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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2021 16:23:26 GMT
The 45 cannot use diesels due to the Central London ULEZ. The only options I see is they either loan in EH’s & E’s from the 363 & 37 at least for a couple of weeks before other Abellio vehicles come available following the 414 loss or they simply keep the Go-Ahead buses on loan until the electrics arrive - can’t see anything else happening but could be wrong The ULEZ already applies to all buses on TfL routes in London. Diesels are not allowed in Central London on a TfL service unless they've been diverted in - as @astrdyne points out, any that do are fined so my original point stands.
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Post by Busboy105 on Oct 19, 2021 16:23:38 GMT
The ULEZ already applies to all buses on TfL routes in London. Whilst that is correct, TfL have a contractual rule that all TFL buses entering the original Central London ULEZ, Eastern congestion charge zone have to be a minimum of Hybrid Euro6 ... so this Central area is stricter than the ULEZ for TfL contracted bus services. I understand noncompliance is subject to a contractual penalty. The 170 and 414 enter the ULEZ with diesels every day
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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2021 16:25:51 GMT
Whilst that is correct, TfL have a contractual rule that all TFL buses entering the original Central London ULEZ, Eastern congestion charge zone have to be a minimum of Hybrid Euro6 ... so this Central area is stricter than the ULEZ for TfL contracted bus services. I understand noncompliance is subject to a contractual penalty. The 170 and 414 enter the ULEZ with diesels every day The 170 & 414 do not enter the Central London ULEZ
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Post by Busboy105 on Oct 19, 2021 16:28:27 GMT
The 170 and 414 enter the ULEZ with diesels every day The 170 & 414 do not enter the Central London ULEZ Victoria isn't in the Central London ULEZ?
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2021 16:39:33 GMT
The ULEZ already applies to all buses on TfL routes in London. Whilst that is correct, TfL have a contractual rule that all TFL buses entering the original Central London ULEZ, Eastern congestion charge zone have to be a minimum of Hybrid Euro6 ... so this Central area is stricter than the ULEZ for TfL contracted bus services. I understand noncompliance is subject to a contractual penalty. Just to add that euro6 diesel buses can still enter the zone without charge as long that they are not in TfL service at the time.
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Post by Gary on Oct 19, 2021 16:40:32 GMT
Significant delays in Isleworth today (Twickenham Road / St John’s Road junction) meant that there was what I believe to be a very rare turn on H20. It went from Ivybridge to Whitton Dene. Does anyone happen to know the details on this turn as Ian Armstrong’s site isn’t showing the correct document that lists curtailments. H20 doesn’t go near to the Whitton Dene stand and it wouldn’t make much sense offloading passengers half way down Hall Road. WHITTON, WHITTON DENE Public stand forone bus on south side of Whitton Dene (north arm), commencing opposite the east flank wall of No.170 and extending 12 metres east. From Hounslow, Civic Centre. Buses proceed from Central Avenue via Hall Road, Whitton Dene and Whitton Dene (Northern Arm) to stand, departing via Whitton Dene (Northern Arm), Whitton Dene (Western Arm), Whitton Dene and Hall Road to Central Avenue. Set down in Central Avenue (R0649 - Norbury Avenue, Last Stop on LOR: R0649 - Norbury Avenue) and pick up in Central Avenue (R0650 - Southland Way, First Stop on LOR: R0650 - Southland Way). From Ivybridge, Twickenham Tesco. Buses proceed from Hall Road via Whitton Dene and Whitton Dene (Northern Arm) to stand, departing via Whitton Dene (Northern Arm), Whitton Dene (Western Arm) and Whitton Dene to Hall Road. Set down in Hall Road (25803 - Eaton Road, Last Stop on LOR: 25803 - Eaton Road) and pick up in Hall Road (25804 - Reapers Way, First Stop on LOR: 25804 - Reapers Way). AVAILABILITY: At any time. OPERATING RESTRICTIONS: Unscheduled curtailments only MEAL RELIEFS: No meal relief vehicles to stand at any time. FERRY VEHICLES: No ferry vehicles to park on stand at any time. BLIND DISPLAY: Whitton Dene. Thanks. I saw the turn again today - like buses I guess!
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Post by M1104 on Oct 19, 2021 16:43:39 GMT
The 170 & 414 do not enter the Central London ULEZ Victoria isn't in the Central London ULEZ? Victoria is along the borderline with everything west being outside of it, meaning routes like the 16, 36, 52 and C1 are not affected.
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Post by wirewiper on Oct 19, 2021 16:44:25 GMT
The 170 & 414 do not enter the Central London ULEZ Victoria isn't in the Central London ULEZ? Victoria is on the boundary - it runs along the north-eastern sides of Grosvenor Place, Grosvenor Place, Bressenden Place and Vauxhall Bridge Road but excludes those roads. It is the same boundary as the Congestion Charge area.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 19, 2021 17:03:35 GMT
The 170 & 414 do not enter the Central London ULEZ Victoria isn't in the Central London ULEZ? The Ring Road is the border of the ULEZ and the ring road passes through Victoria so anything that doesn't cross the ring road (Vauxhall Bridge Road, Victoria one way system, etc) doesn't go in the zone. The 170 doesn't cross the one way system at Victoria and the 414 runs along the ring road between Hyde Park Corner & Marble Arch but doesn't go in past the boundary line.
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Post by snowman on Oct 21, 2021 11:43:16 GMT
Reporting elsewhere
Route 322 will be getting 11 short Metrocities 433 gets more Caetano e-city gold
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 21, 2021 12:00:23 GMT
Route 322 will be getting 11 short Metrocities 433 gets more Caetamo e-city Oooooh interesting. Abellio are diverting away gradually from the all-ADL fleet.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 21, 2021 12:02:50 GMT
Route 322 will be getting 11 short Metrocities 433 gets more Caetamo e-city Wow, another one I got right which is unusual for me lol (322) though thought the 433 would go Optare too for a bulk order. First Optares in my area since strays of DOE54 onto the 118 plus loaned in DOE’s to AL due to contaminated fuel on regular AL buses.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 21, 2021 12:28:26 GMT
Route 322 will be getting 11 short Metrocities 433 gets more Caetamo e-city Wow, another one I got right which is unusual for me lol (322) though thought the 433 would go Optare too for a bulk order. First Optares in my area since strays of DOE54 onto the 118 plus loaned in DOE’s to AL due to contaminated fuel on regular AL buses. There were since then the DOE loans to PM where they appeared on the 37. www.flickr.com/photos/gloriouswater/32389403750
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Post by portman227 on Oct 21, 2021 12:30:34 GMT
Route 322 will be getting 11 short Metrocities 433 gets more Caetamo e-city Does the 433 batch include spares or will the spares consist of diesel enviros at BC?
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 21, 2021 12:34:13 GMT
Wow, another one I got right which is unusual for me lol (322) though thought the 433 would go Optare too for a bulk order. First Optares in my area since strays of DOE54 onto the 118 plus loaned in DOE’s to AL due to contaminated fuel on regular AL buses. There were since then the DOE loans to Q and PM, the latter depot using some on the 37. www.flickr.com/photos/gloriouswater/32389403750I don’t recall the DOE working on any Q routes, obviously there were the temporary swaps with some of PM MHV because of the Putney green corridor but I don’t recall Q. I think some have been there for heavy maintenance like a couple have been to NX for the same but I don’t recall them working any routes from Q.
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