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Post by evergreenadam on Jul 22, 2024 12:59:41 GMT
The x15min weekend service to Ruislip did seem excessive, hopefully the frequency increase on the N18 to Harrow Weald will still be going ahead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2024 14:43:26 GMT
The x15min weekend service to Ruislip did seem excessive, hopefully the frequency increase on the N18 to Harrow Weald will still be going ahead. I'm not sure but I don't think it is. It looks like no changes to the N18. Perhaps they could take the 2 shorts to Harrow bus station atleast?
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Post by VH45241 on Jul 22, 2024 16:23:55 GMT
The x15min weekend service to Ruislip did seem excessive, hopefully the frequency increase on the N18 to Harrow Weald will still be going ahead. I'm not sure but I don't think it is. It looks like no changes to the N18. Perhaps they could take the 2 shorts to Harrow bus station atleast? That would make sense, on the duty card buses are supposed to run light from harrow Weald or Sudbury to Harrow bus station for their breaks then run light back to wherever they are starting from harrow Weald or Sudbury. In reality driver loose a lot of time doing their trip towards Sudbury/harrow Weald that they stay in harrow Weald and get their minimum 45 minutes break. So that extension to Harrow would be nice
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 22, 2024 17:06:28 GMT
Between 22 January 2024 and 3 March 2024, we held a public consultation proposing a new night bus route running between Trafalgar Square and Ruislip. The key points of our proposals were to: create a new night bus route N518 to run between Ruislip and Trafalgar Square (via Eastcote, Rayners Lane, Northolt Park, Sudbury Hill and Wembley) on all nights. It would operate every 30 minutes (2 buses per hour) on weeknights and every 15 minutes (4 buses per hour) on weekend nights remove the N18 leg between Sudbury & Harrow Road Station and Trafalgar Square on all nights increase the frequency of route N18 on weekend nights from buses every 30 minutes (2 buses per hour) to buses every 15 minutes (4 buses per hour) on the leg from Harrow Weald to Trafalgar Square. We have now published our report on the outcomes of the consultation, which you can view in the Documents section of this webpage. We received 703 responses to the consultation. Our responses to the main issues raised during the consultation is included in Appendix A of the report. After fully considering the consultation responses, we have decided not to proceed with our original proposals. We will now review our options for creating a new night bus route, taking into account feedback we have received. Once we have developed a new set of proposals, we will consult with the local community, bus passengers and local businesses. Wonder if route 18/N18’s tender result could be released today or sometime this week. Now, the consultation outcome for night route N518 is known. I dont think there has been a clearer consultation where the responses have been ignored than this one. Something else has clearly decided this outcome. It is highly likely to do with costs. Would the 18 tender be announced if no one bid for it and there was a short-term agreement? (Not saying that is what happened). If there is an announcement it would likely happen this week/next otherwise let the speculation threads run wild (which in fairness they do without any fire!).
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2024 18:16:43 GMT
I noticed in the consultation it said in 2012 is was propsoed to extend the N18 from Sudbury to Ruislip.
Was this the shorts or was the N18 considered for diversion and a new route, possibly a 24h 182 would replace the N18 to Harrow Weald?
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 22, 2024 18:40:18 GMT
Looking at the responses to concerns raised, it looks like changes to the routing were going to be proposed and were going to be consulted on following some of the comments. So it really looks like someone at the top just pulled the plug in extremis.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2024 18:49:59 GMT
Looking at the responses to concerns raised, it looks like changes to the routing were going to be proposed and were going to be consulted on following some of the comments. So it really looks like someone at the top just pulled the plug in extremis. It's a shock really that it isn't going ahead. Clearly the cost proved too much. I wonder how much of the bus budget is now being eaten up by the Superloop.
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Post by WH241 on Jul 22, 2024 19:12:51 GMT
Looking at the responses to concerns raised, it looks like changes to the routing were going to be proposed and were going to be consulted on following some of the comments. So it really looks like someone at the top just pulled the plug in extremis. It's a shock really that it isn't going ahead. Clearly the cost proved too much. I wonder how much of the bus budget is now being eaten up by the Superloop. I am probably in the minority but not that surprised its not going ahead. TfL has been on a spending spree recently and there is only so much money! Its hard to imagine only two years ago they were about to go bust yet since then they have introduced the Superloop network and proposing Superloop 2.
I am sure new night routes would be popular but can't imagine they would even come close to covering costs so would be a stretch on finances as they would need lots of support. I do think night routes should charge a premium fare to at least cover more of the costs.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 22, 2024 19:32:58 GMT
'After careful consideration, we have found that these changes are too positive for passengers, so have decided to not proceed with the proposals.' A few birds would have been killed with this single stone of the N518, but for whatever horrid reason TfL has chosen otherwise. An N114 between Mill Hill Broadway and Uxbridge would be a cheaper alternative to the N518 in Ruislip, but there are still capacity issues on the Harrow Road corridor that need to be addressed. Ideally the N18 should be minimum every 12 mins during weeknights and every 8 mins on weekends, with possibly the shorts moved to terminate at Harrow Bus Station. Unfortunately I feel TfL tried to have a one size fits all consultation, and I sincerely hope they get round to fixing all the problems they highlighted in this consultation.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 22, 2024 19:40:43 GMT
'After careful consideration, we have found that these changes are too positive for passengers, so have decided to not proceed with the proposals.' A few birds would have been killed with this single stone of the N518, but for whatever horrid reason TfL has chosen otherwise. An N114 between Mill Hill Broadway and Uxbridge would be a cheaper alternative to the N518 in Ruislip, but there are still capacity issues on the Harrow Road corridor that need to be addressed. Ideally the N18 should be minimum every 12 mins during weeknights and every 8 mins on weekends, with possibly the shorts moved to terminate at Harrow Bus Station. Unfortunately I feel TfL tried to have a one size fits all consultation, and I sincerely hope they get round to fixing all the problems they highlighted in this consultation. Ironically the public weren't against the new route and associated changes which is big change from other consultations that have gone ahead regardless of public opinion.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 22, 2024 20:36:25 GMT
It's a shock really that it isn't going ahead. Clearly the cost proved too much. I wonder how much of the bus budget is now being eaten up by the Superloop. I am probably in the minority but not that surprised its not going ahead. TfL has been on a spending spree recently and there is only so much money! Its hard to imagine only two years ago they were about to go bust yet since then they have introduced the Superloop network and proposing Superloop 2.
I am sure new night routes would be popular but can't imagine they would even come close to covering costs so would be a stretch on finances as they would need lots of support. I do think night routes should charge a premium fare to at least cover more of the costs.
In fairness regarding their near bankruptcy they turned it around and now actually do produce an operating surplus so effectively the Superloop scheme, at least the first phase didn't bleed the finances of them. Why should night routes be charging a premium? They're literally no different to standard bus routes apart from the fact they operate at night.
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Post by enviroPB on Jul 22, 2024 21:53:54 GMT
'After careful consideration, we have found that these changes are too positive for passengers, so have decided to not proceed with the proposals.' A few birds would have been killed with this single stone of the N518, but for whatever horrid reason TfL has chosen otherwise. An N114 between Mill Hill Broadway and Uxbridge would be a cheaper alternative to the N518 in Ruislip, but there are still capacity issues on the Harrow Road corridor that need to be addressed. Ideally the N18 should be minimum every 12 mins during weeknights and every 8 mins on weekends, with possibly the shorts moved to terminate at Harrow Bus Station. Unfortunately I feel TfL tried to have a one size fits all consultation, and I sincerely hope they get round to fixing all the problems they highlighted in this consultation. Ironically the public weren't against the new route and associated changes which is big change from other consultations that have gone ahead regardless of public opinion. I thought I addressed that with my sarcastic comment Essentially I was more interested in the capacity improvement on weekends from the N518 than it serving new areas. Both are scrapped but there's still a pressing need for one. TfL have had compromises in the past to rejected consultations, but no such increase for the N18. This suggests they're seriously looking into a considerable change for the N18.
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 23, 2024 4:46:26 GMT
'After careful consideration, we have found that these changes are too positive for passengers, so have decided to not proceed with the proposals.' A few birds would have been killed with this single stone of the N518, but for whatever horrid reason TfL has chosen otherwise. An N114 between Mill Hill Broadway and Uxbridge would be a cheaper alternative to the N518 in Ruislip, but there are still capacity issues on the Harrow Road corridor that need to be addressed. Ideally the N18 should be minimum every 12 mins during weeknights and every 8 mins on weekends, with possibly the shorts moved to terminate at Harrow Bus Station. Unfortunately I feel TfL tried to have a one size fits all consultation, and I sincerely hope they get round to fixing all the problems they highlighted in this consultation. Ironically the public weren't against the new route and associated changes which is big change from other consultations that have gone ahead regardless of public opinion. I think what tfl mean is " This will cost too much money which we now don't have , let us think of something else or not change it at all and come back to the table " They couldn't give a flying fig about consultations and what people think they are merely lip service as has been seen many times before recently unless a MP is involved and it's somebody's buddy , it's always about Money 💰
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 23, 2024 5:07:54 GMT
Ironically the public weren't against the new route and associated changes which is big change from other consultations that have gone ahead regardless of public opinion. I thought I addressed that with my sarcastic comment Essentially I was more interested in the capacity improvement on weekends from the N518 than it serving new areas. Both are scrapped but there's still a pressing need for one. TfL have had compromises in the past to rejected consultations, but no such increase for the N18. This suggests they're seriously looking into a considerable change for the N18. I know I was just reinforcing the irony of rejecting a consultation that had support hehe. Your right about how often a freq increase does often still go ahead when if the structure doesn't change. Similar aswell to how the DD conversions often still happen even when a route structure doesn't change as planned like with the 428.
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Post by Green Kitten on Jul 23, 2024 13:21:17 GMT
It's a shock really that it isn't going ahead. Clearly the cost proved too much. I wonder how much of the bus budget is now being eaten up by the Superloop. I am probably in the minority but not that surprised its not going ahead. TfL has been on a spending spree recently and there is only so much money! Its hard to imagine only two years ago they were about to go bust yet since then they have introduced the Superloop network and proposing Superloop 2.
I am sure new night routes would be popular but can't imagine they would even come close to covering costs so would be a stretch on finances as they would need lots of support. I do think night routes should charge a premium fare to at least cover more of the costs.
Night buses are competing with Uber, it’s not exactly wise to increase the fares for night buses (and for what reason would a night fare need to be charged at a premium?)
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