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Post by greenboy on Jul 16, 2022 17:16:42 GMT
Agree completely and many people avoid bus travel at school times for the same reason, often impossible to get on the bus anyway. Now the obvious question is why are TfL and/or the police not going round schools with CCTV footage and identifying the trouble makers and removing their free travel entitlement? It's not fair on the well behaved children, bus drivers or anyone else. There are too many routes affected and schools and children causing chaos. People on this forum are from all over London and can name plenty of routes that are overcrowded with mishbehaving kids. I would offer up the 44, 270, 156, 152, 163, 164, 57 and 131, I could go on and that's just one person's experience in one small section of London. I can name plenty and clearly something has got to be done about it. It's not going to happen overnight but once word gets around that free travel entitlement is being removed from those who can't behave in an acceptable way there's likely to be an improvement.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 16, 2022 17:59:32 GMT
On the flip side school children in my local school route the 678 tend to favour the single decker 325 meaning less space for other passengers.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jul 16, 2022 18:21:34 GMT
I don't want to be too harsh on young people, I was one not so long ago (where has the time gone?). I want to avoid making stereotypes or generalising all young people these days because I know when I was a teenager I hated being stereotyped because of the actions of some people my age. However, I will say this. I used to use the E8 regularly but I would avoid the route during school kickout times as it could be absolutely hellish. The behaviour of some school kids on the bus was absolutely outrageous; fighting, shouting, relentlessly ringing bells it could be appalling. Some of the people on there seemed to have no respect or consideration for others with how they conducted themselves on the bus, showing a completely lack of self-awareness. There seems to have been a decline in respect for authority amongst young people these days, when they've forgotten their zip card I've seen some of them tell the driver they've forgotten their zip card and not listen to the driver's reply or not respect what they driver says - ruder still I've seem some walk straight past the driver and refuse to come back when the driver calls them. One time I also saw one school kid pass another one his zip card to use again and when the driver tried to reprimand him he had no interest in hearing what the driver had to say, being quite rude back. I've also noticed a rise in teenagers who think its ok to sit at the back and vape. All this nonsense about softer discipline in schools isn't helping - I know a few people who teach and they tell me some of their students talk over them even when they're trying to explain things and the lack of firm sanctions available to them can leave them feeling powerless. Of course there is a balance to be struck, but from what I hear - which admittedly isn't both sides of the argument - some teachers find students have no respect for them or their authority. I don't think drivers should leave young people behind at the bus stop if they've forgotten their zip card if its a one off, its hardly a mortal sin and people need to get home. However, I think they should realise and accept that the behaviour of some of their mates/peers might be part of the reason why the driver doesn't want to let them on. Finally I want to reiterate that I don't want to stereotype all young people. I've had many pleasant journeys on the E8 during school kickout times and it would be totally unfair to tar them all with the same brush. Many of them are perfectly civil and well-behaved on the bus. However, I think the behaviour of a small minority of young people is a reason why drivers might not be so sympathetic to them when they've lost their zip card - though of course the ones who misbehave on the bus aren't necessarily the same ones who forget their zip cards. I think there needs to be better communication between drivers, TFL and schools so if some children are misbehaving they can suffer the consequences. Free travel is a right but with it comes the responsibility to behave on the bus, I'm pretty sure zip cards are issued with conditions of carriage attached. Agree completely and many people avoid bus travel at school times for the same reason, often impossible to get on the bus anyway. Now the obvious question is why are TfL and/or the police not going round schools with CCTV footage and identifying the trouble makers and removing their free travel entitlement? It's not fair on the well behaved children, bus drivers or anyone else. I’d rather the police spend their time solving actual crimes and catching criminals rather than scaring school kids. The responsibility should be placed back onto schools to work with bus operators and TfL. Back when I got my first child oyster photo card in 2005 the school had to sign off on it and for some students they simply didn’t sign. Poor behaviour should not allow for free Oyster cards.
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