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Post by ADH45258 on May 23, 2024 17:26:51 GMT
Surely they'll be using longer buses for the W12? If its taking over the W14 and adding more route, it is going to need longer buses. Reminds me when the W14 was initially launched, it always seemed to struggle with shorter buses and that was when the route was only Claybury Hospital to Leytonstone Station. Will be a epic failure if the W12 ends up with small buses on the revised route! The current W14 is a busy route and the majority of the route remains as it is now. The route would struggle with anything small and dread to think what would happen if it ends up with buses of a similar size to the current W12. I'm sure the W12 will get something longer than the current Solos, since Walthamstow Village will no longer be served. But it may not be able to fit SDs as long as the W12 currently uses - there are still some narrower roads on the revised W12, particularly at the Coppermill Lane terminus. My guess would be 9.4m Metrocities giving a common fleet with the W11? Also the revised W14 may end up using shorter SDs than the current allocation, as some of the local roads around Wanstead likely won't fit 10.8m SDs. Perhaps the same as the above might be ordered, which in this case would give a common fleet with the 339? And I think there's a good chance the W13 will get BZLs, including 1 DD version, with LI already having Volvos on the 58 and 276.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 24, 2024 7:06:34 GMT
Will be a epic failure if the W12 ends up with small buses on the revised route! The current W14 is a busy route and the majority of the route remains as it is now. The route would struggle with anything small and dread to think what would happen if it ends up with buses of a similar size to the current W12. I'm sure the W12 will get something longer than the current Solos, since Walthamstow Village will no longer be served. But it may not be able to fit SDs as long as the W12 currently uses - there are still some narrower roads on the revised W12, particularly at the Coppermill Lane terminus. My guess would be 9.4m Metrocities giving a common fleet with the W11? Also the revised W14 may end up using shorter SDs than the current allocation, as some of the local roads around Wanstead likely won't fit 10.8m SDs. Perhaps the same as the above might be ordered, which in this case would give a common fleet with the 339? And I think there's a good chance the W13 will get BZLs, including 1 DD version, with LI already having Volvos on the 58 and 276. Changes have recently been made in Coppermill Lane area. A disabled parking bay has been moved near the junction of Rensburg Road and Salop Road to enable longer buses to make the left turn. The rest of the turns are fine. However, as you said I dont think it will be that long and it may well be the same type as the W11.
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Post by lonmark on Aug 14, 2024 9:33:57 GMT
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Post by WH241 on Aug 14, 2024 9:44:16 GMT
Repeating a lot of what I said in the past but will say it again now this has been published.
I really don't like the way they describe the W14 as being extended. How is they even say that? I would understand if say the Leyton end remained the same and it was diverted at Woodford to Loughton. The new W14 has very little to do with the old route. They could have kept the old 549 number or a totally new number.
A lot of the existing W12 passengers are going to be in for a shock on the section that drops to every hour from every 30mins.
These changes are going to take some time for passengers to adjust.
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 14, 2024 9:52:11 GMT
Repeating a lot of what I said in the past but will say it again now this has been published. I really don't like the way they describe the W14 as being extended.Ā How is they even say that? I would understand if say the Leyton end remained the same and it was diverted at Woodford to Loughton.Ā The new W14 has very little to do with the old route. They could have kept the old 549 number or a totally new number. A lot of the existing W12 passengers are going to be in for a shock on the section that drops to every hour from every 30mins.
These changes are going to take some time for passengers to adjust.
Literally smoke and mirrors š it's laughable for us as we all know the routes etc but as a regular civilian how confusing is this ? When Tfl claim to be all about "Simplicity" i.e no suffix routes or Via points on blinds and even the timetables at stops no longer showing the whole route just the direction of travel It's going to be an absolute terrible few weeks for the regular users of these routes especially the older and vulnerable who are less likely to have access to online it's shocking to be fair , 549 should of retained its number and the new W13 should be the W14 .
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Post by joefrombow on Aug 14, 2024 9:59:49 GMT
Repeating a lot of what I said in the past but will say it again now this has been published. I really don't like the way they describe the W14 as being extended.Ā How is they even say that? I would understand if say the Leyton end remained the same and it was diverted at Woodford to Loughton.Ā The new W14 has very little to do with the old route. They could have kept the old 549 number or a totally new number. A lot of the existing W12 passengers are going to be in for a shock on the section that drops to every hour from every 30mins.
These changes are going to take some time for passengers to adjust.
Literally smoke and mirrors š it's laughable for us as we all know the routes etc but as a regular civilian how confusing is this ? When Tfl claim to be all about "Simplicity" i.e no suffix routes or Via points on blinds and even the timetables at stops no longer showing the whole route just the direction of travel It's going to be an absolute terrible few weeks for the regular users of these routes especially the older and vulnerable who are less likely to have access to online it's shocking to be fair , 549 should of retained its number and the new W13 should be the W14 . Having just re read that 549 should of kept it's number and W14 be extinguished the whole thing is very very confusing , 549 being extended which is true and enhanced is better than extended W14 which isn't actually the W14 and runs a worst service than the current W14
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Post by lonmark on Aug 14, 2024 10:15:08 GMT
Tbh, TfL can do what they want it to be! Whatever they like it or not! I know passenger service will fall down on bus usage. Just same as Edgware area as bus 303/384/305 etc! (Sorry I can't remember what else number).
Thank god TfL didn't mess Orpington apart from B14 take over R6 soon.
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Post by WH241 on Aug 14, 2024 10:41:13 GMT
Repeating a lot of what I said in the past but will say it again now this has been published. I really don't like the way they describe the W14 as being extended.Ā How is they even say that? I would understand if say the Leyton end remained the same and it was diverted at Woodford to Loughton.Ā The new W14 has very little to do with the old route. They could have kept the old 549 number or a totally new number. A lot of the existing W12 passengers are going to be in for a shock on the section that drops to every hour from every 30mins.
These changes are going to take some time for passengers to adjust.
Literally smoke and mirrors š it's laughable for us as we all know the routes etc but as a regular civilian how confusing is this ? When Tfl claim to be all about "Simplicity" i.e no suffix routes or Via points on blinds and even the timetables at stops no longer showing the whole route just the direction of travel It's going to be an absolute terrible few weeks for the regular users of these routes especially the older and vulnerable who are less likely to have access to online it's shocking to be fair , 549 should of retained its number and the new W13 should be the W14 . It is very confusing. Maybe Iām reading things wrong (Probably) but neither the W12 or W14 will actually going into to Whipps Cross Hospital grounds?
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Post by routew15 on Aug 14, 2024 11:17:13 GMT
Literally smoke and mirrors š it's laughable for us as we all know the routes etc but as a regular civilian how confusing is this ? When Tfl claim to be all about "Simplicity" i.e no suffix routes or Via points on blinds and even the timetables at stops no longer showing the whole route just the direction of travel It's going to be an absolute terrible few weeks for the regular users of these routes especially the older and vulnerable who are less likely to have access to online it's shocking to be fair , 549 should of retained its number and the new W13 should be the W14 . It is very confusing. Maybe Iām reading things wrong (Probably) but neither the W12 or W14 will actually going into to Whipps Cross Hospital grounds? The W12 will go into the Hospital grounds from Lea Bridge Road up until Leytonstone station it essentially becomes the W15/19. The W14 will not go into the Hospital, just to Whipps Cross Bus Stand.
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 14, 2024 16:55:18 GMT
This is a bit of a mess and it was from the start. You forget what the aims are and when it says that it helps improve services to Whipps Cross then you have situation where the passengers that probably needed it in the Village are inconvenienced or have no real means to use the bus. The passengers on Snaresbrook Road have a huge frequency decrease and no direct access to hospital, and even passengers in Woodford Road no longer have a service at all to the hospital. Yet we have now just more buses going between Whipps Cross and Leytonstone which was not really needed. This last part of W12 going via Leytonstone was not needed and could have mitigated some of the issues.
Not sure if the original plan to use 9.7m buses will change on the W12 but will be surprised if they dont have issues at some point getting round Coppermill area.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Aug 14, 2024 17:09:41 GMT
Repeating a lot of what I said in the past but will say it again now this has been published. I really don't like the way they describe the W14 as being extended. How is they even say that? I would understand if say the Leyton end remained the same and it was diverted at Woodford to Loughton. The new W14 has very little to do with the old route. They could have kept the old 549 number or a totally new number. A lot of the existing W12 passengers are going to be in for a shock on the section that drops to every hour from every 30mins.
These changes are going to take some time for passengers to adjust.
Literally smoke and mirrors š it's laughable for us as we all know the routes etc but as a regular civilian how confusing is this ? When Tfl claim to be all about "Simplicity" i.e no suffix routes or Via points on blinds and even the timetables at stops no longer showing the whole route just the direction of travel It's going to be an absolute terrible few weeks for the regular users of these routes especially the older and vulnerable who are less likely to have access to online it's shocking to be fair , 549 should of retained its number and the new W13 should be the W14 . At least we get a map! Small mercies
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 16, 2024 20:14:19 GMT
I'm aware I may have spoken my opinions regarding the changes to the W12, W13, W14 and the 549 routes. Though I'd like to express them again to get a full insight before these changes are implemented.
For Nightingale Lane, an area that was once served by a service coming once every 20 minutes will now be plagued into a service coming every hourly? A scheme thats advertised as "ULEZ Enhancements" now seems very deceptive. From the trimming of the W12's frequency to half-hourly by cause of the criminally cycle lanes and LTN's implemented at Waltham Forest thinking they're 'sustainable' and are 'doing good'. How does this sound particularly fair to users on the road who has nothing to do with the decline to only be thrown under the bus? Yet alone taking playing crayon nonsense with the network when really no drastic changes like this were needed.Ā
If you really wanted to achieve enhanced improved services to Whipps Cross, your simple job was to just restore the former 20 minute frequency on the W12 with maybe possibly some improvements on its Sunday and evenings service. I wish not to start on the justification by Waltham Forest who thinks its okay to have a service pulled from one of their back yards in the village, how would they really define sustainability if a bus service is being taken away to now tell users "oh sorry, but your alternatives are over 500m walking distance", I wonder where they go that advice from? (Cough* Cough*)
The 549 or should I call this the "W14" is being increased to every hourly, yayy! To only restore the frequency as it once was 15 years ago. Like really, is that all you can do TfL? To just restore its former frequency. If this is meant to be a ULEZ support scheme, then please do something more serious than this poo. On roads behind Woodford station and Roding Valley who you may seek to capture to take potential car users would be much better appreciated if you provide at least a frequency every 30 minutes at a minimum, whilst this may not be ideal, its better than missing a bus to find out your going to be stranded there for a while. If I remember, there was a PVR calculation that there will be some resources from these changes that can be diverted to increase the 549/W14's frequency. Though this didn't happen. I wonder why? (Sadiq's Khan and TfL's allergies on investing cross-boundary services)
Next part, from first making the direct the Whipps Cross Hospital link from Woodford into non existent, its very funny how this is advertised as improving hospital service when the opposite has been conducted. Yes, on a fair note there are major benefits without being wholly negative such as Wanstead receiving a direct link to the hospital, additional capacity on the corridor between Leytonstone and Whipps Cross as well Coppermill Lane having services doubled than currently. Even looking at the enhancements from Wanstead and the corridor between the hospital and Leytonstone, an extension of the current W13 can easily be achieved if thats what TfL wanted?
I'm very aware this is nothing but of a rant with my frustration being taking out onto them. Things are really getting worse within this organisation from poor and questionable planning techniques within schemes, awarding contracts to dodgy operators such as RATP and Sullivan (the latter no longer being the case anymore), taking bus lanes away and replacing them with cycle lanes no one ever uses as well as such excess regulations at random locations.
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Post by routew15 on Aug 27, 2024 18:17:33 GMT
W14 tiles have been removed from flags along Woodford Road.
I do hope iBus announcement alerts are placed on the 549/W12/13/14 in the coming days
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Post by WH241 on Aug 27, 2024 19:09:07 GMT
W14 tiles have been removed from flags along Woodford Road. I do hope iBus announcement alerts are placed on the 549/W12/13/14 in the coming days I dread to think of the confusion around South Woodford station where all three revised routes meet. The W12 and W14 along Chigwell Road will also be confusing until passengers adjust!
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 30, 2024 8:05:03 GMT
W14 tiles have been removed from flags along Woodford Road. I do hope iBus announcement alerts are placed on the 549/W12/13/14 in the coming days Some posters have gone up at Walthamstow Central to inform people that W12 will be not be going via the village but does not seem to detail the other changes to W12.
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