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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on May 31, 2022 10:11:05 GMT
The 345 should now be mostly allocated 14reg E40Hs from the C3/E1. If anything gets replaced by the U5's MMCs, I expect it would be some of the 61reg E40Hs, especially as a small number are still unrefurbished. Could possibly simplify some allocations - move some to the 344 to make it fully MMC. Then others to the 207, displacing the Smart Hybrids to the 278. I think it was also suggested at one point there could be a DD conversion involved. I really hope the 490 is being considered by TFL, whilst there is a problem it can be swapped with another route to Manor Circus - say the R70 or the 371. A partial conversion should be enough for the route, unless the H22 is reinstated to run back to Richmond then the 490 only needs the support from the H22. Nooooooo you cannot withdraw the 371 DD workings by diverting it to POTP!
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Post by sleckdeck on May 31, 2022 13:10:14 GMT
I really hope the 490 is being considered by TFL, whilst there is a problem it can be swapped with another route to Manor Circus - say the R70 or the 371. A partial conversion should be enough for the route, unless the H22 is reinstated to run back to Richmond then the 490 only needs the support from the H22. Nooooooo you cannot withdraw the 371 DD workings by diverting it to POTP! I completely forgot about the 371 having a DD allocation, in that case yes forget the 371 - the R70 would seem a likely candidate since most people that use the R70 from Manor Circus leave high demand for the Twickenham corridor which the 490 also covers.
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Post by j67 on May 31, 2022 16:19:19 GMT
It appears that the first of the U5’s new electrics is in service today - 3435 (LG22APY) seemingly taking the honours. Will be interesting to see what's planned for the MMCs, unless returned off lease if the case. Would make sense to convert 195 to double deck operation. The route is always jam packed, plus it’s capable.
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Post by sleckdeck on May 31, 2022 17:59:26 GMT
Will be interesting to see what's planned for the MMCs, unless returned off lease if the case. Would make sense to convert 195 to double deck operation. The route is always jam packed, plus it’s capable. Think the 490 would be more likely, if TFL were to convert the 195 they would have done so years ago. The 490 did not suffer badly until covid restrictions as well as the H22 being sent to WMH.
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Post by vjaska on May 31, 2022 18:10:35 GMT
Would make sense to convert 195 to double deck operation. The route is always jam packed, plus it’s capable. Think the 490 would be more likely, if TFL were to convert the 195 they would have done so years ago. The 490 did not suffer badly until covid restrictions as well as the H22 being sent to WMH. But you could also say if TfL were to convert the 490, they would of done so years ago. The 490 has had very busy loadings well before Covid - in any event, I think both the 195 & 490 deserve a double deck conversion but I'd put the 490 ahead of the 195 in terms of which one would be more important.
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Post by rj131 on May 31, 2022 18:20:46 GMT
Think the 490 would be more likely, if TFL were to convert the 195 they would have done so years ago. The 490 did not suffer badly until covid restrictions as well as the H22 being sent to WMH. But you could also say if TfL were to convert the 490, they would of done so years ago. The 490 has had very busy loadings well before Covid - in any event, I think both the 195 & 490 deserve a double deck conversion but I'd put the 490 ahead of the 195 in terms of which one would be more important. I think I have to disagree there and say the 195 is. I would go as far as to say the 195 needs them most of any SD route in London, that could potentially take DDs. It’s sheerly unbelievable how rammed that route is. In terms of pure numbers (which I know doesn’t paint a full story) it has more than twice the usage of the 490.
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Post by j67 on May 31, 2022 19:34:45 GMT
But you could also say if TfL were to convert the 490, they would of done so years ago. The 490 has had very busy loadings well before Covid - in any event, I think both the 195 & 490 deserve a double deck conversion but I'd put the 490 ahead of the 195 in terms of which one would be more important. I think I have to disagree there and say the 195 is. I would go as far as to say the 195 needs them most of any SD route in London, that could potentially take DDs. It’s sheerly unbelievable how rammed that route is. In terms of pure numbers (which I know doesn’t paint a full story) it has more than twice the usage of the 490. Exactly. You could even go to say it needs a pvr increase from 14 to 16.
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Post by COBO on May 31, 2022 21:34:47 GMT
With the possibility of more spare from the 45 I could see the 345 taking them all. The 345 should now be mostly allocated 14reg E40Hs from the C3/E1. If anything gets replaced by the U5's MMCs, I expect it would be some of the 61reg E40Hs, especially as a small number are still unrefurbished. Could possibly simplify some allocations - move some to the 344 to make it fully MMC. Then others to the 207, displacing the Smart Hybrids to the 278. I think it was also suggested at one point there could be a DD conversion involved. I’ve heard on hear that the 195 could be partially converted using the DDs from the U5.
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Post by greg on May 31, 2022 21:38:38 GMT
Id say the 195 also, only as no alterations on the route would have to be made whereas the 490 would need an alteration at POTP, so its just more simple to convert the 195, which if im correct operates out the same garage as the U5 or at least closer to TF on the 490.
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Post by vjaska on May 31, 2022 22:44:57 GMT
Id say the 195 also, only as no alterations on the route would have to be made whereas the 490 would need an alteration at POTP, so its just more simple to convert the 195, which if im correct operates out the same garage as the U5 or at least closer to TF on the 490. The alteration at Pools on the Park would be very simply a switch of routes with something like the R70, it wouldn't cost almost anything to do either so in terms of simplicity, there's not really much difference
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Post by vjaska on May 31, 2022 22:46:17 GMT
I think I have to disagree there and say the 195 is. I would go as far as to say the 195 needs them most of any SD route in London, that could potentially take DDs. It’s sheerly unbelievable how rammed that route is. In terms of pure numbers (which I know doesn’t paint a full story) it has more than twice the usage of the 490. Exactly. You could even go to say it needs a pvr increase from 14 to 16. I'd find it very hard to believe it would need both a PVR increase and a capacity boost together, very few double deck conversions have ever needed both to occurr. I'd suspect a double deck increase would suffice alone especially given TfL are in cut mode and very rarely doling out PVR increases
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Post by sleckdeck on May 31, 2022 23:06:29 GMT
But you could also say if TfL were to convert the 490, they would of done so years ago. The 490 has had very busy loadings well before Covid - in any event, I think both the 195 & 490 deserve a double deck conversion but I'd put the 490 ahead of the 195 in terms of which one would be more important. I think I have to disagree there and say the 195 is. I would go as far as to say the 195 needs them most of any SD route in London, that could potentially take DDs. It’s sheerly unbelievable how rammed that route is. In terms of pure numbers (which I know doesn’t paint a full story) it has more than twice the usage of the 490. During Covid restrictions almost half the passengers at Richmond Station would be missed out by a 490 loading due to how busy the buses get, and if you live anywhere after Richmond Station then you were basically done for.
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Post by ADH45258 on May 31, 2022 23:09:19 GMT
The 345 should now be mostly allocated 14reg E40Hs from the C3/E1. If anything gets replaced by the U5's MMCs, I expect it would be some of the 61reg E40Hs, especially as a small number are still unrefurbished. Could possibly simplify some allocations - move some to the 344 to make it fully MMC. Then others to the 207, displacing the Smart Hybrids to the 278. I think it was also suggested at one point there could be a DD conversion involved. I’ve heard on hear that the 195 could be partially converted using the DDs from the U5. If this is the case, could also move the 3x QB 12reg E400s to the 207 to release 3 more E40Hs to the 195, would more or less cover the full allocation.
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Post by YX10FFN on Jun 1, 2022 7:48:58 GMT
I think I have to disagree there and say the 195 is. I would go as far as to say the 195 needs them most of any SD route in London, that could potentially take DDs. It’s sheerly unbelievable how rammed that route is. In terms of pure numbers (which I know doesn’t paint a full story) it has more than twice the usage of the 490. During Covid restrictions almost half the passengers at Richmond Station would be missed out by a 490 loading due to how busy the buses get, and if you live anywhere after Richmond Station then you were basically done for. Admittedly haven’t ridden it a lot since the H22 was rerouted but the section which justifies the 490’s need for a capacity upgrade better is Twickenham-Feltham, the Richmond section was typically quieter but that has probably changed thanks to the H22 moving away. It’s also a vital airport commuter route, and I’ve been on a bus where it’s full before it leaves Hatton Cross.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 1, 2022 8:58:33 GMT
But you could also say if TfL were to convert the 490, they would of done so years ago. The 490 has had very busy loadings well before Covid - in any event, I think both the 195 & 490 deserve a double deck conversion but I'd put the 490 ahead of the 195 in terms of which one would be more important. I think I have to disagree there and say the 195 is. I would go as far as to say the 195 needs them most of any SD route in London, that could potentially take DDs. It’s sheerly unbelievable how rammed that route is. In terms of pure numbers (which I know doesn’t paint a full story) it has more than twice the usage of the 490. Have to agree with this, I don't live too far from the 195 and it badly needs double deckers as its absolutely packed especially in the morning peak heading down Boston Road when people are often left behind at stops.
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