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Post by Busboy105 on Sept 26, 2023 13:41:54 GMT
Tfl are doing the same thing to the R1/R2 that they did to the W12/14/549! The R2 isn't being withdrawn because the R2 isn't being withdrawn. It's the R1 being split in two and being replaced by the R2 extension and the R3 Basically it's being replaced rather than withdrawn. The number R2 will go but not the routing |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 30, 2023 3:35:21 GMT
Eventually, route R11 could be renumbered R2 while route 61 could be renumbered R6.
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 30, 2023 9:07:29 GMT
Eventually, route R11 could be renumbered R2 while route 61 could be renumbered R6. Why |
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 30, 2023 10:25:44 GMT
Eventually, route R11 could be renumbered R2 while route 61 could be renumbered R6. Why These would fill both gaps in the R series. Routes R1 & R11 are similar but would have more distinctive but more adjacent numbers. Also, route 61 is a local Orpington route and would suit an R number. |
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Post by DT 11 on Sept 30, 2023 10:34:15 GMT
These would fill both gaps in the R series. Routes R1 & R11 are similar but would have more distinctive but more adjacent numbers. Also, route 61 is a local Orpington route and would suit an R number. There is no point in that. The 61 is a well established Route and the number does not need to be changed neither does the R11 need to be changed. |
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Post by vjaska on Sept 30, 2023 11:00:41 GMT
These would fill both gaps in the R series. Routes R1 & R11 are similar but would have more distinctive but more adjacent numbers. Also, route 61 is a local Orpington route and would suit an R number. The 61 isn’t a local Orpington route though - unlike the majority of the R routes which are designed to link to Orpington from particular nearby residential areas, the 61 is designed to link to more than just Orpington such as Bromley and even Chislehurst |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 30, 2023 11:43:46 GMT
Eventually, route R11 could be renumbered R2 while route 61 could be renumbered R6. I don't see any point in renumbering the 61 but the R2/R11 suggestion has some merit. Often people with poor eyesight have difficulty telling the R1 and R11 apart, in fact if the R1 rerouting to Biggin Hill does happen that could use the R2 number and the R1 retired. |
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 30, 2023 12:34:45 GMT
Eventually, route R11 could be renumbered R2 while route 61 could be renumbered R6. I don't see any point in renumbering the 61 but the R2/R11 suggestion has some merit. Often people with poor eyesight have difficulty telling the R1 and R11 apart, in fact if the R1 rerouting to Biggin Hill does happen that could use the R2 number and the R1 retired. The best solution in my opinion is for the planned R1 to be numbered R2 (since about 80% of the route is the existing R2) and for the R11 to be renumbered R1. |
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Post by greenboy on Sept 30, 2023 12:39:56 GMT
I don't see any point in renumbering the 61 but the R2/R11 suggestion has some merit. Often people with poor eyesight have difficulty telling the R1 and R11 apart, in fact if the R1 rerouting to Biggin Hill does happen that could use the R2 number and the R1 retired. The best solution in my opinion is for the planned R1 to be numbered R2 (since about 80% of the route is the existing R2) and for the R11 to be renumbered R1. Yes that's what I meant about the R2 but I don't see any point in renumbering the R11. |
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Post by lonmark on Oct 2, 2023 9:55:22 GMT
Eventually, route R11 could be renumbered R2 while route 61 could be renumbered R6. Big no for remembering route 61 to R6 as Route 61 have been running service for many years to come since 1934. R11 shouldn't be change to R2 as it not making a sense. Most people can see R11 with larger single deck buses as R1 only small single deck buses however if it go ahead to Biggin Hill, people will find out if R1 went wrong way via R2 at Orpington. They will get off and head back to station bus stop nearby for Route R3 to correct route to GSG. |
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Post by danorak on Oct 13, 2023 13:22:51 GMT
You can certainly make a case for using R2 rather than R1, but I don't see any pressing reason to change the R11 or 61.
That said, the R-prefix is pretty meaningless in these post Roundabout days. I was surprised the R1 maintained its number when it was changed beyond recognition last time. You might easily argue for a progressive removal of the R-prefix and replacement by 3/4** series numbers as routes are changed. Similarly the B14 is not exactly local to Bexley these days!
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Post by vjaska on Oct 13, 2023 13:31:30 GMT
You can certainly make a case for using R2 rather than R1, but I don't see any pressing reason to change the R11 or 61. That said, the R-prefix is pretty meaningless in these post Roundabout days. I was surprised the R1 maintained its number when it was changed beyond recognition last time. You might easily argue for a progressive removal of the R-prefix and replacement by 3/4** series numbers as routes are changed. Similarly the B14 is not exactly local to Bexley these days! On that basis, the P prefix is meaningless too given only two of the remaining four P routes serve Peckham at all? The R network is one of the more joined up prefix networks left in London and as long as the R prefix isn't hampering people's ability to read the route number, I personally feel it should left as a small note to what existed previously but also it would still have that small network vibe unlike a block of different 300 & 400 series numbers. Off topic but I've always though the R network (and U network) should of been where the trial for branding took place given their network status and the fact they center around one particular town. |
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Post by danorak on Oct 13, 2023 14:52:16 GMT
You can certainly make a case for using R2 rather than R1, but I don't see any pressing reason to change the R11 or 61. That said, the R-prefix is pretty meaningless in these post Roundabout days. I was surprised the R1 maintained its number when it was changed beyond recognition last time. You might easily argue for a progressive removal of the R-prefix and replacement by 3/4** series numbers as routes are changed. Similarly the B14 is not exactly local to Bexley these days! On that basis, the P prefix is meaningless too given only two of the remaining four P routes serve Peckham at all? The R network is one of the more joined up prefix networks left in London and as long as the R prefix isn't hampering people's ability to read the route number, I personally feel it should left as a small note to what existed previously but also it would still have that small network vibe unlike a block of different 300 & 400 series numbers. Off topic but I've always though the R network (and U network) should of been where the trial for branding took place given their network status and the fact they center around one particular town. I suppose it is really, although I wouldn't advocate for changing it. But then of course the P11 was renumbered 381 and the altered P14 became 395 so the only consistency here is that there is no consistency! The real point that I didn't express well enough is I would have renumbered the R1 back at the turn of the century when it became virtually an entirely different route. An aside - in 'Privatising London's Buses' it's noted that London United's H- & R- prefixes were intended to be temporary. Had deregulation occurred, the plan was to drop them. |
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Post by greenboy on Oct 16, 2023 12:47:06 GMT
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Post by h0pidol on Oct 17, 2023 17:04:07 GMT
Eventually, route R11 could be renumbered R2 while route 61 could be renumbered R6. Big no for remembering route 61 to R6 as Route 61 have been running service for many years to come since 1934. R11 shouldn't be change to R2 as it not making a sense. Most people can see R11 with larger single deck buses as R1 only small single deck buses however if it go ahead to Biggin Hill, people will find out if R1 went wrong way via R2 at Orpington. They will get off and head back to station bus stop nearby for Route R3 to correct route to GSG. Bit of an oddball suggestion for Biggin Hill, but here goes: 246 - keep the same 320- Rather than serving Oakley Road, run via PRUH and Bromley Bus Garage. Reduce to 3bph X320 - Limited stop bus - All Biggin Hill stops, then Leaves Green/Kings Arms, Ravens Wood School, Bromley South, all stops to Catford Bridge. 3bph (358 will serve Oakley Road stops instead of X320) 464 - New Addington to Oxted via Biggin Hill and Tatsfield. In Biggin Hill, run a loop of the valley/Melody Road areas previously served by R2. This route will be extended to Oxted to give Oxted (and rail customers from East Grinstead/Uckfield) access to Biggin Hill. R2- Completely remove. Orpington passengers can change buses at Ravens Wood School (353) or PRUH(61, 353) for Orpington, Chislehurst and Ramsden Estate. R8 - Keep the same |
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