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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 7, 2024 22:07:12 GMT
Whilst I might be against the cutting back of the 45, there wouldn’t be any issues in a truncated 45 or extended 118 standing in Q or WL. The 484 has done this for decades without issues and on top, various buses have official turns to Camberwell Green Catching up on this thread, but thought it was worth taking a look at what the tender specs for the 484 said, given that it approaches Camberwell Green from the south. The latest document on Ian Armstrong's site dates back to 2011 but assumes a stand in Q or WL will not be available. It asks bidders to assume instead that a stand will be created up to 5 mins running time from the destination point. Other routes from the south use Medlar Road to turn but it's important to note that they are not allowed to stand. A fair assumption might be that TfL will look to find a standing space on this loop if the proposals emerge as people predict. Im assuming they would have to have a stand option that doesn't involve standing in WL or Q in order for other operators to have the option of bidding, namely Arriva.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 7, 2024 22:10:08 GMT
I think it will come down to how ready the consultations are now, and whether a change in government might have any sort of effect from the treasury (although I imagine it'd be minimal if at all). From what it seems the 414 one and SL5/7 one at least were pretty much ready to go right until Sunak called the election, but the other notable point is that the 241 consultation still got released during Purdah so what is in the consultations that made both of them red flags to release and whether any of that obviously could have influenced government policy and as a result could potentially need some form of change. If I was being extremely cynical I'd not even put it past Khan to green light consultations that would cause uproar like the 414 (say whatever you like about it, but Fulham residents will oppose it) just to sweep in and save them where they run through non-Labour constituencies such as Fulham and the South West. Not Fulham (by only 152 votes) is a Labour seat I'd imagine the consultation will still go ahead. As people have said and its true, there are now bigger things that needs funding like the Bakerloo Line trains, new trams and Hammersmith Bridge that any money for London will have to go on them as in effective there is no Government to blame now. However the new Government will still not necessarily make any big spends for TFL when all Metro Mayors will be asking. Money they spend in London on the new Bakerloo Line trains for example will benefit manufacturing and supply chains up north and I think Labour is aware of that so that might be a quick win-win for London, supply chains and the new government.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 7, 2024 22:17:38 GMT
Not Fulham (by only 152 votes) is a Labour seat I'd imagine the consultation will still go ahead. As people have said and its true, there are now bigger things that needs funding like the Bakerloo Line trains, new trams and Hammersmith Bridge that any money for London will have to go on them as in effective there is no Government to blame now. However the new Government will still not necessarily make any big spends for TFL when all Metro Mayors will be asking. Money they spend in London on the new Bakerloo Line trains for example will benefit manufacturing and supply chains up north and I think Labour is aware of that so that might be a quick win-win for London, supply chains and the new government. Would be a good continuation of the Piccadilly line trains. 4 years on and only 2 trains done I can't help but think a more cosmetic refurb (seats, repaint grab rails) to buy them some more time but now look at replacing the 1992 in the next 8 to 10 years and not proceed with the heavy overhaul.
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Post by matthieu1221 on Jul 8, 2024 18:42:43 GMT
Money they spend in London on the new Bakerloo Line trains for example will benefit manufacturing and supply chains up north and I think Labour is aware of that so that might be a quick win-win for London, supply chains and the new government. Would be a good continuation of the Piccadilly line trains. 4 years on and only 2 trains done I can't help but think a more cosmetic refurb (seats, repaint grab rails) to buy them some more time but now look at replacing the 1992 in the next 8 to 10 years and not proceed with the heavy overhaul. Some long-term vision looking at NR rolling stock too will also help stem the current start-stop rhythm of train orders which is absolutely inappropriate with sustaining domestic rail manufacturing, so fingers crossed.
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Post by ucm131 on Aug 5, 2024 15:03:17 GMT
somehow something was weird - where exactly was the offical proposal website for the 14/414?
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 5, 2024 15:40:18 GMT
somehow something was weird - where exactly was the offical proposal website for the 14/414? It got taken down.
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Post by wirewiper on Aug 5, 2024 15:43:03 GMT
somehow something was weird - where exactly was the offical proposal website for the 14/414? It was stymied by the snap General Election and doesn't appear to have been reinstated yet.
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Post by SILENCED on Aug 5, 2024 15:46:39 GMT
somehow something was weird - where exactly was the offical proposal website for the 14/414? It got taken down. The Mayor had a rethink as he could not blame the cut on central government.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 5, 2024 15:54:26 GMT
The Mayor had a rethink as he could not blame the cut on central government. I did email TFL about a week ago (I kind of played dumb and pretended I couldn't get the link to work) and had a reply from a woman saying they were now working through a pile of consultations which they couldn't launch during the GE. She said there wasn't a confirmed date yet for it re launching.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 5, 2024 16:04:42 GMT
The Mayor had a rethink as he could not blame the cut on central government. I do agree with you that there has been a major rethink in the upper echelons of TFL regarding the consultations concerning routes 14 and 414, routes SL5 and SL7 plus the rumoured one concerning routes 45 and 118 since the outcome of the General Election and the subsequent change of government. Otherwise, why haven't these consultations not been launched a month after the General election outcome has been known? All of these consultations have the potential to be very controversial with the public and attract negative press coverage for TFL. In addition, what comes into question is the status of the tenders of route 414 (new contract to start in November 2024), route 45 (new contract to start in November 2024) and route 118 (new contract to start in February 2025), I think the tendering process for these routes have been quietly paused at the moment while TFL makes a final decision on how to proceed with their intentions for these routes.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 5, 2024 16:12:58 GMT
The Mayor had a rethink as he could not blame the cut on central government. I did email TFL about a week ago (I kind of played dumb and pretended I couldn't get the link to work) and had a reply from a woman saying they were now working through a pile of consultations which they couldn't launch during the GE. She said there wasn't a confirmed date yet for it re launching. That does make a lot of sense. You got consultations for routes 14/414, routes SL5/SL7, potentially routes 45/118 and then the 10 Superloop 2 routes that will all have to be consulted on.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 5, 2024 16:13:57 GMT
The Mayor had a rethink as he could not blame the cut on central government. I do agree with you that there has been a major rethink in the upper echelons of TFL regarding the consultations concerning routes 14 and 414, routes SL5 and SL7 plus the rumoured one concerning routes 45 and 118 since the outcome of the General Election and the subsequent change of government. Otherwise, why haven't these consultations not been launched a month after the General election outcome has been known? All of these consultations have the potential to be very controversial with the public and attract negative press coverage for TFL. In addition, what comes into question is the status of the tenders of route 414 (new contract to start in November 2024), route 45 (new contract to start in November 2024) and route 118 (new contract to start in February 2025), I think the tendering process for these routes have been quietly paused at the moment while TFL makes a final decision on how to proceed with their intentions for these routes. I wouldn't say thou much enthusiasm has come from Rachel Reeves for Transport projects plus the fact she has said £5billion this year and £8billion the year after in savings. Saving around £8 to 10m from changes to the 14/45/118/414 is still an attractive figure to TFL.
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Post by ilovelondonbuses on Aug 5, 2024 16:20:56 GMT
I do agree with you that there has been a major rethink in the upper echelons of TFL regarding the consultations concerning routes 14 and 414, routes SL5 and SL7 plus the rumoured one concerning routes 45 and 118 since the outcome of the General Election and the subsequent change of government. Otherwise, why haven't these consultations not been launched a month after the General election outcome has been known? All of these consultations have the potential to be very controversial with the public and attract negative press coverage for TFL. In addition, what comes into question is the status of the tenders of route 414 (new contract to start in November 2024), route 45 (new contract to start in November 2024) and route 118 (new contract to start in February 2025), I think the tendering process for these routes have been quietly paused at the moment while TFL makes a final decision on how to proceed with their intentions for these routes. I wouldn't say thou much enthusiasm has come from Rachel Reeves for Transport projects plus the fact she has said £5billion this year and £8billion the year after in savings. Saving around £8 to 10m from changes to the 14/45/118/414 is still an attractive figure to TFL. Agreed and in order for the promised Superloop 2 network to be implemented, TFL will need to enact some cuts in the bus network that does put arguably superfluous routes like routes 45 and 414 in the firing line to be withdrawn. Now that I think about it more it just seems like a waiting game for all these consultations to be launched.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 5, 2024 21:57:43 GMT
I wouldn't say thou much enthusiasm has come from Rachel Reeves for Transport projects plus the fact she has said £5billion this year and £8billion the year after in savings. Saving around £8 to 10m from changes to the 14/45/118/414 is still an attractive figure to TFL. Agreed and in order for the promised Superloop 2 network to be implemented, TFL will need to enact some cuts in the bus network that does put arguably superfluous routes like routes 45 and 414 in the firing line to be withdrawn. Now that I think about it more it just seems like a waiting game for all these consultations to be launched. The 45 isn't arguably a superflous route at all - it has a defined role and offers links that are useful and important to us local people.
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Post by mrhk on Aug 9, 2024 20:35:38 GMT
There will likely be a Southall area consultation later this year including the introduction of a new 495 route. I believe the Meridian Water consultation should also go live this year, too. I thought that they were just going to go ahead with the changes. They've already withdrawn 427 between Southall and Acton.
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