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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 6, 2023 10:48:02 GMT
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 6, 2023 11:02:32 GMT
proposed changes to routes 102, 189, 210, 232, 266, 316, 326 and C11 |
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 6, 2023 11:32:25 GMT
proposed changes to routes 102, 189, 210, 232, 266, 316, 326 and C11 These service changes may take place over a period of time as development expands and areas become more occupied, so no exact date for implementation. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 6, 2023 11:45:19 GMT
proposed changes to routes 102, 189, 210, 232, 266, 316, 326 and C11 These service changes may take place over a period of time as development expands and areas become more occupied, so no exact date for implementation. I have to say a little underwhelming really. Obviously with the 16 being withdrawn the scope of bringing a major new central link to the area has gone but the 316 is really the only improvement and expansion as opposed to the other routes simply switching their local approach roads towards Brent Cross. |
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Post by kmkcheng on Mar 6, 2023 11:58:39 GMT
These service changes may take place over a period of time as development expands and areas become more occupied, so no exact date for implementation. I have to say a little underwhelming really. Obviously with the 16 being withdrawn the scope of bringing a major new central link to the area has gone but the 316 is really the only improvement and expansion as opposed to the other routes simply switching their local approach roads towards Brent Cross. The 326 gets an extension as well to the new station |
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Post by VMH2537 on Mar 6, 2023 12:06:53 GMT
Lots of missed opportunities. A new link to Mill Hill East? Frequency increase to the 324? Double decking the 232, 316 and the 143? Seems work was done at the bare minimum to support the developments for capacity rather than exploring opportunities to support. Quite disappointed in this from TfL when this was said to be one of the improvements from the ULEZ expansion rather there isn't any.
Edit: Noticed the N102 isn't included in this as well.
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Post by redbus on Mar 6, 2023 12:11:09 GMT
These service changes may take place over a period of time as development expands and areas become more occupied, so no exact date for implementation. I have to say a little underwhelming really. Obviously with the 16 being withdrawn the scope of bringing a major new central link to the area has gone but the 316 is really the only improvement and expansion as opposed to the other routes simply switching their local approach roads towards Brent Cross. The 189 will serve the area which will provide a central London link. I agree it is underwhelming overall. yes, there are small extensions but if you take all the affected routes and look at the overall likely PVR and mileage increase it is really quite small. If we are looking to improve outer London bus services then something more on an altogether different scale is needed. These changes are just small modifications to serve new roads and a station, with no real overall capacity or frequency increase. I daresay the savings in axing the 16 will be more than the additional cost of these changes. |
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Post by aaron1 on Mar 6, 2023 12:48:36 GMT
I am surprised that there only extending the 316 to Staples Corner Retail Park instead of the new bus station I wonder why
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Post by JUNIOR26 on Mar 6, 2023 13:03:16 GMT
I am surprised that there only extending the 316 to Staples Corner Retail Park instead of the new bus station I wonder why It is being extended to Brent Cross West Station, where it will terminate, then towards White City it will depart from the station via the retail park. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 6, 2023 13:13:20 GMT
Regardless of the redevelopments around Brent Cross, I'm surprised there won't be a few more routes directly serving the new station. Brent Cross West brings various areas much closer to a Thameslink station - particularly the residential area around Crest Road.
And as others have said, a missed opportunity to introduce some wider changes to/from Brent Cross, such as some new links, or increasing capacity on busy routes like the 143 and 232.
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Post by londonbuses184 on Mar 6, 2023 13:30:39 GMT
Regardless of the redevelopments around Brent Cross, I'm surprised there won't be a few more routes directly serving the new station. Brent Cross West brings various areas much closer to a Thameslink station - particularly the residential area around Crest Road. And as others have said, a missed opportunity to introduce some wider changes to/from Brent Cross, such as some new links, or increasing capacity on busy routes like the 143 and 232. I think this is a good thing tbh because you don't want too many routes going down there and there's no demand for it. Let's see how this pans out first and if there is significant demand then TFL can review this again. |
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Post by cardinal on Mar 6, 2023 17:11:49 GMT
326 gets a nice little extension there - maybe an extra bus or maybe two.
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 6, 2023 17:45:43 GMT
Consultations galore today...
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Post by VMH2537 on Mar 6, 2023 17:48:53 GMT
Regardless of the redevelopments around Brent Cross, I'm surprised there won't be a few more routes directly serving the new station. Brent Cross West brings various areas much closer to a Thameslink station - particularly the residential area around Crest Road. And as others have said, a missed opportunity to introduce some wider changes to/from Brent Cross, such as some new links, or increasing capacity on busy routes like the 143 and 232. Whilst I don't feel these proposals are improvements, I speculate proposals have been scaled back recently following budget pressures on TfL. I do recall the 324 and the 143 were considered for the development plans. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Mar 6, 2023 18:02:25 GMT
Regardless of the redevelopments around Brent Cross, I'm surprised there won't be a few more routes directly serving the new station. Brent Cross West brings various areas much closer to a Thameslink station - particularly the residential area around Crest Road. And as others have said, a missed opportunity to introduce some wider changes to/from Brent Cross, such as some new links, or increasing capacity on busy routes like the 143 and 232. Whilst I don't feel these proposals are improvements, I speculate proposals have been scaled back recently following budget pressures on TfL. I do recall the 324 and the 143 were considered for the development plans. Perhaps there will be a second consultation further down the line once the station is more established, the first phases of housing is completed and there is better infrastructure in place. It could also allow TfL to do more models to see how demand is needed. |
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