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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 5, 2023 14:20:16 GMT
This is clear evidence that the 33 should receive DDs as their next allocation. Add the 195, 490 and 493 to the list as well. In terms of the 33, that 3.13 million figure is right now with an 8 minute frequency, imagine how busy it would be once Hammersmith bridge opens? Perhaps if a major restructure of the routes in the Barnes area is done then yes. I just can’t see double deckers being authorised for use even with a repaired bridge. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 5, 2023 14:27:23 GMT
Looking at the Brixton Hill routes, most are about 1m off their totals for the 2019-2020 and all are 1m more than the 2021-2022 totals though part of that was during Covid so have to caveat that. One exception is the 118 which is almost back at it's 2019-2020 total, only a couple of hundred altogether. The 159 is the only Brixton Hill route I can make out that has a lower total for 2022-2023 than 2021-2022 Trafalgax I'm guessing the busiest single decker list doesn't include the 355 because it was allocated 4 double deckers during that period otherwise it would be 18th or 19th on the list, busier than the P4 which wouldn't make the top 30. P4 is 2.1m, P5 is 1.37m & 322 is 1.31m to round of the small amount of single decker routes in my area. |
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 5, 2023 14:39:49 GMT
This is clear evidence that the 33 should receive DDs as their next allocation. Add the 195, 490 and 493 to the list as well. In terms of the 33, that 3.13 million figure is right now with an 8 minute frequency, imagine how busy it would be once Hammersmith bridge opens? Perhaps if a major restructure of the routes in the Barnes area is done then yes. I just can’t see double deckers being authorised for use even with a repaired bridge. Even while the bridge remains closed, it's been mentioned there are issues with DDs using the Castelnau stand, possibly just resident complaints. You could possibly look at a restructure involving a DD route taking over the Richmond-Fulwell section of the 33 for extra capacity, but not sure how the Castelnau end could be relieved (other than introducing full-length SDs if they can fit)? Maybe one option might be to send the 33 back to Hammersmith via the N33, along with some other changes in the Castelnau area, however that would likely make reliability worse with the congestion around Putney Bridge. |
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 5, 2023 14:41:20 GMT
235 at the top again. No surprises there
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 5, 2023 14:43:04 GMT
Top 20 least used bus routes in London:
20: R2 - 199,268 (-)
19: 346 - 187,967 (+1)
18: 404 - 185,277 (+1)
17: 485 - 179,239 (+1)
16: 209 - 149,861 (-3)
15: 464 - 139,407 (-)
14: 467 - 130,456 (-)
13: 497 - 105,095 (+3)
12: 146 - 77,891 (-)
11: 375 - 70,563 (-)
10: U10 - 61,304 (-3)
9: R8 - 49,814 (-)
8: 327 - 48,612 (-)
7: R5/R10 - 41,795 (+1)
6: 549 - 36,429 (-1)
5: 347 - 29,996 (-)
4: 385 - 28,437 (-)
3: H3 - 20,564 (-)
2: 389 - 10,977 (-)
1: 399 - 8,381 (-)
The 497's rise can be explained by a pretty much exact doubling of its patronage. Guess the Elizabeth Line opening kicked the route into gear, so to speak.
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Post by WH241 on Oct 5, 2023 15:03:31 GMT
Top 20 least used bus routes in London: 20: R2 - 199,268 (-) 19: 346 - 187,967 (+1) 18: 404 - 185,277 (+1) 17: 485 - 179,239 (+1) 16: 209 - 149,861 (-3) 15: 464 - 139,407 (-) 14: 467 - 130,456 (-) 13: 497 - 105,095 (+3) 12: 146 - 77,891 (-) 11: 375 - 70,563 (-) 10: U10 - 61,304 (-3) 9: R8 - 49,814 (-) 8: 327 - 48,612 (-) 7: R5/R10 - 41,795 (+1) 6: 549 - 36,429 (-1) 5: 347 - 29,996 (-) 4: 385 - 28,437 (-) 3: H3 - 20,564 (-) 2: 389 - 10,977 (-) 1: 399 - 8,381 (-) This highlights the need to restructure the 346,347,497 and 549. |
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Post by lonmark on Oct 5, 2023 15:03:33 GMT
Top 20 least used bus routes in London: 20: R2 - 199,268 (-) 19: 346 - 187,967 (+1) 18: 404 - 185,277 (+1) 17: 485 - 179,239 (+1) 16: 209 - 149,861 (-3) 15: 464 - 139,407 (-) 14: 467 - 130,456 (-) 13: 497 - 105,095 (+3) 12: 146 - 77,891 (-) 11: 375 - 70,563 (-) 10: U10 - 61,304 (-3) 9: R8 - 49,814 (-) 8: 327 - 48,612 (-) 7: R5/R10 - 41,795 (+1) 6: 549 - 36,429 (-1) 5: 347 - 29,996 (-) 4: 385 - 28,437 (-) 3: H3 - 20,564 (-) 2: 389 - 10,977 (-) 1: 399 - 8,381 (-) Thank you for this. How about DD least routes list? if possible. |
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Oct 5, 2023 15:10:57 GMT
Looking at the Brixton Hill routes, most are about 1m off their totals for the 2019-2020 and all are 1m more than the 2021-2022 totals though part of that was during Covid so have to caveat that. One exception is the 118 which is almost back at it's 2019-2020 total, only a couple of hundred altogether. The 159 is the only Brixton Hill route I can make out that has a lower total for 2022-2023 than 2021-2022 Trafalgax I'm guessing the busiest single decker list doesn't include the 355 because it was allocated 4 double deckers during that period otherwise it would be 18th or 19th on the list, busier than the P4 which wouldn't make the top 30. P4 is 2.1m, P5 is 1.37m & 322 is 1.31m to round of the small amount of single decker routes in my area. Very surprising to me that route 355 has higher usage figures as a mixed DD/SD operation than route 45 a full DD operation. With route 45 languishing at 2.7m, these usage figures for that route might be a factor on why it is being reviewed extensively in Tranche 900A. |
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 5, 2023 15:13:25 GMT
Be under no illusion, the 205 having massive passenger growth in the last financial year is almost exclusively down to the Tube & rail strikes. P.S. Trafalgax , the C10 appears twice in the busiest single deckers list. I can understand the 205 being busier on tube strike days, but not so much on national rail strike days as people won't be coming into London so much due to the lack of trains. I would be surprised for the passenger number to increase so much on the 205 just from the strike days, so perhaps the strike days has led to a more permanent shift in travel habits benefiting the 205. I'm happy to concede to that. I know travel patterns east of Aldgate hasn't drastically changed because short haul passengers still pine for the 25 despite not going as far as Bow. The 205 never really features in the top list so I'm pleasantly surprised Joe & Jenny Public are utilising this very handy route in central London. After all, the 205 is the Monopoly of central London bus routes hitting most of the big rail termini! |
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Post by enviroPB on Oct 5, 2023 15:20:56 GMT
Top 20 least used bus routes in London: 20: R2 - 199,268 (-) 19: 346 - 187,967 (+1) 18: 404 - 185,277 (+1) 17: 485 - 179,239 (+1) 16: 209 - 149,861 (-3) 15: 464 - 139,407 (-) 14: 467 - 130,456 (-) 13: 497 - 105,095 (+3) 12: 146 - 77,891 (-) 11: 375 - 70,563 (-) 10: U10 - 61,304 (-3) 9: R8 - 49,814 (-) 8: 327 - 48,612 (-) 7: R5/R10 - 41,795 (+1) 6: 549 - 36,429 (-1) 5: 347 - 29,996 (-) 4: 385 - 28,437 (-) 3: H3 - 20,564 (-) 2: 389 - 10,977 (-) 1: 399 - 8,381 (-) The 497's rise can be explained by a pretty much exact doubling of its patronage. Guess the Elizabeth Line opening kicked the route into gear, so to speak. Before Hammersmith Bridge abruptly closed in 2019, it'd be unconscionable that the 209 would stray from the most used list. Now it's straggling at the bottom, utter travesty. |
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Post by abellion on Oct 5, 2023 15:23:14 GMT
I compared usage to some of my local routes from the last data set, every single one gained patronage. The route order is based on last year's figures -
57 = 5,270,594 -------> 6,258,357
131 = 4,784,077 -------> 5,827,893
44 = 4,467,993 ------> 5,326,551
333 = 4,429,339 -------> 5,333,571!!
319 = 4,068,086 -------> 5,209,071
155 = 4,051,883 -------> 4,628,310
77 = 3,946,054 -------> 4,988,415
270 = 3,571,239 -------> 4,117,833
249 = 3,112,301 -------> 3,750,296
280 = 3,092,436 -------> 3,782,636
127 = 3,045,668 -------> 3,759,026
200 = 2,899,084 -------> 3,707,906
355 = 2,635,175 -------> 3,121,720
493 = 2,614,783 -------> 3,180,803
264 = 2,415,295 -------> 3,027,493
152 = 2,152,243 -------> 2,688,285
219 = 1,678,265 -------> 2,059,953
G1 = 1,516,777 -------> 1,912,875
470 = 531,620 -------> 676,002
57N: 102,231 -------> 131,051
264N: 55,917 -------> 70,759
N44: 225,667 -------> 304,301
N155: 466,085 -------> 478,176
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Post by YX10FFN on Oct 5, 2023 15:31:44 GMT
Thank you for this. How about DD least routes list? if possible. Top 20 least used double deck routes: 20: 405 - 1,388,941 (+1) 19: 496 - 1,343,530 (-1) 18: 418 - 1,330,996 (+3) 17: 401 - 1,324,745 (new) 16: 313 - 1,319,070 (-1) 15: 292 - 1,316,312 (-3) 14: 372 - 1,270,479 (-2) 13: 335 - 1,227,336 (+1) 12: 357 - 1,183,293 (-2) 11: 353 - 1,165,801 (-2) 10: 406 - 1,117,460 (+1) 9: 428 - 1,083,684 (-2) 8: 492 - 1,070,354 (-2) 7: 215 - 956,420 (-1) 6: 498 - 840,967 (-1) 5: 317 - 764,552 (-) 4: 412 - 698,837 (-) 3: 481 - 505,713 (-) 2: X68 - 328,173 (-) 1: 467 - 130,456 (-) The 129 jumped off this list after it was extended to Lewisham. It was previously at no. 6. |
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Post by busoccultation on Oct 5, 2023 15:31:55 GMT
Top 20 least used bus routes in London: 13: 497 - 105,095 (+3) The 497's rise can be explained by a pretty much exact doubling of its patronage. Guess the Elizabeth Line opening kicked the route into gear, so to speak. That and also it was extended to Dagnam Park Square via the 174 route helps with the usage as well. |
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Post by Unorm on Oct 5, 2023 15:42:02 GMT
Does seem a little crazy. By judging from above, the 450 is an new entry at No7 in the Top 30 busiest single deck routes and has just had a substantial pvr cut on renewal. 450 isn't a new addition, the 450 being in the top 10 last year. Dropped 3 places since last year as well. Bus Route Usage Data for 2021/2022 is out. Data for the full year. Top 10 Single-Deck Allocated Routes (rounded) (let me know if I have missed anything on this one). Italics are routes that could take double-decks theoretically: 1. Route 235 - 3.72 million (+1) 2. Route 170 - 3.65 million (+2) 3. Route C10 - 3.41 million (+5) 4. Route W15 - 3.40 million (-3) 5. Route 195 - 3.39 million (-2) 6. Route 316 - 3.27 million (=) 7. Route 276 - 3.17 million (-2) 8. Route 450 - 2.97 million (-1) 9. Route 80 - 2.82 million (due to be fully converted) (+11) 10. Route 358 - 2.81 million (+11) ..
To my own surprise 322 actually increased in patronage, despite being more woeful to use (in addition to Abellio's strike days where it didn't run) since the last data came out. The 2 136 and 468 were in the top 30 last year but have been evicted for the newcomers 93 98 and 205 - 205's usage per km pretty astonishing jump I'd say. Also first time 315 has seen an increase since it's spiral of decline that started in 2016. |
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Post by lonmark on Oct 5, 2023 16:01:44 GMT
Thank you for this. How about DD least routes list? if possible. Top 20 least used double deck routes: 20: 405 - 1,388,941 (+1) 19: 496 - 1,343,530 (-1) 18: 418 - 1,330,996 (+3) 17: 401 - 1,324,745 (new) 16: 313 - 1,319,070 (-1) 15: 292 - 1,316,312 (-3) 14: 372 - 1,270,479 (-2) 13: 335 - 1,227,336 (+1) 12: 357 - 1,183,293 (-2) 11: 353 - 1,165,801 (-2) 10: 406 - 1,117,460 (+1) 9: 428 - 1,083,684 (-2) 8: 492 - 1,070,354 (-2) 7: 215 - 956,420 (-1) 6: 498 - 840,967 (-1) 5: 317 - 764,552 (-) 4: 412 - 698,837 (-) 3: 481 - 505,713 (-) 2: X68 - 328,173 (-) 1: 467 - 130,456 (-) The 129 jumped off this list after it was extended to Lewisham. It was previously at no. 6. thank you so much. Both R2 and 353 didn't see a very strong hold with usages. It is clear something is not quite right on routes. I can't see route R1 extend via R2 replacement with run every 20 minutes if TfL go ahead for this planner next year or so. mmm |
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