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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2024 13:09:34 GMT
It was said she did not want to give up the dogs and was against a ban, now the worst has come of it. Very sad story, she was probably a loving owner but this shows why legislation is needed. |
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2024 13:12:13 GMT
There have been spates of maulings in the past from other breeds like Pitbulls - branding them dangerous isn’t going to solve the issue. What I find interesting is the dogs owner is never branded as dangerous yet they are the responsible person. Dog experts have said any breed has the capability to be dangerous if owners don’t look after them responsibly. You say it’s a risk you can do without - the new law hasn’t changed anything so I suggest you lobby the government to do more if your worried Personally I am not worried about it, but there does appear to be some correlation between this breed and attacks? To me that would suggest they are more dangerous than other breeds to have as a pet. If I had young kids, I would not be comfortable with someone down my road owning two or three of these dogs. Providing the owners are responsible, it wouldn't bother me what dogs people have if I have children - the owners are the only issue for me and there should be stricter controls around who can and can't own a dog |
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Post by SILENCED on May 30, 2024 13:22:28 GMT
Personally I am not worried about it, but there does appear to be some correlation between this breed and attacks? To me that would suggest they are more dangerous than other breeds to have as a pet. If I had young kids, I would not be comfortable with someone down my road owning two or three of these dogs. Providing the owners are responsible, it wouldn't bother me what dogs people have if I have children - the owners are the only issue for me and there should be stricter controls around who can and can't own a dog Fair point, but do irresponsible dog owners own other breeds as well? Do these seem to attack people? Why just this breed. There are many options in the breed of dog category, we can do without this one. A lion is a breed of cat, but sure you are not advocating people should be allowed to keep them as pets. Some of the cat family are unsuitable to be pets, just as some of the dog family are. |
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Post by greenboy on May 30, 2024 13:25:28 GMT
There have been spates of maulings in the past from other breeds like Pitbulls - branding them dangerous isn’t going to solve the issue. What I find interesting is the dogs owner is never branded as dangerous yet they are the responsible person. Dog experts have said any breed has the capability to be dangerous if owners don’t look after them responsibly. You say it’s a risk you can do without - the new law hasn’t changed anything so I suggest you lobby the government to do more if your worried Personally I am not worried about it, but there does appear to be some correlation between this breed and attacks? To me that would suggest they are more dangerous than other breeds to have as a pet. If I had young kids, I would not be comfortable with someone down my road owning two or three of these dogs. Your last paragraph is spot on, nobody is going to want these dogs anywhere near their kids. There were stats last year that bullys made up around 1% of the dog population but were responsible for around 44% of dog attacks. I'm sure nobody wants to see dogs euthanized but what alternative is there? |
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2024 13:28:36 GMT
Providing the owners are responsible, it wouldn't bother me what dogs people have if I have children - the owners are the only issue for me and there should be stricter controls around who can and can't own a dog Fair point, but do irresponsible dog owners own other breeds as well? Do these seem to attack people? Why just this breed. There are many options in the breed of dog category, we can do without this one. A lion is a breed of cat, but sure you are not advocating people should be allowed to keep them as pets. Some of the cat family are unsuitable to be pets, just as some of the dog family are. A lion isn't a pet unlike a domesticated cat so no, I wouldn't advocate that. Cats are also completely different to dogs in many respects (they tend to be warier of people and behave more akin to wild animals who keep distance or run from people plus behave as an independent animal compared to a dog) so a comparison between the two doesn't work here IMO. |
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Post by SILENCED on May 30, 2024 13:42:13 GMT
Fair point, but do irresponsible dog owners own other breeds as well? Do these seem to attack people? Why just this breed. There are many options in the breed of dog category, we can do without this one. A lion is a breed of cat, but sure you are not advocating people should be allowed to keep them as pets. Some of the cat family are unsuitable to be pets, just as some of the dog family are. A lion isn't a pet unlike a domesticated cat so no, I wouldn't advocate that. Cats are also completely different to dogs in many respects (they tend to be warier of people and behave more akin to wild animals who keep distance or run from people plus behave as an independent animal compared to a dog) so a comparison between the two doesn't work here IMO. Cats and dogs by nature are not domesticated but wild. Who determines what can be domesticated? So you have declared large cats can not be domesticated, but large dogs can be. Think these attacks show some larger dogs should not be in the domesticated bracket, nature never meant them to be, but someone seemed to think having killer dogs as pets at some point was an acceptable idea. OK, forget cats and stick with the canine family. Do you think Wolves, dingos and jackals should be allowed to be kept as a pet by a 'responsible' owner. |
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2024 15:14:46 GMT
A lion isn't a pet unlike a domesticated cat so no, I wouldn't advocate that. Cats are also completely different to dogs in many respects (they tend to be warier of people and behave more akin to wild animals who keep distance or run from people plus behave as an independent animal compared to a dog) so a comparison between the two doesn't work here IMO. Cats and dogs by nature are not domesticated but wild. Who determines what can be domesticated? So you have declared large cats can not be domesticated, but large dogs can be. Think these attacks show some larger dogs should not be in the domesticated bracket, nature never meant them to be, but someone seemed to think having killer dogs as pets at some point was an acceptable idea. OK, forget cats and stick with the canine family. Do you think Wolves, dingos and jackals should be allowed to be kept as a pet by a 'responsible' owner. Dogs were domesticated at least 100 years ago, if not more - I imagine similar for cats? Throwing up other animals which have never been domesticated and which I imagine never will makes little sense to the argument. Once again, they are only a killer dog if you don't look after them responsibly - pitbulls and rottweilers were not long ago classed as such yet it has been proven by experts and responsible owners that providing you care for it responsibly, your dog won't attack anyone (outside of uncontrollables like any dog, regardless of breed, developing brain cancer or a similar condition) |
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Post by SILENCED on May 30, 2024 17:56:36 GMT
A dog breed that was created by human technology this century have been domesticated for at least a 100 years. If you engineered a cross breed between a household cat and a lion, would you claim it tombe domesticated?
I'm really think you need to revisit that last paragraph! Why are dogs you listed likely to kill and a Labrador not?
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 30, 2024 22:59:41 GMT
It was said she did not want to give up the dogs and was against a ban, now the worst has come of it. The whole demonisation of the breed does need to stop and that new law removed which is absolutely useless and doesn’t improve or prevent anything. If you look after any breed responsibly, it will not maul anyone to death which suggests to me there is more to this story They do NEED to be demonised imo, as they are nothing but that. The person who owned them did look after them properly, she did not see any violence in them, this was even backed up in local press etc. Her children could not understand and was shocked they attacked her. They previously told her to get rid of them due to the red tape over the ban, but she was reluctant to. There are many people with this breed and staffy's that has showed no sign of aggression, then one day they flip completely. |
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Post by vjaska on May 30, 2024 23:38:32 GMT
The whole demonisation of the breed does need to stop and that new law removed which is absolutely useless and doesn’t improve or prevent anything. If you look after any breed responsibly, it will not maul anyone to death which suggests to me there is more to this story They do NEED to be demonised imo, as they are nothing but that. The person who owned them did look after them properly, she did not see any violence in them, this was even backed up in local press etc. Her children could not understand and was shocked they attacked her. They previously told her to get rid of them due to the red tape over the ban, but she was reluctant to. There are many people with this breed and staffy's that has showed no sign of aggression, then one day they flip completely. Dogs will only flip suddenly usually due to some sort of illness like brain cancer and it can happen to practically any breed |
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Post by capitalomnibus on May 31, 2024 1:49:18 GMT
They do NEED to be demonised imo, as they are nothing but that. The person who owned them did look after them properly, she did not see any violence in them, this was even backed up in local press etc. Her children could not understand and was shocked they attacked her. They previously told her to get rid of them due to the red tape over the ban, but she was reluctant to. There are many people with this breed and staffy's that has showed no sign of aggression, then one day they flip completely. Dogs will only flip suddenly usually due to some sort of illness like brain cancer and it can happen to practically any breed The trouble with a Labrador, poodle, etc. if that happened it is not going to tear you to shreds to kill you |
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Post by greenboy on May 31, 2024 9:03:24 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 7, 2024 9:27:33 GMT
Dog bite victim left 'anxious and fearful'A man has been left "anxious and fearful around dogs" after a suspected XL bully mauled his hand in a west London park.www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx88p0lj8pxo
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