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Post by northlondon83 on Dec 27, 2022 7:05:53 GMT
So you’re passing judgment without viewing the footage, that seems a bit weird to even admit that. The driver is parked at a stop, not some random street corner. Oh dear, if you read what I said I wasn't passing judgement on this particular incident. Anyway enough of this nonsense. If you're calling this 'nonsense' why are you still commenting
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Post by JamesG on Dec 27, 2022 9:30:50 GMT
I don't see an issue with it at all to be honest, apart from maybe a couple of minutes delay.
Trains have passengers on board all the time without a driver, and as a result anything could be happening and nobody there to answer passenger alarms and the like.
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Post by busman on Dec 27, 2022 10:29:24 GMT
Are drivers humans or caged robots? Can’t believe there are people on a bus enthusiast forum of all places, complaining that a driver left his bus for a few moments to pop into the shop. Was passenger safety compromised? Was any *serious* disruption to the service caused as a result of the brief stop? If not, mind our own business and move on.
Too many people ready to pass judgment without knowledge of the context or detail. I remember when bus drivers popping into local shops - or in some cases shopkeepers coming out to meet drivers with their newspapers, food, whatever - was seen as regular. People would look out for each other, give others the benefit of the doubt and not be so judgmental.
I guess the whole debate about whether this driver was wrong for grabbing a takeaway reflects the direction we are travelling in as a society in London.
Anyway, I hope this blows over and the said driver can continue in his job in peace. I know people who drive or train drivers for Stagecoach and GAL…I’d hate this kind of thing to happen to them. Of those people criticising the driver on here and social media I hope they all remember the random acts of kindness drivers have shown you throughout the years. Being let on the bus back in the day when you lost your child travel card, driver waits for you as you run for the bus, your card doesn’t register so the driver waves you through. The list goes on.
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Post by WH241 on Dec 27, 2022 10:31:20 GMT
I don't see an issue with it at all to be honest, apart from maybe a couple of minutes delay. Trains have passengers on board all the time without a driver, and as a result anything could be happening and nobody there to answer passenger alarms and the like. I just want to put a spin on this from a customer perspective. How would people feel if they were in a shop queuing to pay and the sales assistant stopped serving to go and grab some food? I know some will say its not the same but the passengers are just the same as customers.
I read some of the comments on the video and lots were in support of the driver but wonder how they would have felt if passengers on the bus. Yes bus drivers are human and they get breaks like every other job and layover time (Yes not great and very short). Would people mind a Uber stopping mid route? or a train driver leaving his cab for a snack?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 27, 2022 10:36:50 GMT
Are drivers humans or caged robots? Can’t believe there are people on a bus enthusiast forum of all places, complaining that a driver left his bus for a few moments to pop into the shop. Was passenger safety compromised? Was any *serious* disruption to the service caused as a result of the brief stop? If not, mind our own business and move on. Too many people ready to pass judgment knowledge of the context or detail. I remember when bus drivers popping into local shops - or in some cases shopkeepers coming out to meet drivers with their newspapers, food, whatever - was seen as regular. People would look out for each other, give others the benefit of the doubt and not be so judgmental. I guess the whole debate about whether this driver was wrong for grabbing a takeaway reflects the direction we are travelling in as a society in London. Anyway, I hope this blows over and the said driver can continue in his job in peace. I know people who drive or train drivers for Stagecoach and GAL…I’d hate this kind of thing to happen to them. Of those people criticising the driver on here and social media I hope they all remember the random acts of kindness drivers have shown you throughout the years. Being let on the bus back in the day when you lost your child travel card, driver waits for you as you run for the bus, your card doesn’t register so the driver waves you through. The list goes on. Society is moving to an expectation where if you pay for something, the person who is serving you doesn't wander off halfway. The supermarket example is a good one. You wouldn't expect a shop employee to just walk off, why is a bus driver any different?
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Post by WH241 on Dec 27, 2022 10:40:33 GMT
Are drivers humans or caged robots? Can’t believe there are people on a bus enthusiast forum of all places, complaining that a driver left his bus for a few moments to pop into the shop. Was passenger safety compromised? Was any *serious* disruption to the service caused as a result of the brief stop? If not, mind our own business and move on. Too many people ready to pass judgment knowledge of the context or detail. I remember when bus drivers popping into local shops - or in some cases shopkeepers coming out to meet drivers with their newspapers, food, whatever - was seen as regular. People would look out for each other, give others the benefit of the doubt and not be so judgmental. I guess the whole debate about whether this driver was wrong for grabbing a takeaway reflects the direction we are travelling in as a society in London. Anyway, I hope this blows over and the said driver can continue in his job in peace. I know people who drive or train drivers for Stagecoach and GAL…I’d hate this kind of thing to happen to them. Of those people criticising the driver on here and social media I hope they all remember the random acts of kindness drivers have shown you throughout the years. Being let on the bus back in the day when you lost your child travel card, driver waits for you as you run for the bus, your card doesn’t register so the driver waves you through. The list goes on. Society is moving to an expectation where if you pay for something, the person who is serving you doesn't wander off halfway. The supermarket example is a good one. You wouldn't expect a shop employee to just walk off, why is a bus driver any different? I have seen staff trying it on at Beckton Tesco and its not gone down well with customers.
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 27, 2022 10:41:22 GMT
Are drivers humans or caged robots? Can’t believe there are people on a bus enthusiast forum of all places, complaining that a driver left his bus for a few moments to pop into the shop. Was passenger safety compromised? Was any *serious* disruption to the service caused as a result of the brief stop? If not, mind our own business and move on. Too many people ready to pass judgment knowledge of the context or detail. I remember when bus drivers popping into local shops - or in some cases shopkeepers coming out to meet drivers with their newspapers, food, whatever - was seen as regular. People would look out for each other, give others the benefit of the doubt and not be so judgmental. I guess the whole debate about whether this driver was wrong for grabbing a takeaway reflects the direction we are travelling in as a society in London. Anyway, I hope this blows over and the said driver can continue in his job in peace. I know people who drive or train drivers for Stagecoach and GAL…I’d hate this kind of thing to happen to them. Of those people criticising the driver on here and social media I hope they all remember the random acts of kindness drivers have shown you throughout the years. Being let on the bus back in the day when you lost your child travel card, driver waits for you as you run for the bus, your card doesn’t register so the driver waves you through. The list goes on. Society is moving to an expectation where if you pay for something, the person who is serving you doesn't wander off halfway. The supermarket example is a good one. You wouldn't expect a shop employee to just walk off, why is a bus driver any different? I’ve worked retail before, believe me when I say if it’s my lunch break time I’m walking away from a queue of people. I wouldn’t walk away mid transaction, but I’m d*mn well gonna walk away.
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Post by northlondon83 on Dec 27, 2022 11:02:28 GMT
Society is moving to an expectation where if you pay for something, the person who is serving you doesn't wander off halfway. The supermarket example is a good one. You wouldn't expect a shop employee to just walk off, why is a bus driver any different? I have seen staff trying it on at Beckton Tesco and its not gone down well with customers. That's what breaks are for, not during working time
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 27, 2022 11:16:39 GMT
Society is moving to an expectation where if you pay for something, the person who is serving you doesn't wander off halfway. The supermarket example is a good one. You wouldn't expect a shop employee to just walk off, why is a bus driver any different? I’ve worked retail before, believe me when I say if it’s my lunch break time I’m walking away from a queue of people. I wouldn’t walk away mid transaction, but I’m d*mn well gonna walk away. Although the driver in this situation was almost certainly not on a lunch break. When I worked retail, if a lunch break was approaching they'd often get someone to cover you before you went off.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 27, 2022 12:23:01 GMT
They were both filmed by members of the public, whether we like it or not it's part and parcel of day to day life nowadays. Personally, the biggest issue for me is why people are bothered that a driver has stopped off for food - providing he isn't there for a long time, it wouldn't be an issue for me as a passenger on the bus. I can remember this happening with some Arriva drivers on the 2 who'd stop off at a particular cafe for a tea/coffee or to get change (this was pre cashless payment on buses) and I wasn't that bothered by it admittedly. Years ago I used to stop at a shop to get change along route. It used to happen when I drove routes like 48 or 55. Sometimes you started with £20 or £30 float, then ended up being cleaned out, at the ends of the route, sometimes you went shop or seek another colleague to change money. But other times it was worst and on route you got a load of people keep coming on with notes. Some would then also beg to ride saying that they would come back as you may get other passengers to get change along the route. So I used to then pull up at a shop by a bus stop, tell everyone that I was going to get change. Handbrake on, neutral, engine off, close cab door and leave exit door open. That was what we were instructed to do from training school, that way you would not get into any trouble. It usually was a minute or less than back on the move. As for getting food from the shop, I NEVER did this, and imo it does not look professional. I know some colleagues that did this, although they had pre-order, so then just went out the bus and pay and collect. Or one I remember, he used to get the kebab shop keeper to bring it to his bus, he gave them the time he would scheduled to be there, so they then saw when his bus came, bought his food, he paid them and he was off, no real delay. I preferred to stop my bus running light to go and buy food if that was the case, or when I came off on break itself to buy the food. If the driver in this case was running early, maybe if he said something to the passengers it may not have looked so bad, but the video does not show the full story, even to when he came back into the bus.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 27, 2022 13:41:09 GMT
Are drivers humans or caged robots? Can’t believe there are people on a bus enthusiast forum of all places, complaining that a driver left his bus for a few moments to pop into the shop. Was passenger safety compromised? Was any *serious* disruption to the service caused as a result of the brief stop? If not, mind our own business and move on. Too many people ready to pass judgment without knowledge of the context or detail. I remember when bus drivers popping into local shops - or in some cases shopkeepers coming out to meet drivers with their newspapers, food, whatever - was seen as regular. People would look out for each other, give others the benefit of the doubt and not be so judgmental. I guess the whole debate about whether this driver was wrong for grabbing a takeaway reflects the direction we are travelling in as a society in London. Anyway, I hope this blows over and the said driver can continue in his job in peace. I know people who drive or train drivers for Stagecoach and GAL…I’d hate this kind of thing to happen to them. Of those people criticising the driver on here and social media I hope they all remember the random acts of kindness drivers have shown you throughout the years. Being let on the bus back in the day when you lost your child travel card, driver waits for you as you run for the bus, your card doesn’t register so the driver waves you through. The list goes on. In total agreement, can't believe all the fuss being made. The driver secured his bus a briefly left, ... yeah and?
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 27, 2022 15:21:58 GMT
Are drivers humans or caged robots? Can’t believe there are people on a bus enthusiast forum of all places, complaining that a driver left his bus for a few moments to pop into the shop. Was passenger safety compromised? Was any *serious* disruption to the service caused as a result of the brief stop? If not, mind our own business and move on. Too many people ready to pass judgment knowledge of the context or detail. I remember when bus drivers popping into local shops - or in some cases shopkeepers coming out to meet drivers with their newspapers, food, whatever - was seen as regular. People would look out for each other, give others the benefit of the doubt and not be so judgmental. I guess the whole debate about whether this driver was wrong for grabbing a takeaway reflects the direction we are travelling in as a society in London. Anyway, I hope this blows over and the said driver can continue in his job in peace. I know people who drive or train drivers for Stagecoach and GAL…I’d hate this kind of thing to happen to them. Of those people criticising the driver on here and social media I hope they all remember the random acts of kindness drivers have shown you throughout the years. Being let on the bus back in the day when you lost your child travel card, driver waits for you as you run for the bus, your card doesn’t register so the driver waves you through. The list goes on. Society is moving to an expectation where if you pay for something, the person who is serving you doesn't wander off halfway. The supermarket example is a good one. You wouldn't expect a shop employee to just walk off, why is a bus driver any different? It is not costing the passenger anymore if the bus stops for a few minutes I can understand if it was a Taxi driver. Some drivers are also diabetic so stopping off at a shop could actually save their life… as usual though no one would care. If a driver died at work the public probably would not even notice and would complain their journey was disrupted.
Overall now. I have taken mid route toilet breaks before and no one has complained I made an announcement the passengers were very relaxed about it. I have had passengers board my bus and I advise them I am going to be holding here for a few minutes even though a bus in front can get them there quicker, which actually shows not everyone is in a hurry. In all honesty I think this thread should now be locked. Just shows that some people think we a robots with no feelings, want the best possible service and have no idea of the working conditions. Most importantly of all if this was a Stagecoach driver doing this I wonder if this would have been posted on the forum… probably not.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 27, 2022 15:58:09 GMT
Society is moving to an expectation where if you pay for something, the person who is serving you doesn't wander off halfway. The supermarket example is a good one. You wouldn't expect a shop employee to just walk off, why is a bus driver any different? It is not costing the passenger anymore if the bus stops for a few minutes I can understand if it was a Taxi driver. Some drivers are also diabetic so stopping off at a shop could actually save their life… as usual though no one would care. If a driver died at work the public probably would not even notice and would complain their journey was disrupted.
Overall now. I have taken mid route toilet breaks before and no one has complained I made an announcement the passengers were very relaxed about it. I have had passengers board my bus and I advise them I am going to be holding here for a few minutes even though a bus in front can get them there quicker, which actually shows not everyone is in a hurry. In all honesty I think this thread should now be locked. Just shows that some people think we a robots with no feelings, want the best possible service and have no idea of the working conditions. Most importantly of all if this was a Stagecoach driver doing this I wonder if this would have been posted on the forum… probably not. Nobody said drivers were robots, but the point is I'm sure the driver wasn't going to suffer if they didn't go to the chicken shop. They chose to, and they had the full ability to judge whether it was appropriate or not. When you make mistakes, whether or not they were intentional you need to accept a consequence might be coming your way. If I decided to do this in my job, someone would be dead the next second. Are bus drivers special where they can skive off for a few seconds whenever they like?
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Post by northlondon83 on Dec 27, 2022 16:03:49 GMT
It is not costing the passenger anymore if the bus stops for a few minutes I can understand if it was a Taxi driver. Some drivers are also diabetic so stopping off at a shop could actually save their life… as usual though no one would care. If a driver died at work the public probably would not even notice and would complain their journey was disrupted.
Overall now. I have taken mid route toilet breaks before and no one has complained I made an announcement the passengers were very relaxed about it. I have had passengers board my bus and I advise them I am going to be holding here for a few minutes even though a bus in front can get them there quicker, which actually shows not everyone is in a hurry. In all honesty I think this thread should now be locked. Just shows that some people think we a robots with no feelings, want the best possible service and have no idea of the working conditions. Most importantly of all if this was a Stagecoach driver doing this I wonder if this would have been posted on the forum… probably not. Nobody said drivers were robots, but the point is I'm sure the driver wasn't going to suffer if they didn't go to the chicken shop. They chose to, and they had the full ability to judge whether it was appropriate or not. When you make mistakes, whether or not they were intentional you need to accept a consequence might be coming your way. If I decided to do this in my job, someone would be dead the next second. Are bus drivers special where they can skive off for a few seconds whenever they like? Nobody knows what medical issues the driver could have, I think there's several factors that play into this discussion, not just that he was hungry. Though as I said before I think he should have had food with him. Who knows maybe he didn't eat before the shift, though that's on him. I also think that it depends on the profession you work in, whilst unprofessional, I don't think it would be the end of the world if the driver alerted his passengers that he was getting food. Mind you this isn't the first time I've seen this happen. Also if this happened multiple times with the same driver then we'd run into issues. I'd suggest that he should be given some sort of disciplinary warning but his job should definitely not be on the line unless this is a regular occurance.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 27, 2022 16:07:10 GMT
Nobody said drivers were robots, but the point is I'm sure the driver wasn't going to suffer if they didn't go to the chicken shop. They chose to, and they had the full ability to judge whether it was appropriate or not. When you make mistakes, whether or not they were intentional you need to accept a consequence might be coming your way. If I decided to do this in my job, someone would be dead the next second. Are bus drivers special where they can skive off for a few seconds whenever they like? Nobody knows what medical issues the driver could have, I think there's several factors that play into this discussion, not just that he was hungry. Though as I said before I think he should have had food with him. Who knows maybe he didn't eat before the shift, though that's on him. I also think that it depends on the profession you work in, whilst unprofessional, I don't think it would be the end of the world if the driver alerted his passengers that he was getting food. Mind you this isn't the first time I've seen this happen. Also if this happened multiple times with the same driver then we'd run into issues. I'd suggest that he should be given some sort of disciplinary warning but his job should definitely not be on the line unless this is a regular occurance. Totally agree, I think a gentle word with him from his superior is all he needs after this.
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