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Post by rif153 on Jul 14, 2022 20:05:17 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Jul 14, 2022 21:11:27 GMT
I see the report and to me it seems to have stemmed from a incident on a 308 where a pupil was not allowed to board a bus.
Controversial opinion here but pupils should have their Zip cards it’s not really that difficult. I appreciate it’s not strictly the same but it’s like a adult saying they have left their bank card a home.
In reality I can’t imagine too many drivers would challenge a child around school times.
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Post by richard on Jul 14, 2022 21:53:02 GMT
I see the report and to me it seems to have stemmed from a incident on a 308 where a pupil was not allowed to board a bus. Controversial opinion here but pupils should have their Zip cards it’s not really that difficult. I appreciate it’s not strictly the same but it’s like a adult saying they have left their bank card a home. In reality I can’t imagine too many drivers would challenge a child around school times. I agree with you But having said that there are some school children that do take the pi** out of the zip card and say that they have no money to pay when the they have a box full of Chicken and chips etc.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 14, 2022 21:53:28 GMT
Off the cuff, it's nice to see my old school featured. On the cuff, Newham is just as any other part of London. I'd like to believe so anyway, but they do raise a point with journey length. Half my school body was from Beckton despite my old secondary being in Forest Gate, a good 3 miles away. It's sometimes hard to spot someone being vulnerable but with school aged kids, that little bit of discretion goes a long way.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 14, 2022 21:54:47 GMT
I see the report and to me it seems to have stemmed from a incident on a 308 where a pupil was not allowed to board a bus. Controversial opinion here but pupils should have their Zip cards it’s not really that difficult. I appreciate it’s not strictly the same but it’s like a adult saying they have left their bank card a home. In reality I can’t imagine too many drivers would challenge a child around school times. I agree with you But having said that there are some school children that do take the pi** out of the zip card and say that they have no money to pay when the they have a box full of Chicken and chips etc. Bus travel is free for under 16s- I don't see the relevance here.
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Post by richard on Jul 14, 2022 21:58:30 GMT
I agree with you But having said that there are some school children that do take the pi** out of the zip card and say that they have no money to pay when the they have a box full of Chicken and chips etc. Bus travel is free for under 16s- I don't see the relevance here. That's ture but they should be using their parents oyster card if they have lost their zip card.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 14, 2022 22:05:35 GMT
Sorry but someone being vulnerable and just others who just chose not to bother remembering the card is different. I am sure most drivers are sensible. I do think their is more to the original story.
Yes travel is free but having the card with you is part of the rules and can be withdrawn for bad behaviour.
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Post by redbus on Jul 14, 2022 22:10:48 GMT
Bus travel is free for under 16s- I don't see the relevance here. That's ture but they should be using their parents oyster card if they have lost their zip card. The parents may need their own oyster card! The point here is that the children are not too young to be responsible, if they are old enough to travel alone, they are old enough to be able to remember their oyster card. It begs the question how did they get to school without an oyster card? If they started off without their card perhaps they should have gone back home and got it. If they are late for school as a result they will soon learn! Sorry if this seems hard, but it is part of growing up. Having said this I every every sympathy for a child who loses his card, has it stolen etc and suddenly finds themselves without a card and unable to get home. Such circumstances should be rare, however, and bus drivers should have discretion in such cases.
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Post by richard on Jul 14, 2022 22:10:59 GMT
Sorry but someone being vulnerable and just others who just chose not to bother remembering the card is different. I am sure most drivers are sensible. I do think their is more to the original story. Yes travel is free but having the card with you is part of the rules and can be withdrawn for bad behaviour. I'm not saying I wouldn't let them on if u was a driver I would give them the benifit of the doubt for the first time but if it was to keep happening I wouldn't let them on. Obviously if they was vulnerable I would be happy to let them on for free.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 14, 2022 22:33:10 GMT
In my day parents brought you a bus pass. If you forgot it you had to go home and get it as they would not let you on the bus. What makes this so hard for the lovely little cherubs of theses days to understand. Your ZIP card is your responsibility, you need to make sure it is on your person if you want to use it. If you don't have it, you go and get it. And how did they get to school, if they forgot their pass.
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Post by richard on Jul 14, 2022 23:22:51 GMT
In my parents brought you a bus pass. If you forgot it you had to go home and get it as they would not let you on the bus. What makes this so hard for the lovely little cherubs of theses days to understand. Your ZIP card is your responsibility, you need to make sure it is on your person if you want to use it. If you don't have it, you go and get it. And how did they get to school, if they forgot their pass. Exactly 100% agreed with your statement that's what I meant by some kids do take the pi** why should it be any different for a school child?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 15, 2022 1:05:53 GMT
Out of interest, has anyone who replied watched the video? I saw it on the news earlier last night and two important things to mention regardless of anyone's view point is:
Kids were asking to be let on whilst travelling to & from school in the event of having a lost/stolen from them/forgotten card rather than outside the school hours period
The main reason for asking for this discretion is due to the children feeling unsafe as a result of the much increased crime among kids in this day and age
I'm firmly on the fence on this as I can see both sides here but thought it was important to put those points across for context purpose as someone will comment without watching
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 15, 2022 6:08:10 GMT
Out of interest, has anyone who replied watched the video? I saw it on the news earlier last night and two important things to mention regardless of anyone's view point is: Kids were asking to be let on whilst travelling to & from school in the event of having a lost/stolen from them/forgotten card rather than outside the school hours period The main reason for asking for this discretion is due to the children feeling unsafe as a result of the much increased crime among kids in this day and age I'm firmly on the fence on this as I can see both sides here but thought it was important to put those points across for context purpose as someone will comment without watching I personally have never seen a driver refuse a child whilst in uniform so this report to me seems unnecessary. I have seen drivers query out of uniform aged school children, but again never refuse them. I’m not doubting that there are drivers out there that have and do refuse them but if 99% of them do, it’s pointless to single out the 1%.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 15, 2022 6:43:09 GMT
Out of interest, has anyone who replied watched the video? I saw it on the news earlier last night and two important things to mention regardless of anyone's view point is: Kids were asking to be let on whilst travelling to & from school in the event of having a lost/stolen from them/forgotten card rather than outside the school hours period The main reason for asking for this discretion is due to the children feeling unsafe as a result of the much increased crime among kids in this day and age I'm firmly on the fence on this as I can see both sides here but thought it was important to put those points across for context purpose as someone will comment without watching I personally have never seen a driver refuse a child whilst in uniform so this report to me seems unnecessary. I have seen drivers query out of uniform aged school children, but again never refuse them. I’m not doubting that there are drivers out there that have and do refuse them but if 99% of them do, it’s pointless to single out the 1%. Its certainly higher than 1%, I see children in school uniform without Zip cards get told to get off on almost a daily basis here. Obvious issue is that if you allow school uniform itself as a free pass, all sorts of people will start donning ties and blazers claiming to be in uniform for free travel.
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Post by SILENCED on Jul 15, 2022 7:44:13 GMT
Out of interest, has anyone who replied watched the video? I saw it on the news earlier last night and two important things to mention regardless of anyone's view point is: Kids were asking to be let on whilst travelling to & from school in the event of having a lost/stolen from them/forgotten card rather than outside the school hours period The main reason for asking for this discretion is due to the children feeling unsafe as a result of the much increased crime among kids in this day and age I'm firmly on the fence on this as I can see both sides here but thought it was important to put those points across for context purpose as someone will comment without watching Again I ask, how does that differ from what we experienced as kids. If they have lost/had card stolen from school, they should get a letter from the school. If the card is lost stolen before they leave home, the parents should supply them with alternative methods of travel. Why would a parent, send their kid to school with no method to pay for a bus fare, if the really needed to use the bus to get there and home, if they considered their kids vulnerable? You just would not do it! What exactly makes all the kids vulnerable that did not happen 30-50 years ago. We had child murderers and kidnappers in our day. I know kids that had to walk home from Central Croydon (from school) as they had lost their passes. Kids these days are spoilt and pampered, expect everything to be given to them on a plate. Kids constantly say they want to be treated like adults, then behave like this. Finally, how often does a card get lost or stolen? If kids are really considered vulnerable, they school can phone their parents to come and pick them up. The term vulnerable these days, not just used by school kids, is often used as a term of self entitlement rather than any genuine danger these days.
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