a rising population. So we become reliant on imported food and all the environmentally associated disadvantages. Taking money out of farming will just create food inflation, which given recent events is something I think no one wants. If every farmer has to sell land, the price of land collapses, meaning they have to sell even more land. |
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Post by buspete on Nov 5, 2024 20:59:03 GMT
Sadiq Khan is the first person of colour to be Mayor of London. David Lammy the second black foreign secretary and Rachel Reeve first female chancellor. The first woman Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was never popular as a person, however her policies were, Kier Starmer could replicate the same policies and would win the general election in 2029 by a landslide. I have issues with farmers paying inheritance tax, they should pay 40% like everyone else has to. Trouble with that is they then have to sell land to pay the tax, the farm gets smaller so produces less food, when we have a rising population. So we become reliant on imported food and all the environmentally associated disadvantages. Taking money out of farming will just create food inflation, which given recent events is something I think no one wants. If every farmer has to sell land, the price of land collapses, meaning they have to sell even more land. If the land is sold it will still be farmed as it is today, you cannot build on arable land, so will produce exactly the same amount of food. Except farms are being bought as a tax loophole, hello Jeremy Clarkson and James Dyson. |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 5, 2024 21:33:59 GMT
Trouble with that is they then have to sell land to pay the tax, the farm gets smaller so produces less food, when we have a rising population. So we become reliant on imported food and all the environmentally associated disadvantages. Taking money out of farming will just create food inflation, which given recent events is something I think no one wants. If every farmer has to sell land, the price of land collapses, meaning they have to sell even more land. If the land is sold it will still be farmed as it is today, you cannot build on arable land, so will produce exactly the same amount of food. Except farms are being bought as a tax loophole, hello Jeremy Clarkson and James Dyson. Stats show that just over 50% of farmland sold in 2023 was sold to non-farmers .. www.google.com/amp/s/www.farminguk.com/news/amp/non-farmers-bought-more-than-half-of-the-farms-sold-in-2023_64030.html |
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Post by lj61nwc on Nov 5, 2024 21:41:53 GMT
Taken from the same article: |
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 5, 2024 21:43:10 GMT
Taken from the same article: Also means not all of it is ... As some are paid to grow trees. |
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