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Post by yunus on Aug 23, 2022 19:36:15 GMT
If this thread is not suitable please can staff delete.
Seen as there is a dedicated thread for full Electric buses, I thought that it would be great to have a seperate for Hybrid buses.
My fave Hybrid buses has to be the B5LHs on the 113 as a regular user which is the parellel version.
What's yours? What do you think about the Hybrid bus project? Approx over 3,000 in the TFL fleet (not sure the exact figure).
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Post by bus000009 on Aug 25, 2022 8:17:19 GMT
Alexander Dennis Enviro400 MMC Hybrid is my favourite bus
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Post by yunus on Aug 25, 2022 19:48:33 GMT
Maybe this thread should be deleted! Made it with good intention but only one member posted.
Apologies if it was a mistake being created.
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 25, 2022 20:33:13 GMT
Maybe this thread should be deleted! Made it with good intention but only one member posted. Apologies if it was a mistake being created. I can see why you created it to go with the other ones . London doesn't buy hybrid buses anymore so all the talk is about the electric and hydrogen buses that are now being ordered
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Post by yunus on Aug 25, 2022 21:03:26 GMT
Maybe this thread should be deleted! Made it with good intention but only one member posted. Apologies if it was a mistake being created. I can see why you created it to go with the other ones . London doesn't buy hybrid buses anymore so all the talk is about the electric and hydrogen buses that are now being ordered Yes correct only full Zero Emission Electric + Hydrogen bus are now being produced. Would have been nice to discuss Hybrid buses which were new once upon a time.
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Post by M1104 on Aug 26, 2022 0:50:56 GMT
I can see why you created it to go with the other ones . London doesn't buy hybrid buses anymore so all the talk is about the electric and hydrogen buses that are now being ordered Yes correct only full Zero Emission Electric + Hydrogen bus are now being produced. Would have been nice to discuss Hybrid buses which were new once upon a time. Though it's true they'll be no more new hybrids for London some new contracts starting in 2023 could still be awarded with refurbished hybrids. Those will likely be the last set of awards with the option of those bus types.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Aug 29, 2022 8:06:15 GMT
London probably has more hybrid buses than the rest of the country put together. (Any number crunchers are welcome to prove me wrong though).
My favourites are E400-MMC, Volvo with Gemini 2 or EvoSeti bodywork.
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Post by yunus on Oct 2, 2022 16:17:46 GMT
Cannot recall if I've asked this before but do hybrid buses require any additional facilities at bus garages? We know Electrics do.
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Post by yunus on Oct 2, 2022 16:19:32 GMT
Yes correct only full Zero Emission Electric + Hydrogen bus are now being produced. Would have been nice to discuss Hybrid buses which were new once upon a time. Though it's true they'll be no more new hybrids for London some new contracts starting in 2023 could still be awarded with refurbished hybrids. Those will likely be the last set of awards with the option of those bus types. I am probably wrong "again" but my prediction is that somewhere along the line only full Zero Emission buses will be accepted for new contracts somewhere along the line. Could well be in 2023 but happy to be corrected.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 2, 2022 16:23:53 GMT
Though it's true they'll be no more new hybrids for London some new contracts starting in 2023 could still be awarded with refurbished hybrids. Those will likely be the last set of awards with the option of those bus types. I am probably wrong "again" but my prediction is that somewhere along the line only full Zero Emission buses will be accepted for new contracts somewhere along the line. Could well be in 2023 but happy to be corrected. Personally think that’s very unlikely! We are still seeing contracts being award with existing hybrids starting in 2023. There are lots of very new buses that could easily run for two contracts going towards 2030.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 2, 2022 16:27:55 GMT
Though it's true they'll be no more new hybrids for London some new contracts starting in 2023 could still be awarded with refurbished hybrids. Those will likely be the last set of awards with the option of those bus types. I am probably wrong "again" but my prediction is that somewhere along the line only full Zero Emission buses will be accepted for new contracts somewhere along the line. Could well be in 2023 but happy to be corrected. For a 2037 target, it's likely most buses in London will have made it through at least 2 contract, potentially even 3. We already know the Ex 13 VHs are heading to the 340 which will be their third route. Not to mention chances are routes like the 405, 202, 25 and 425 which all got Hybrids in 2020 will probably see two contracts. Assuming all 4 get extensions, then see out another 7 year contract it will be 2034 until those buses are replaced with zero emission vehicles. We've got diesels themselves sticking around until 2030.
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Post by yunus on Oct 2, 2022 16:35:23 GMT
I am probably wrong "again" but my prediction is that somewhere along the line only full Zero Emission buses will be accepted for new contracts somewhere along the line. Could well be in 2023 but happy to be corrected. For a 2037 target, it's likely most buses in London will have made it through at least 2 contract, potentially even 3. We already know the Ex 13 VHs are heading to the 340 which will be their third route. Not to mention chances are routes like the 405, 202, 25 and 425 which all got Hybrids in 2020 will probably see two contracts. Assuming all 4 get extensions, then see out another 7 year contract it will be 2034 until those buses are replaced with zero emission vehicles. We've got diesels themselves sticking around until 2030. Back in September 2021, I believe the mayor announced that the target was brought forward to 2034? I'm not too sure if mid contract vehicle upgrades ever happen or even likely? Yes your 100% right. The 25, 202, 405 & 425 have new hybrids and replacing them early is not cost efficent unless their batteries start playing up? Kinda recall that was the biggest challenge for hybrids when new in the late 00s.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Oct 2, 2022 16:37:36 GMT
For a 2037 target, it's likely most buses in London will have made it through at least 2 contract, potentially even 3. We already know the Ex 13 VHs are heading to the 340 which will be their third route. Not to mention chances are routes like the 405, 202, 25 and 425 which all got Hybrids in 2020 will probably see two contracts. Assuming all 4 get extensions, then see out another 7 year contract it will be 2034 until those buses are replaced with zero emission vehicles. We've got diesels themselves sticking around until 2030. Back in September 2021, I believe the mayor announced that the target was brought forward to 2034? I'm not too sure if mid contract vehicle upgrades ever happen or even likely? Yes your 100% right. The 25, 202, 405 & 425 have new hybrids and replacing them early is not cost efficent unless their batteries start playing up? Kinda recall that was the biggest challenge for hybrids when new in the late 00s. Considering all routes have capacitors instead of batteries which do not often need a replacement it should be fine. Mid-Contract upgrades aren't going to be worth it unless someone pays for them, which TfL are not in any position to do.
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Post by yunus on Oct 2, 2022 16:38:16 GMT
I am probably wrong "again" but my prediction is that somewhere along the line only full Zero Emission buses will be accepted for new contracts somewhere along the line. Could well be in 2023 but happy to be corrected. Personally think that’s very unlikely! We are still seeing contracts being award with existing hybrids starting in 2023. There are lots of very new buses that could easily run for two contracts going towards 2030. Thinking about it, that makes full sense. Of course I do not know what will happen in the future if the cost of new buses will reduce. On another note off topic, I was thinking of buying a Hybrid car as it seemed economical for Uber etc but a friend warned me not too as they are not the most reliable vehicles therefore planning to stick with a conventional petrol car.
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Post by yunus on Oct 2, 2022 16:41:12 GMT
Back in September 2021, I believe the mayor announced that the target was brought forward to 2034? I'm not too sure if mid contract vehicle upgrades ever happen or even likely? Yes your 100% right. The 25, 202, 405 & 425 have new hybrids and replacing them early is not cost efficent unless their batteries start playing up? Kinda recall that was the biggest challenge for hybrids when new in the late 00s. Considering all routes have capacitors instead of batteries which do not often need a replacement it should be fine. Mid-Contract upgrades aren't going to be worth it unless someone pays for them, which TfL are not in any position to do. If you know any decent reliable sites about capacitors please do share. Lately I've been reading about the different types of Hybrid vehicles from Mild/Smart, to Full Parellel & Series. Gave me a headache 🤣 Wonder what will come next after Electric years later hmm?
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