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Post by selondon on Mar 1, 2021 10:00:24 GMT
Not sure if this is useful but here’s a list of the fleet at QB Ooh, interesting! Do you know if all the training buses are based at QB? If only 2 are Euro 6, don't they have to pay LEZ fines? What are the Generator X vehicles? According to this, some of the E400's aren't Euro 6, so do they have to pay a fine? Edit:Just realised Generator X probably means VOR Unfortunately I don’t know the answers although I could ask next time I’m in. I believe all the trainer buses are there as they do seem to have a lot of them there!
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 1, 2021 10:10:21 GMT
Not sure if this is useful but here’s a list of the fleet at QB Is this current or from some stage in the past? Generator X? Performance?
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 1, 2021 10:15:40 GMT
Ooh, interesting! Do you know if all the training buses are based at QB? If only 2 are Euro 6, don't they have to pay LEZ fines? What are the Generator X vehicles? According to this, some of the E400's aren't Euro 6, so do they have to pay a fine? Edit:Just realised Generator X probably means VOR The simple answer is fines are only due if the bus is used and the charge is not paid So if parked, not used, no charge If used, then daily charge needs to be paid If forget (or not choose to pay) charge, then will be hit for fine (which is more) I think someone said it is around £12k to modify a bus (can’t find amount at moment) and charge is either £100 or £300 (depending on euro spec), so if only using on a few occasions before withdrawal, paying charge is cheaper I believe TfL has also set up a grace period if a vehicle has a booked modification date soon (and TfL is notified), as there has been some delays in upgrading due to Covid Yep, I meant charge You do raise a good point about it being cheaper to pay charge if only used occasionally until withdrawal.
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Post by cl54 on Mar 1, 2021 11:06:41 GMT
Ooh, interesting! Do you know if all the training buses are based at QB? If only 2 are Euro 6, don't they have to pay LEZ fines? What are the Generator X vehicles? According to this, some of the E400's aren't Euro 6, so do they have to pay a fine? Edit:Just realised Generator X probably means VOR The simple answer is fines are only due if the bus is used and the charge is not paid So if parked, not used, no charge If used, then daily charge needs to be paid If forget (or not choose to pay) charge, then will be hit for fine (which is more) I think someone said it is around £12k to modify a bus (can’t find amount at moment) and charge is either £100 or £300 (depending on euro spec), so if only using on a few occasions before withdrawal, paying charge is cheaper I believe TfL has also set up a grace period if a vehicle has a booked modification date soon (and TfL is notified), as there has been some delays in upgrading due to Covid The change introduced today was delayed from last year so I think that was the grace period.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 1, 2021 11:07:52 GMT
The simple answer is fines are only due if the bus is used and the charge is not paid So if parked, not used, no charge If used, then daily charge needs to be paid If forget (or not choose to pay) charge, then will be hit for fine (which is more) I think someone said it is around £12k to modify a bus (can’t find amount at moment) and charge is either £100 or £300 (depending on euro spec), so if only using on a few occasions before withdrawal, paying charge is cheaper I believe TfL has also set up a grace period if a vehicle has a booked modification date soon (and TfL is notified), as there has been some delays in upgrading due to Covid Yep, I meant charge You do raise a good point about it being cheaper to pay charge if only used occasionally until withdrawal. Except in the case of the service fleet where they're out daily. I was under the impression that all of the 56 reg examples were upgraded whilst on the 452 as a good number had emissions stickers
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Post by vjaska on Mar 1, 2021 11:10:55 GMT
There's an error I spotted - some Enviro 400's on the list are listed as Voith but Travel London & Abellio only ordered ZF Enviro 400's bar the smart MMC's which QB have none
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Post by M1104 on Mar 1, 2021 12:50:09 GMT
There's an error I spotted - some Enviro 400's on the list are listed as Voith but Travel London & Abellio only ordered ZF Enviro 400's bar the smart MMC's which QB have none I wonder if someone at the time got the specs mixed up with the Voith spec'd Volvos. Their bonnet numbers are quite similar (90xx and 94xx).
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Post by galwhv69 on Mar 1, 2021 13:06:58 GMT
(Accidentally put it in the LVF thread ) Interestingly 8037 is still at Putney Bridge. Wondering if it's now parked there overnight to avoid it "moving"?
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Post by Jack on Mar 1, 2021 16:35:08 GMT
Not sure if this is useful but here’s a list of the fleet at QB No mention of LT149. Off the road for over 12 months now. LT149 is away being a test bus as Abellio work with TfL on various engine and fuel technologies. The project was on hold due to lockdown but was set to restart sometime during March.
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Post by paulo on Mar 1, 2021 17:02:04 GMT
No mention of LT149. Off the road for over 12 months now. LT149 is away being a test bus as Abellio work with TfL on various engine and fuel technologies. The project was on hold due to lockdown but was set to restart sometime during March. Well that would explain it. Thanks.
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Post by smokenandos on Mar 2, 2021 1:47:34 GMT
what rota are you on sedriver
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Post by 6HP502C on Mar 2, 2021 13:27:05 GMT
9505 has the lazy fuel pump config but is rather nippy pulling away and has 2000rpm TopoDyn. Despite being limited to 40 I preferred it to 9408. The jewel in QB's crown now is 9526 IMO. I had 9505 the other day. It has changed again. They've removed the fuel pump restrictions and I don't know what it's limited to now - certainly not 30, 40, 45, 50 or 56mph so will assume it's now 62mph. It's not the most powerful bus out there, but still has the decent 2000rpm TopoDyn so a thoroughly decent bus now. I was given it after trying to take 9526 out which got pulled for servicing. 9526 is insanely quick off the mark and also has 2000rpm TopoDyn. Easily the best bus at QB in my opinion. 9525 has a slightly watered down version of TopoDyn but is still good. 9524 has the super eco TopoDyn and doesn't top 1500rpm unless going uphill. I also had 9406, Abellio's prized tacho bus that day. It was sitting at 61mph on the M4. Still has the usual TopoDyn acceleration rate restrictions, performance was strong in 5th above 40mph. 9401, 9419 and 9458 are still nippy, limited to 45mph as far as I know.
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Post by Gary on Mar 5, 2021 15:24:32 GMT
LT986 has graffiti damage to the outside top deck. Not sure how they managed to get up on the roof but it’s a shame that someone has been so mindless.
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Post by fg49 on Mar 6, 2021 0:06:04 GMT
(Accidentally put it in the LVF thread ) Interestingly 8037 is still at Putney Bridge. Wondering if it's now parked there overnight to avoid it "moving"? Unless Abellio still have other short MPDs, pretty sure I saw this returning to QB tonight along Chelsea Embankment.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Mar 6, 2021 8:52:04 GMT
The E10 has had quite an 'unconventional' few tender contracts in the last decade Up until Spring 2013, First operated it from G with 09 plate E200s alongside the vast majority of the E network. After First sold 5 garages to Metroline West, G came under Metroline control and the contract was novated to Metroline with the 09 plate E200s remaining. In Spring 2014, Metroline had lost the route to Tellings Golden Miller from HE, I believe, despite the buses having Arriva logos, due to Tellings Golden Miller being an Arriva subsidiary at the time. However in Jan 2016, Arriva wanted to consolidate all their TfL routes under 'Arriva London' and thus the E10 was officially operated by Arriva London from HE, but often saw buses from DT working on the route (which happens to be at the other end of London). In Dec 2017, Arriva had decided that running the route from HE was too difficult as the route was the only one at HE and was a considerable distance away from any other Arriva London operations and managed to negotiate with TfL to novate the contract to London United, who would operate it from HH, with the existing 14 and 12 plate E200s moving with the route. London United failed to retain the route in Spring 2019 (5 years after TGM won it originally) and the route passed to Abellio, who initially operated it from TF until GW was ready for operation with 19 reg E200 MMCs. Hope that cleared some stuff up. Route E10 surely had more operators in the 10s than any other London bus route: First, Metroline, Arriva, RATP and finally Abellio.
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