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Post by mkay315 on Jun 13, 2024 10:15:06 GMT
Which is the exact point, if the display is right above their heads it's not really ergonomic. I think it will be OK if you're sitting in a wheelchair. View AttachmentAgain what if the wheelchair user has a bad neck and can't look up. Whilst not as common it can happen.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 13, 2024 10:21:26 GMT
Again what if the wheelchair user has a bad neck and can't look up. Whilst not as common it can happen. There's also the problem where the screen will be sideways looking up from that angle which some people may struggle to read.
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Post by va59 on Jun 13, 2024 10:39:46 GMT
Again what if the wheelchair user has a bad neck and can't look up. Whilst not as common it can happen. There's also the problem where the screen will be sideways looking up from that angle which some people may struggle to read. It's an absolutely ridiculous position to put it.
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Post by cl54 on Jun 13, 2024 12:43:32 GMT
Again what if the wheelchair user has a bad neck and can't look up. Whilst not as common it can happen. From my observation yesterday a wheelchair user would be able to just look up without moving their head.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 13, 2024 14:00:01 GMT
Again what if the wheelchair user has a bad neck and can't look up. Whilst not as common it can happen. From my observation yesterday a wheelchair user would be able to just look up without moving their head. How can you look up without moving your head, unless your head is permanently facing upwards?I've stood in that spot multiple times and have always had to move my head to look at that screen.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 13, 2024 14:09:47 GMT
From my observation yesterday a wheelchair user would be able to just look up without moving their head. How can you look up without moving your head, unless your head is permanently facing upwards?I've stood in that spot multiple times and have always had to move my head to look at that screen. You can look up the degrees required by just moving your eyes. I can tilt my head down and still look up.
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Post by cl54 on Jun 13, 2024 17:32:53 GMT
From my observation yesterday a wheelchair user would be able to just look up without moving their head. How can you look up without moving your head, unless your head is permanently facing upwards?I've stood in that spot multiple times and have always had to move my head to look at that screen. I guess you've never had an eye test at an opticians. You rest your chin on a plate and they then check your field of vision. BTW your eyes go up and down and left and right.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 13, 2024 17:48:35 GMT
How can you look up without moving your head, unless your head is permanently facing upwards?I've stood in that spot multiple times and have always had to move my head to look at that screen. I guess you've never had an eye test at an opticians. You rest your chin on a plate and they then check your field of vision. BTW your eyes go up and down and left and right. There is only so far your eyes can tilt without the need to move your head.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 13, 2024 17:57:42 GMT
I guess you've never had an eye test at an opticians. You rest your chin on a plate and they then check your field of vision. BTW your eyes go up and down and left and right. There is only so far your eyes can tilt without the need to move your head. Agreed, but not applicable an a bus. I can sit in my sofa and see all of my living room that is in front of me without moving my head. You should not need to move your head to see something in front of you on a bus, unless it is being obstructed, and the lower it is, the greater the chance of obstruction.
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 13, 2024 18:01:35 GMT
There is only so far your eyes can tilt without the need to move your head. Agreed, but not applicable an a bus. I can sit in my sofa and see all of my living room that is in front of me without moving my head. You should not need to move your head to see something in front of you on a bus, unless it is being obstructed, and the lower it is, the greater the chance of obstruction. That’s fine but if the wheelchair is up against the back of the wall with the stairs on the opposite side I just don’t see how it’s possible to do without moving their head.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 13, 2024 18:10:59 GMT
How can you look up without moving your head, unless your head is permanently facing upwards?I've stood in that spot multiple times and have always had to move my head to look at that screen. I guess you've never had an eye test at an opticians. You rest your chin on a plate and they then check your field of vision. BTW your eyes go up and down and left and right. Guess my multiple years working with eye specialists, Opthalmologists, Orthoptists, Opthalmic Pathologists as well as my own Opthalmic specialism has been debunked right here and now. I imagine you are luckily not one of thousands of people to be affected by Glaucoma which severely reduces your visual field? Or potentially never had a Corneal transplant which also then limits eye movement. I hope you are also aware it is very unhealthy for your Opthalmic neurology to push your eyeballs to the extremes if not necessary? The bottom line really is you need to move your head and cause neck strain in the process, which can be all avoided by just having the screen in front of you.
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Post by SILENCED on Jun 13, 2024 18:52:02 GMT
I guess you've never had an eye test at an opticians. You rest your chin on a plate and they then check your field of vision. BTW your eyes go up and down and left and right. Guess my multiple years working with eye specialists, Opthalmologists, Orthoptists, Opthalmic Pathologists as well as my own Opthalmic specialism has been debunked right here and now. I imagine you are luckily not one of thousands of people to be affected by Glaucoma which severely reduces your visual field? Or potentially never had a Corneal transplant which also then limits eye movement. I hope you are also aware it is very unhealthy for your Opthalmic neurology to push your eyeballs to the extremes if not necessary? The bottom line really is you need to move your head and cause neck strain in the process, which can be all avoided by just having the screen in front of you. If it is not obstructed as it is down low, and useless to a 100% of wheelchair users, when a higher one will be of use to 99.99% of them
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Post by cl54 on Jun 13, 2024 19:31:38 GMT
I guess you've never had an eye test at an opticians. You rest your chin on a plate and they then check your field of vision. BTW your eyes go up and down and left and right. Guess my multiple years working with eye specialists, Opthalmologists, Orthoptists, Opthalmic Pathologists as well as my own Opthalmic specialism has been debunked right here and now. I imagine you are luckily not one of thousands of people to be affected by Glaucoma which severely reduces your visual field? Or potentially never had a Corneal transplant which also then limits eye movement. I hope you are also aware it is very unhealthy for your Opthalmic neurology to push your eyeballs to the extremes if not necessary? The bottom line really is you need to move your head and cause neck strain in the process, which can be all avoided by just having the screen in front of you. As it happens I do know what it is to have restricted vision in my past. I had cataracts in both eyes, Fortunately SpaMedica managed to remove them in the Autumn last year. All achieved free on the NHS. The position is a compromise to get a larger screen visible from the wheelchair position than has been possible by other manufacturers and without blocking the rear seats.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 13, 2024 19:43:31 GMT
Guess my multiple years working with eye specialists, Opthalmologists, Orthoptists, Opthalmic Pathologists as well as my own Opthalmic specialism has been debunked right here and now. I imagine you are luckily not one of thousands of people to be affected by Glaucoma which severely reduces your visual field? Or potentially never had a Corneal transplant which also then limits eye movement. I hope you are also aware it is very unhealthy for your Opthalmic neurology to push your eyeballs to the extremes if not necessary? The bottom line really is you need to move your head and cause neck strain in the process, which can be all avoided by just having the screen in front of you. As it happens I do know what it is to have restricted vision in my past. I had cataracts in both eyes, Fortunately SpaMedica managed to remove them in the Autumn last year. All achieved free on the NHS. The position is a compromise to get a larger screen visible from the wheelchair position than has been possible by other manufacturers and without blocking the rear seats. You can't compare Cataracts to Glaucoma, Glaucoma affects peripheral vision which is where the offending screens are while Cataracts just obscure vision and do not result in peripheral vision loss.
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Post by cl54 on Jun 13, 2024 20:21:47 GMT
As it happens I do know what it is to have restricted vision in my past. I had cataracts in both eyes, Fortunately SpaMedica managed to remove them in the Autumn last year. All achieved free on the NHS. The position is a compromise to get a larger screen visible from the wheelchair position than has been possible by other manufacturers and without blocking the rear seats. You can't compare Cataracts to Glaucoma, Glaucoma affects peripheral vision which is where the offending screens are while Cataracts just obscure vision and do not result in peripheral vision loss. Not my experience thank you. I know how the cataracts affected my vision. The fact is the screens work for the majority of wheelchair users and provide more information than other forward facing units and there are announcements for the tiny minority who you think can't see them.
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