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Post by mark on Sept 10, 2024 14:07:46 GMT
I would expect the SL7 - along with all the other SL routes - to be awarded with new electrics* * except SL9 and SL10 which already have them - although that's not to say the current vehicles can't be csacaded. Unless I am mistaken all SL routes are intended to operate with EVs? Issue is the length of route SL7! Andy Lord told the London Assembly last week that converting the Superloop to BEVs was seen as a priority. The length of the route is irrelevant - it’s the total mileage covered that matters. There is no practical reason why the SL7 cannot use such vehicles now - BEVs are already used on some far longer routes, most notably the Traws Cambria services. The issue is simply the number of buses that would be required to allow for charging during the day. That said, the ADL enviro400EV has a claimed range of up to 260 miles which would allow five return journeys between charging. The current schedule has most buses making four rounders - so around 200 miles - (with a couple doing five) so it’s achievable but may be a bit close to comfort on a cold day!
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Post by td on Sept 10, 2024 14:18:52 GMT
Unless I am mistaken all SL routes are intended to operate with EVs? Issue is the length of route SL7! Andy Lord told the London Assembly last week that converting the Superloop to BEVs was seen as a priority. The length of the route is irrelevant - it’s the total mileage covered that matters. There is no practical reason why the SL7 cannot use such vehicles now - BEVs are already used on some far longer routes, most notably the Traws Cambria services. The issue is simply the number of buses that would be required to allow for charging during the day. That said, the ADL enviro400EV has a claimed range of up to 260 miles which would allow five return journeys between charging. The current schedule has most buses making four rounders - so around 200 miles - (with a couple doing five) so it’s achievable but may be a bit close to comfort on a cold day! There's also BYD with 400 miles on their new deckers that Go-Ahead are interested in, even if 400 is a bit generous it should still be more than enough
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Post by yunus on Sept 10, 2024 21:39:50 GMT
Unless I am mistaken all SL routes are intended to operate with EVs? Issue is the length of route SL7! Andy Lord told the London Assembly last week that converting the Superloop to BEVs was seen as a priority. The length of the route is irrelevant - it’s the total mileage covered that matters. There is no practical reason why the SL7 cannot use such vehicles now - BEVs are already used on some far longer routes, most notably the Traws Cambria services. The issue is simply the number of buses that would be required to allow for charging during the day. That said, the ADL enviro400EV has a claimed range of up to 260 miles which would allow five return journeys between charging. The current schedule has most buses making four rounders - so around 200 miles - (with a couple doing five) so it’s achievable but may be a bit close to comfort on a cold day! Thumbs up for sharing, thanks. Is there anyway online that I can access bus related topics discussed within the assembly? If you did not mention I would never have known. Sseems the SL5 & SL7 will be soon removed from my Diesel list. Think they are both up for tender soon at the same time?
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Post by mark on Sept 11, 2024 6:11:30 GMT
Andy Lord told the London Assembly last week that converting the Superloop to BEVs was seen as a priority. The length of the route is irrelevant - it’s the total mileage covered that matters. There is no practical reason why the SL7 cannot use such vehicles now - BEVs are already used on some far longer routes, most notably the Traws Cambria services. The issue is simply the number of buses that would be required to allow for charging during the day. That said, the ADL enviro400EV has a claimed range of up to 260 miles which would allow five return journeys between charging. The current schedule has most buses making four rounders - so around 200 miles - (with a couple doing five) so it’s achievable but may be a bit close to comfort on a cold day! Thumbs up for sharing, thanks. Is there anyway online that I can access bus related topics discussed within the assembly? If you did not mention I would never have known. Sseems the SL5 & SL7 will be soon removed from my Diesel list. Think they are both up for tender soon at the same time? The SL5 and SL7 are both out to tender at the moment with a contract change in April. The current arrangements may be extended depending on the timing of any consultation about both routes. As to bus related topics discussed at the London Assembley, the only sure fire way to find out what is said is to attend the meetings or tune in to the streaming (which is also available after the event). Meetings are listed here meetings.london.gov.uk/mgCalendarMonthView.aspx?GL=1&bcr=1
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 12, 2024 20:07:21 GMT
Is there anymore info on the S3 getting electric buses. Seems the contract started a while ago and we haven't heard anything since.
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Post by cl54 on Sept 13, 2024 6:29:16 GMT
Is there anymore info on the S3 getting electric buses. Seems the contract started a while ago and we haven't heard anything since. londonbusroutes.net still doesn't show a date
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 13, 2024 7:42:00 GMT
Is there anymore info on the S3 getting electric buses. Seems the contract started a while ago and we haven't heard anything since. londonbusroutes.net still doesn't show a date Was it ever even confirmed it was getting Metrocitys. Its always been a very silent award.
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Post by Dad91 on Sept 13, 2024 13:06:08 GMT
An alternative could be for the 270 smarts to be used with the existing hybrids, or the 196 hybrids used to make up the balance as the 278 will need some, or for the 285 to electrify/be lost and for its smarts to be used. A plethora of possibilities. Another long shot possibility for their use is an existing bus bid option for the SL7 if 207 do get existing Hybrids could use buses from 285 that's if lost depends 270 only be retained new electric rest existing current buses
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Post by PGAT on Sept 13, 2024 15:24:15 GMT
londonbusroutes.net still doesn't show a date Was it ever even confirmed it was getting Metrocitys. Its always been a very silent award. No but it’s the only option they have. I don’t think its allowed to abstain ordering for so long to wait for the Enviro100EV?
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Post by vjaska on Sept 13, 2024 21:30:58 GMT
Was it ever even confirmed it was getting Metrocitys. Its always been a very silent award. No but it’s the only option they have. I don’t think its allowed to abstain ordering for so long to wait for the Enviro100EV? Wasn't it confirmed as Metrocitys in a past TLB?
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Post by PGAT on Sept 13, 2024 22:11:05 GMT
No but it’s the only option they have. I don’t think its allowed to abstain ordering for so long to wait for the Enviro100EV? Wasn't it confirmed as Metrocitys in a past TLB? I don’t know I haven’t heard any discussion of that on here
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Post by londonbuses on Sept 13, 2024 22:27:36 GMT
No but it’s the only option they have. I don’t think its allowed to abstain ordering for so long to wait for the Enviro100EV? Wasn't it confirmed as Metrocitys in a past TLB? I don't think an order for the S3 was ever confirmed as far as I know. I'd be very surprised if they've ordered Metrocities since they surely would've been delivered by now (Optare don't exactly have a backlog of orders), I do suspect that they're waiting for the E100EV.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 13, 2024 23:03:09 GMT
Wasn't it confirmed as Metrocitys in a past TLB? I don't think an order for the S3 was ever confirmed as far as I know. I'd be very surprised if they've ordered Metrocities since they surely would've been delivered by now (Optare don't exactly have a backlog of orders), I do suspect that they're waiting for the E100EV. How long did the Metrocitys show up for the other London operators? If they were waiting for the Enviro 100EV, I'd imagine ADL would of announced it with the Stagecoach orders for the W12 & B14
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Post by PGAT on Sept 13, 2024 23:31:36 GMT
Wasn't it confirmed as Metrocitys in a past TLB? I don't think an order for the S3 was ever confirmed as far as I know. I'd be very surprised if they've ordered Metrocities since they surely would've been delivered by now (Optare don't exactly have a backlog of orders), I do suspect that they're waiting for the E100EV. But why would TfL allow them to wait so long for a new vehicle when a perfectly reasonable vehicle is already available?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Sept 14, 2024 6:01:09 GMT
Is there anymore info on the S3 getting electric buses. Seems the contract started a while ago and we haven't heard anything since. I am so not expecting anything distinctive for route S3 that I feel able to come to the area and celebrate/ride its Transport UK win with its existing buses.
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