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Post by greenboy on Jul 23, 2024 13:33:06 GMT
I am probably in the minority but not that surprised its not going ahead. TfL has been on a spending spree recently and there is only so much money! Its hard to imagine only two years ago they were about to go bust yet since then they have introduced the Superloop network and proposing Superloop 2.
I am sure new night routes would be popular but can't imagine they would even come close to covering costs so would be a stretch on finances as they would need lots of support. I do think night routes should charge a premium fare to at least cover more of the costs.
Night buses are competing with Uber, it’s not exactly wise to increase the fares for night buses (and for what reason would a night fare need to be charged at a premium?) That's what happens in other parts of the country although I assume that they are all capped at £2 at the moment.
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Post by Dad91 on Jul 23, 2024 15:08:33 GMT
No night route on my doorstep what a shame. An N114 and N278 would be nice. easy save money making 114 or 278 night route. To expensive N518 journey to long TFL need to fix 18 by making it SL route
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Post by busman on Jul 25, 2024 6:09:14 GMT
I didn’t see a link posted to the full consultation response, so here it is: haveyoursay.tfl.gov.uk/28766/widgets/81968/documents/64979To me, it doesn’t sound like the proposals are dead. TfL seems to be saying that they will be back with new proposals with a re-routing that will likely: 1. Share a common stop with the N18 at Sudbury Hill & Harrow Road Station (or Sudbury Swan for us older ones!) 2. Serve Sudbury Hill Station 3. No longer serving Whitton Avenue East or Elm Avenue 4. No extension to Uxbridge, Pinner, Greenford etc. All in all, this was a strange consultation. The proposed section to Ruislip seemed massively over-bussed and a means to an end for additional capacity on the N18 corridor. Whitton Avenue would have seen enhanced frequencies and bus seating capacity during the night, compared to the evening frequency and vehicles on the 487. The same would have been true for common sections with the 398. Night time frequencies between Alexandra Avenue and Ruislip would have been doubled compared to peak hour frequencies! Ridiculous. The lower half of Alexandra Avenue not deemed worthy by TfL of a daytime service, was somehow proposed to have bus stops and a night only service. If I lived along that stretch of road, I would be far from receptive to that proposal. I would propose some modifications for the next round of consultation: N7: Extend to Ruislip Station via route 282 to Eastcote Village then following the H13 LOR to Ruislip. Serves the Eastcote - Ruislip section of the proposed N518, avoiding Elm Avenue. No change to frequency - every 30 minutes. Ruislip-Greenford-Ealing corridor to gain a 24hr link. Connects the Ruislip branch of the central piccadilly and met lines with the central line night tube branch at Ealing Broadway. New Route N17: Trafalgar Square to Rayners Lane. Follows the N18 to Sudbury, then the 92 to Sudbury Hill, 487 to South Harrow Station then 398 to Rayners Lane. Every 30 minutes to Rayners Lane every night. Every 15 minutes between Sudbury Hill & Harrow Road and Trafalgar Square on weekend nights. A shorter extension enables South Harrow Station to be served whilst improving reliability of interworking with the N18 timetable. N18: As per the consultation, increase the frequency of route N18 on weekend nights from buses every 30 minutes (2 buses per hour) to buses every 15 minutes (4 buses per hour) on the leg from Harrow Weald to Trafalgar Square. Remove short workings between Sudbury and Trafalgar Square.
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Post by joefrombow on Jul 25, 2024 8:15:01 GMT
An N114 and N278 would be nice. easy save money making 114 or 278 night route. To expensive N518 journey to long TFL need to fix 18 by making it SL route A SL route along Harrow Road would make a lot of sense
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Post by busman on Jul 25, 2024 8:59:05 GMT
easy save money making 114 or 278 night route. To expensive N518 journey to long TFL need to fix 18 by making it SL route A SL route along Harrow Road would make a lot of sense Considering TfL are proposing an SL route along the 65, an SL route along the 18 corridor would make sense. However that is a different proposition to the N518 proposal which is centred around solving capacity issues on the N18 at night. In addition, TfL stated in the proposal response that the N114 and N183 remain suspended and there are no plans for a night service on the 278 or 331.
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Post by Dad91 on Jul 26, 2024 11:33:33 GMT
A SL route along Harrow Road would make a lot of sense Considering TfL are proposing an SL route along the 65, an SL route along the 18 corridor would make sense. However that is a different proposition to the N518 proposal which is centred around solving capacity issues on the N18 at night. In addition, TfL stated in the proposal response that the N114 and N183 remain suspended and there are no plans for a night service on the 278 or 331. SL route would help 18 a lot take some pressure from 18 new SL route Paddington to Ruislip via 18
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Post by COBO on Jul 26, 2024 16:22:47 GMT
I wonder if Khan is saving money for Superloop 2 is the reason why he scrapped this idea and the Uxbridge idea. Normally when they do consultations they go through with regardless of people wanting it or not.
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Post by DE20106 on Jul 26, 2024 16:50:48 GMT
I wonder if Khan is saving money for Superloop 2 is the reason why he scrapped this idea and the Uxbridge idea. Normally when they do consultations they go through with regardless of people wanting it or not. Would the Uxbridge consultation have cost more money though, two U routes would have been merged into 1
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 27, 2024 8:19:24 GMT
I wonder if Khan is saving money for Superloop 2 is the reason why he scrapped this idea and the Uxbridge idea. Normally when they do consultations they go through with regardless of people wanting it or not. Would the Uxbridge consultation have cost more money though, two U routes would have been merged into 1 My guess would be a cost neutral set of changes with probably a bit of money left over aswell. Removing the overlaps on the U1/U2/U3 would fund the extension of the E7 as would the E7 ommiting the run via Ruislip High Street.
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Post by dominic on Jul 31, 2024 20:22:29 GMT
I wonder when the 24-hour weekend night serivces are gonna return, rather change them to 24-hour daily service since 123 and 486 did last year.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 31, 2024 20:30:58 GMT
I wonder when the 24-hour weekend night serivces are gonna return, rather change them to 24-hour daily service since 123 and 486 did last year. Possibly never now. If demand wasn't huge for them linking into the night tube then Sunday to Thursday will likely be even less well used.
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Post by dominic on Jul 31, 2024 20:33:44 GMT
Understandable
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Post by mrhk on Aug 13, 2024 17:38:56 GMT
I wonder when the 24-hour weekend night serivces are gonna return, rather change them to 24-hour daily service since 123 and 486 did last year. Possibly never now. If demand wasn't huge for them linking into the night tube then Sunday to Thursday will likely be even less well used. Weirdly enough though, at Harrow Bus Station, TfL advertises 183 as a 24 hour weekend route on the local area bus map despite the fact it has been suspended for a long time. Could they have plans to reinstate the service? 114 does not seem to be highlighted as a 24hr weekend route so who knows?
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Post by mrhk on Aug 13, 2024 17:41:22 GMT
A SL route along Harrow Road would make a lot of sense Considering TfL are proposing an SL route along the 65, an SL route along the 18 corridor would make sense. However that is a different proposition to the N518 proposal which is centred around solving capacity issues on the N18 at night. In addition, TfL stated in the proposal response that the N114 and N183 remain suspended and there are no plans for a night service on the 278 or 331. This implies that TfL in the past had plans to give the 278/331 night services. 278 I understand as that starts and ends very early due to it serving Heathrow however I can't imagine what area on the 331 would want a night service.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 13, 2024 19:10:10 GMT
Considering TfL are proposing an SL route along the 65, an SL route along the 18 corridor would make sense. However that is a different proposition to the N518 proposal which is centred around solving capacity issues on the N18 at night. In addition, TfL stated in the proposal response that the N114 and N183 remain suspended and there are no plans for a night service on the 278 or 331. This implies that TfL in the past had plans to give the 278/331 night services. 278 I understand as that starts and ends very early due to it serving Heathrow however I can't imagine what area on the 331 would want a night service. Or they might have just been referring to suggestions made. We know there are often quite wacky ones made.
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