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Post by ADH45258 on Nov 27, 2023 1:38:47 GMT
The last tender for the X26 a night service which I think may have had some demand at the Heathrow end but I agree I think the limited stop structure wouldhn't have found huge demand. I think the SL7 is the one that actually has a case for a 24 hour service unlike the rest simply because of the lack of 24 hour connections running alongside parts of it and the fact Heathrow operates at early hours There's already the 285 covering all of the SL7's stops between Heathrow and Kingston at night, then connecting to the 213 for Worcester Park and Sutton. Though you could maybe consider making the shortened 407 a 24-hour service to cover the remaining Sutton-Croydon section? As others have said already, there's not much point having a night service on any limited stop route, but could look at offering all-stops night services to parallel the remaining sections of the superloop, mostly just along the SL1/SL3/SL10. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 27, 2023 9:28:09 GMT
Do you think that they’ll be more Superloop routes after the current lot have been introduced? Ealing Broadway - Greenford - Harrow Bus Station is one that I would like to see, tricky to get to Harrow from much of the central part of London Borough of Ealing by bus or tube at the moment. The 483 takes a very convoluted route. Southall - Greenford - Harrow Bus Station is also worth considering. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 27, 2023 9:43:47 GMT
Do you think that they’ll be more Superloop routes after the current lot have been introduced? Ealing Broadway - Greenford - Harrow Bus Station is one that I would like to see, tricky to get to Harrow from much of the central part of London Borough of Ealing by bus or tube at the moment. The 483 takes a very convoluted route. Southall - Greenford - Harrow Bus Station is also worth considering. Bromley to Woolwich would also be an obvious one. Had the new routes not been so focused on being a continuous loop around outer London then that would have been an obvious route linking Bromley, Grove Park, Eltham, Well Hall, Queen Elizabeth Hosp to Woolwich. Whilst I don't deny there is some advantage to providing a quicker route along an existing route I do feel limited stop/express routes should be more about providing links which stopping services are just too long to provide ie Croydon/Sutton to Heathrow, Harrow to Heathrow, Uxbridge to Shepherds Bush, Walthamstow to North Woolwich and back in the day Thamesmead to Oxford Circus. |
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Post by cardinal on Nov 27, 2023 10:43:31 GMT
Agree the SL7 should be 24/7 . Some may argue shifts commence around 5am but passengers may wish to arrive at the airport earlier than this.
Also agree the 183 should be 24/7. Kenton doesn’t have a night bus at all at present.
My trips so far on the SL10 have been pretty quiet. Service thus far is spot on. Some regulating going on.
I’m feeling sorry for the customer services ladies and gents out there in the cold and wet today. But I’m now the proud owner of a superloop badge which is nice.
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Post by mark on Nov 27, 2023 11:51:01 GMT
I think the only two that should run at night are the SL7 and SL9 but only because they link to Heathrow and despite no night flights plenty of people will need to be there early for morning flights. A recent FOI request revealed that early morning bus services to the wider Heathrow Airport area on routes 81, 482 and N9 are some of the most overcrowded on the entire bus network at any time of day. It didn’t say they were overcrowded but that they were the busiest in terms of pax load vs capacity provided. |
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Post by rif153 on Nov 27, 2023 17:36:25 GMT
I think the SL7 is the one that actually has a case for a 24 hour service unlike the rest simply because of the lack of 24 hour connections running alongside parts of it and the fact Heathrow operates at early hours There's already the 285 covering all of the SL7's stops between Heathrow and Kingston at night, then connecting to the 213 for Worcester Park and Sutton. Though you could maybe consider making the shortened 407 a 24-hour service to cover the remaining Sutton-Croydon section? As others have said already, there's not much point having a night service on any limited stop route, but could look at offering all-stops night services to parallel the remaining sections of the superloop, mostly just along the SL1/SL3/SL10. N213 used to serve Sutton-Croydon, albeit via the 154's routing, at night but was binned off a while back. I've no idea how well it was used or if there'd be any value in looking at bringing it back. |
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Post by greenboy on Nov 27, 2023 18:09:44 GMT
There's already the 285 covering all of the SL7's stops between Heathrow and Kingston at night, then connecting to the 213 for Worcester Park and Sutton. Though you could maybe consider making the shortened 407 a 24-hour service to cover the remaining Sutton-Croydon section? As others have said already, there's not much point having a night service on any limited stop route, but could look at offering all-stops night services to parallel the remaining sections of the superloop, mostly just along the SL1/SL3/SL10. N213 used to serve Sutton-Croydon, albeit via the 154's routing, at night but was binned off a while back. I've no idea how well it was used or if there'd be any value in looking at bringing it back. It was TfL trying to standardise everything, the N213 was reduced to Kingston to Sutton as per the daytime route and it was intended to make the 154 24 hour but for whatever reason that didn't happen. Sutton to Croydon certainly deserves some night service either via the 154 or 407. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 27, 2023 19:13:02 GMT
N213 used to serve Sutton-Croydon, albeit via the 154's routing, at night but was binned off a while back. I've no idea how well it was used or if there'd be any value in looking at bringing it back. It was TfL trying to standardise everything, the N213 was reduced to Kingston to Sutton as per the daytime route and it was intended to make the 154 24 hour but for whatever reason that didn't happen. Sutton to Croydon certainly deserves some night service either via the 154 or 407. To me it's quite a glaring gap in the night bus network. I seem to recall the figure of around 29k was using that section annually by the time it was cut in 2009. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Nov 27, 2023 20:43:49 GMT
It was TfL trying to standardise everything, the N213 was reduced to Kingston to Sutton as per the daytime route and it was intended to make the 154 24 hour but for whatever reason that didn't happen. Sutton to Croydon certainly deserves some night service either via the 154 or 407. To me it's quite a glaring gap in the night bus network. I seem to recall the figure of around 29k was using that section annually by the time it was cut in 2009. However since then both nightclubs in Sutton have closed and there aren’t really any bars open beyond 1am, plenty of time to catch the last 154 or 407. Croydon isn’t much better for nightlife anymore. It’s a shame the utterly useless Amy Lame doesn’t recognise the night economy beyond Camden and Westminster yet still gets paid 117k annually. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 27, 2023 20:52:23 GMT
To me it's quite a glaring gap in the night bus network. I seem to recall the figure of around 29k was using that section annually by the time it was cut in 2009. However since then both nightclubs in Sutton have closed and there aren’t really any bars open beyond 1am, plenty of time to catch the last 154 or 407. Croydon isn’t much better for nightlife anymore. It’s a shame the utterly useless Amy Lame doesn’t recognise the night economy beyond Camden and Westminster yet still gets paid 117k annually. I know it a shame that the area has no late night entertainment now. |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 27, 2023 22:14:48 GMT
To me it's quite a glaring gap in the night bus network. I seem to recall the figure of around 29k was using that section annually by the time it was cut in 2009. However since then both nightclubs in Sutton have closed and there aren’t really any bars open beyond 1am, plenty of time to catch the last 154 or 407. Croydon isn’t much better for nightlife anymore. It’s a shame the utterly useless Amy Lame doesn’t recognise the night economy beyond Camden and Westminster yet still gets paid 117k annually. Must be an Outer London thing as nightlife is still going strong in Clapham & Brixton even with the latter having no O2 Academy to call upon |
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Post by abellion on Nov 27, 2023 22:36:08 GMT
However since then both nightclubs in Sutton have closed and there aren’t really any bars open beyond 1am, plenty of time to catch the last 154 or 407. Croydon isn’t much better for nightlife anymore. It’s a shame the utterly useless Amy Lame doesn’t recognise the night economy beyond Camden and Westminster yet still gets paid 117k annually. Must be an Outer London thing as nightlife is still going strong in Clapham & Brixton even with the latter having no O2 Academy to call upon Even going inner not everywhere is busy. I use the N155 all of the time and no matter how crowded it is ( usually southbound) everywhere between Morden and Elephant is dead outside of Clapham Common and High St |
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Post by londonbuses184 on Nov 27, 2023 23:13:33 GMT
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Post by matthieu1221 on Nov 28, 2023 18:54:17 GMT
Do you think that they’ll be more Superloop routes after the current lot have been introduced? Depends who will be elected!
Board documents suggest that first review into Superloop implementation will occur during Spring of next year if I recall correctly. So that'll give us an idea if they think the concept is working well or not.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 28, 2023 19:02:47 GMT
Do you think that they’ll be more Superloop routes after the current lot have been introduced? Depends who will be elected!
Board documents suggest that first review into Superloop implementation will occur during Spring of next year if I recall correctly. So that'll give us an idea if they think the concept is working well or not.
We know the concept can work well - the X140 was effectively a Superloop route in all but name and achieved higher passenger numbers along the 140 corridor and greater passenger satisfaction. You are right to expect a review though, to see which routes are meeting the objectives and which need some tweaking. I would hope the review would also take into account the effect on non-Superloop routes - I don't just mean abstraction from parallel routes such as the 183, 34 and 123, but also the numbers of passengers using other routes to connect in or out of a Superloop service. |
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