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Post by uakari on Aug 16, 2023 18:38:54 GMT
It's once an hour and Hertsmere are providing a subsidy at least for a time. I'm still not quite clear on the precise routing but it looks like it maybe do the loop round Potters Bar clockwise while the new 84 does it anticlockwise. Then reversing in High Barnet via Underhill, Westcombe Drive and Fairfield Way to then go back up Wood Street to Barnet Hospital then back down then on to Hadley Highstone. I'm not entirely sure yet though. From the map here it might be serving the tube station twice, once before serving Barnet Hospital and once after? Yes that's what it looks like if you 'show all stops' on the timetable: bustimes.org/services/84b-barnet-hospital-potters-bar#mapThey have said they want to get a late evening and Sunday service afterwards. The map they used is awful. The roads are very hard to see and not legible at all. Wished they used something like the maps that tfl use. From what I can work out, it seems to be conveying this: Clockwise loop round Potters Bar, allowing people to stay on past Potters Bar station for Church Road, Hatfield Road and Potters Bar High Street until the penultimate bus. The new 84 does the same loop anticlockwise. Then all stops via: - Potters Bar Hospital - Duke of York - Hadley Highstone - Barnet High Street - Barnet Church - High Barnet station - looping back via Underhill, Westcombe Drive and Fairfield Way (including hail and ride) - High Barnet station - Barnet Church - Wood Street - Barnet Hospital - Wood Street - Barnet Church - High Barnet station - looping back via Underhill, Westcombe Drive and Fairfield Way (including hail and ride) - High Barnet station - Barnet Church - Barnet High Street - Hadley Highstone - Duke of York - Potters Bar clockwise loop. With the last bus back from Barnet only going as far as Potters Bar station. The timetable says it can get from Potters Bar station back to Potters Bar station in 55 mins, so will only need one vehicle for the once an hour service. |
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Post by BK15AZR on Aug 18, 2023 10:10:38 GMT
I wonder why they have chosen to call the route 84B and not 84A. Maybe a signifier that it's going to "Barnet", just a guess. |
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 21, 2023 18:29:34 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 21, 2023 19:16:13 GMT
Not a fortune really for the gap it will fill really. Fare revenues I'd have thought would make back some of the money spent. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 21, 2023 19:59:13 GMT
Not a fortune really for the gap it will fill really. Fare revenues I'd have thought would make back some of the money spent. They basically cut funding for PCSOs to pay for this it seems. |
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Post by uakari on Aug 22, 2023 1:16:03 GMT
Not a fortune really for the gap it will fill really. Fare revenues I'd have thought would make back some of the money spent. They basically cut funding for PCSOs to pay for this it seems. Where did you hear that? I understand it was coming from Community Infrastructure Levy funding. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 22, 2023 6:48:28 GMT
They basically cut funding for PCSOs to pay for this it seems. Where did you hear that? I understand it was coming from Community Infrastructure Levy funding. Might not be officially directly related, but the cut was announced end of July. |
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Post by uakari on Aug 22, 2023 7:31:29 GMT
Where did you hear that? I understand it was coming from Community Infrastructure Levy funding. Might not be officially directly related, but the cut was announced end of July. Community Infrastructure Levy is not the same funding source as police. It's for roads, public transport, etc. |
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 22, 2023 7:43:02 GMT
Might not be officially directly related, but the cut was announced end of July. Community Infrastructure Levy is not the same funding source as police. It's for roads, public transport, etc. Yes, but funding can be moved between pots. Police funding can be withdrawn and then reallocated to transport. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 22, 2023 14:09:29 GMT
Community Infrastructure Levy is not the same funding source as police. It's for roads, public transport, etc. Yes, but funding can be moved between pots. Police funding can be withdrawn and then reallocated to transport. It was rumoured the £25m Khan suddenly found for the Central London cuts came from Police and Youth services. |
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Post by uakari on Aug 23, 2023 23:41:33 GMT
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 24, 2023 0:08:18 GMT
It really does sadden me all these organisations arguing eachother on whose fault and responsibility it is. Sadiq Khan playing his political games and Hertfordshire doing the same. I'll be curious if this service even lasts commercially on its alone hourly service. Then we may as well go back to where we were before. Next reasonable steps should at least explore upgrading the frequency to half-hourly and ideally TfL taking over the service. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 24, 2023 9:07:25 GMT
It really does sadden me all these organisations arguing eachother on whose fault and responsibility it is. Sadiq Khan playing his political games and Hertfordshire doing the same. I'll be curious if this service even lasts commercially on its alone hourly service. Then we may as well go back to where we were before. Next reasonable steps should at least explore upgrading the frequency to half-hourly and ideally TfL taking over the service. So you don’t think it will last hourly yet would like it upped in frequency and take on by TfL? Personally I don’t see it lasting, after all CIL funding only goes so far and if the cost were to outweigh the benefits. Besides has there been much development in Hertsmere to fully cover these costs and still enable the wider community to invest in parks, schools, surgeries etc which would also be partially paid for by the CIL? |
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Post by VMH2537 on Aug 24, 2023 9:30:24 GMT
It really does sadden me all these organisations arguing eachother on whose fault and responsibility it is. Sadiq Khan playing his political games and Hertfordshire doing the same. I'll be curious if this service even lasts commercially on its alone hourly service. Then we may as well go back to where we were before. Next reasonable steps should at least explore upgrading the frequency to half-hourly and ideally TfL taking over the service. So you don’t think it will last hourly yet would like it upped in frequency and take on by TfL? Personally I don’t see it lasting, after all CIL funding only goes so far and if the cost were to outweigh the benefits. Besides has there been much development in Hertsmere to fully cover these costs and still enable the wider community to invest in parks, schools, surgeries etc which would also be partially paid for by the CIL? A half-hourly service can attract a much more reasonable custom as opposed to a limited hourly. A more frequent service has always shown to create new demand and attracting users onto a service. Looking at existing capacity and usage doesn't fully result in answering why a service is low used and can't increase in services, rather questions should be asked why users don't use it? Is it because of limited links? Poor frequency? etc. |
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Post by southlondon413 on Aug 24, 2023 9:35:36 GMT
So you don’t think it will last hourly yet would like it upped in frequency and take on by TfL? Personally I don’t see it lasting, after all CIL funding only goes so far and if the cost were to outweigh the benefits. Besides has there been much development in Hertsmere to fully cover these costs and still enable the wider community to invest in parks, schools, surgeries etc which would also be partially paid for by the CIL? A half-hourly service can attract a much more reasonable custom as opposed to a limited hourly. A more frequent service has always shown to create new demand and attracting users onto a service. Looking at existing capacity and usage doesn't fully result in answering why a service is low used and can't increase in services, rather questions should be asked why users don't use it? Is it because of limited links? Poor frequency? etc. Fine, but in this case where the funding is so precarious an hourly service makes more sense. If there is solid demand and numbers are growing week on week then it may be an idea to look at in 5 years. Honestly though I don’t expect the same people who were complaining to be regular users. The CIL funding is only for 12 months max and is dependent on usage. There isn’t even a word on pricing structure, journey times, hours of operation. It’ll be hard to build a cost covering service if the majority of the passengers are likely to be OAPs with freedom passes. |
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