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Post by DT 11 on Jun 3, 2024 21:59:31 GMT
Agreed there are plenty of examples. In the last few months Route P5 is now displaying on LED Nine Elms, Patmore Estate. Overall the destinations are always being changed and getting pointless updates so who can keep up with it. Some updates are good some useless. Reminds me when someone dived in and changed the 45 from 'Elephant & Castle' to 'Elephant and Castle'. Funnily enough someone then went and reversed it too. I agree there's quite a few updates that are quite good but others also seem to be someone doing a bit of salary justification at TfL towers. That change I think was a glitch. The announcement is now the very tired and sounds like she is fed up.
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Post by VH45241 on Jun 4, 2024 5:54:37 GMT
I hope they do change the timetable for the SL2 from headway to time come renewal. They just need to change the timetable. SL2/SL10 have inflated timetables that are helpful when there is disruption but this may only occur on say 20% of the days journeys or even less for SL10, and yet we are faced with slow journeys on the rest of the 80%. I think I mentioned before a SL10 driver showed me his duty card and explained why he was holding so much. He was told to stick to the timetable, a timetable which had us doing Hendon to Harrow in 34 minutes or so and the 183 doing in 30 with an extra 20 stops or so. So the timetables need to be adjusted quicker. Any other assessment that would involve improving the express element may be seen as TfL encouraging speeding and increasing safety risk. So for example, bonus for journeys under X time or something will just not happen. One thing they could do is prevent regulation on express routes. If a X buses are at a stop for more than 3 minutes in a day, then there is a fine or something. This may also help speedy driver changes. I think maybe split assessments. A different assessment during the peak times (milage with inflated timetable) and another during the off peak (headway with reduced running time). The way it works is if it’s 4 buses per hour we have to follow the times on our duty cards on our mdt it shows us if we are early or late, if it’s 5 buses per hour it’s headway, on our mdt it shows how far the bus is in front and we have to stick to 5 bars
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 4, 2024 18:40:06 GMT
It's been around a year since TFL updated the names for the terminus of the 174 and 365, yet most enviros and all EV's still have the old destinations... yet we see no one complaining about this because 'its an existing route' or because DX/Arriva doesn't operate it... I don’t mean to sound harsh but have you joined just to vent about the 365? I appreciate you might be annoyed about certain aspects but not sure what your aim is with these posts. Also what does this have to do with SuperLoop route proposals? Just replying to the people criticising DX for not having proper blinds for the SL2 when other garages like RM have had wrong blinds for a year yet no one complains. I do like the 365 its just that TFL and Stagecoach can't seem to figure out how to fix the route from its issues of 'delays' I personally have had horrible experiences with Stagecoach both BK and RM with how appalling they run their routes and maintain their buses (more RM than BK)
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 4, 2024 18:44:30 GMT
It's been around a year since TFL updated the names for the terminus of the 174 and 365, yet most enviros and all EV's still have the old destinations... yet we see no one complaining about this because 'its an existing route' or because DX/Arriva doesn't operate it... What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all. Maybe because on the 365 the destination went from 'Orchard Village' to 'Beam Park New Road' and on the 174 from 'Dagenham Marsh Way' to 'Beam Park Marsh Way Industrial Area' a very big difference compared to for example the 396 with 'Ilford Hill' or 'Goodmayes King George Hospital' where it isnt that big of a difference. Which I think should get updated so people don't think the bus is curtailed seen as stagecoach RM love changing only the blinds without properly updating the ibus so it shows the actual destination rather than the curtailed one. Also DX somehow can blind their buses on the 150 and 175 and do so pretty well given the age of their vehicles and provide a decent service unlike a certain crappy operator the 175 used to have...
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 4, 2024 19:32:00 GMT
What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all. Maybe because on the 365 the destination went from 'Orchard Village' to 'Beam Park New Road' and on the 174 from 'Dagenham Marsh Way' to 'Beam Park Marsh Way Industrial Area' a very big difference compared to for example the 396 with 'Ilford Hill' or 'Goodmayes King George Hospital' where it isnt that big of a difference. Which I think should get updated so people don't think the bus is curtailed seen as stagecoach RM love changing only the blinds without properly updating the ibus so it shows the actual destination rather than the curtailed one. Also DX somehow can blind their buses on the 150 and 175 and do so pretty well given the age of their vehicles and provide a decent service unlike a certain crappy operator the 175 used to have... Not sure what DX buses you're seeing that are blinded pretty well? You've not provided me with a single example where an operator just changed the blinds for a renamed destination? Go Ahead and Stagecoach haven't changed the Dalston blind, Metroline haven't changed the U1 blind and there's plenty of other examples.
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 4, 2024 19:42:13 GMT
Maybe because on the 365 the destination went from 'Orchard Village' to 'Beam Park New Road' and on the 174 from 'Dagenham Marsh Way' to 'Beam Park Marsh Way Industrial Area' a very big difference compared to for example the 396 with 'Ilford Hill' or 'Goodmayes King George Hospital' where it isnt that big of a difference. Which I think should get updated so people don't think the bus is curtailed seen as stagecoach RM love changing only the blinds without properly updating the ibus so it shows the actual destination rather than the curtailed one. Also DX somehow can blind their buses on the 150 and 175 and do so pretty well given the age of their vehicles and provide a decent service unlike a certain crappy operator the 175 used to have... Not sure what DX buses you're seeing that are blinded pretty well? You've not provided me with a single example where an operator just changed the blinds for a renamed destination? Go Ahead and Stagecoach haven't changed the Dalston blind, Metroline haven't changed the U1 blind and there's plenty of other examples. The enviros on the 150/175's are always blinded and so are most of the DW's The 365 in 2013 had its terminus renamed from Mard**e Estate to Orchard Village and it was part of its new 2013 contract for the blinds to be renamed to 'Orchard Village'
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 4, 2024 20:36:12 GMT
Not sure what DX buses you're seeing that are blinded pretty well? You've not provided me with a single example where an operator just changed the blinds for a renamed destination? Go Ahead and Stagecoach haven't changed the Dalston blind, Metroline haven't changed the U1 blind and there's plenty of other examples. The enviros on the 150/175's are always blinded and so are most of the DW's The 365 in 2013 had its terminus renamed from Mard**e Estate to Orchard Village and it was part of its new 2013 contract for the blinds to be renamed to 'Orchard Village' That blind was changed as the buses needed new blinds as it was an operator change. You are proposing blinds get changed out of the blue which makes no sense.
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Post by bx04myt on Jun 5, 2024 10:58:09 GMT
It's been around a year since TFL updated the names for the terminus of the 174 and 365, yet most enviros and all EV's still have the old destinations... yet we see no one complaining about this because 'its an existing route' or because DX/Arriva doesn't operate it... What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all.
My reply (not sure why i cant get it out of the box):
Stagecoach changed the blind on the 394 from Islington ANGEL to Islington TOLPUDDLE STREET when the iBus updated.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 5, 2024 11:01:09 GMT
What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all.
My reply (not sure why i cant get it out of the box):
Stagecoach changed the blind on the 394 from Islington ANGEL to Islington TOLPUDDLE STREET when the iBus updated. But surely that was in line with the new contract and bus refurbishment, not just done on a whim.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 5, 2024 11:16:31 GMT
What operator at all in London has randomly changed blinds just because a destination on iBus has changed? There's not a single example of it. The difference Arriva have is that they don't blind buses at all.
My reply (not sure why i cant get it out of the box):
Stagecoach changed the blind on the 394 from Islington ANGEL to Islington TOLPUDDLE STREET when the iBus updated. That wasn't done just because of a destination change, the buses are undergoing refurbishment and there's still quite a few thay have Islington Angel on the blinds as a result.
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 5, 2024 16:18:46 GMT
The enviros on the 150/175's are always blinded and so are most of the DW's The 365 in 2013 had its terminus renamed from Mard**e Estate to Orchard Village and it was part of its new 2013 contract for the blinds to be renamed to 'Orchard Village' That blind was changed as the buses needed new blinds as it was an operator change. You are proposing blinds get changed out of the blue which makes no sense. It went from First to Stagecoach but it was mandated under the new contract, with the ibus changing too if the route was to be kept by First, they probably would've updated the blinds... The current blinds are from 2013 which feature routes that Stagecoach doesn't operate anymore (thankfully) like the 103, 175 and 248 and don't feature routes they've gained like the 128 or 498 (not RM but routes but vehicles are interchangeable with NS) so it would make sense for them to update the blinds as well as the destinations as again as I've said, 'Orchard Village' to 'Beam Park New Road' is a major change that can confuse people especially with the habit the 365 drivers have of not following the proper procedure of updating the ibus when the route is curtailed. Stagecoach have updated the BK blinds on some E400's to show 'Ilford Hainault Street' as well as routes the garage doesn't operate, yet could send vehicles to those routes so there isn't an excuse for RM to have outdated blinds that actually confuse people.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 5, 2024 16:24:35 GMT
That blind was changed as the buses needed new blinds as it was an operator change. You are proposing blinds get changed out of the blue which makes no sense. It went from First to Stagecoach but it was mandated under the new contract, with the ibus changing too if the route was to be kept by First, they probably would've updated the blinds... The current blinds are from 2013 which feature routes that Stagecoach doesn't operate anymore (thankfully) like the 103, 175 and 248 and don't feature routes they've gained like the 128 or 498 (not RM but routes but vehicles are interchangeable with NS) so it would make sense for them to update the blinds as well as the destinations as again as I've said, 'Orchard Village' to 'Beam Park New Road' is a major change that can confuse people especially with the habit the 365 drivers have of not following the proper procedure of updating the ibus when the route is curtailed. Stagecoach have updated the BK blinds on some E400's to show 'Ilford Hainault Street' as well as routes the garage doesn't operate, yet could send vehicles to those routes so there isn't an excuse for RM to have outdated blinds that actually confuse people. But BK didn't update them on a whim, they updated them for the 667 and as a result included the updated blinds. You still refuse to see that no operator has ever updated blinds just because a destination changed and none are ever likely to.
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Post by 365tohaveringpark on Jun 5, 2024 16:29:45 GMT
It went from First to Stagecoach but it was mandated under the new contract, with the ibus changing too if the route was to be kept by First, they probably would've updated the blinds... The current blinds are from 2013 which feature routes that Stagecoach doesn't operate anymore (thankfully) like the 103, 175 and 248 and don't feature routes they've gained like the 128 or 498 (not RM but routes but vehicles are interchangeable with NS) so it would make sense for them to update the blinds as well as the destinations as again as I've said, 'Orchard Village' to 'Beam Park New Road' is a major change that can confuse people especially with the habit the 365 drivers have of not following the proper procedure of updating the ibus when the route is curtailed. Stagecoach have updated the BK blinds on some E400's to show 'Ilford Hainault Street' as well as routes the garage doesn't operate, yet could send vehicles to those routes so there isn't an excuse for RM to have outdated blinds that actually confuse people. But BK didn't update them on a whim, they updated them for the 667 and as a result included the updated blinds. You still refuse to see that no operator has ever updated blinds just because a destination changed and none are ever likely to. Again I've said this multiple times... Orchard Village and Beam Park New Road are very different names... It is confusing for many non local people when they wait for the 365 expecting 'Beam Park' on the front for it to eventually arrive and say 'Orchard Village' on it. GY have updated their DW destination blinds before the 248 was their route to include 'Mercury Gardens' for the 370 and 'Rainham Station' for the 103
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Post by enviro498 on Jun 5, 2024 16:34:09 GMT
But BK didn't update them on a whim, they updated them for the 667 and as a result included the updated blinds. You still refuse to see that no operator has ever updated blinds just because a destination changed and none are ever likely to. Again I've said this multiple times... Orchard Village and Beam Park New Road are very different names... It is confusing for many non local people when they wait for the 365 expecting 'Beam Park' on the front for it to eventually arrive and say 'Orchard Village' on it. GY have updated their DW destination blinds before the 248 was their route to include 'Mercury Gardens' for the 370 and 'Rainham Station' for the 103 GY updated their blinds for a reason - to include the 248. They didn’t even order them correctly, it says plain ‘Mercury Gardens’ with no indication that it is in Romford. There is still not one operator that has changed their blinds solely for a destination and not a route.
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Post by DT 11 on Jun 5, 2024 16:38:10 GMT
But BK didn't update them on a whim, they updated them for the 667 and as a result included the updated blinds. You still refuse to see that no operator has ever updated blinds just because a destination changed and none are ever likely to. Again I've said this multiple times... Orchard Village and Beam Park New Road are very different names... It is confusing for many non local people when they wait for the 365 expecting 'Beam Park' on the front for it to eventually arrive and say 'Orchard Village' on it. GY have updated their DW destination blinds before the 248 was their route to include 'Mercury Gardens' for the 370 and 'Rainham Station' for the 103 Is this still going on? Overall who cares at the end of the day no operator is going to update any existing blinds to reflect any iBus change unless on LED blinds at the end of the day the original spec was Orchard Village this is the third change for Route 365 unless TFL are paying for the blinds it won’t change.
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