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Post by PGAT on May 15, 2024 10:41:36 GMT
The 359 isn't useless, but I feel that it's annoying and has some untapped potential. The Purley to Addington link is useful, as well as uniquely serving some housing isolated from other routes, but it isn't that well used and the massive frequency reduction hasn't done it any favours. Surely there's some way it can be extended to give it the real push it needs?
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Post by londonbuses on May 15, 2024 10:52:17 GMT
The 359 isn't useless, but I feel that it's annoying and has some untapped potential. The Purley to Addington link is useful, as well as uniquely serving some housing isolated from other routes, but it isn't that well used and the massive frequency reduction hasn't done it any favours. Surely there's some way it can be extended to give it the real push it needs? I've previously suggested an extension to Wallington Station via Foxley Lane, Plough Lane, Foresters Drive, Sandy Lane South, Stafford Road and Woodcote Road, using the 455s old stand which is currently available. That would provide a service along some new roads and reconnect part of Roundshaw to Wallington Station. The biggest thing is that the frequency would be increased back to 2bph (which is not viable at the moment as it used to stand at Purley for 29 mins when it was an every 30m service), but it would have to use shorter 9.7m buses as the 10.8m ones wouldn't get around my extension (this is not the end of the world though as it is not a particularly busy service anyway). |
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2024 11:51:09 GMT
The 359 isn't useless, but I feel that it's annoying and has some untapped potential. The Purley to Addington link is useful, as well as uniquely serving some housing isolated from other routes, but it isn't that well used and the massive frequency reduction hasn't done it any favours. Surely there's some way it can be extended to give it the real push it needs? The problem is the frequency rather than needing an extension - it used to be every 30 upon extension to Purley but then was cut back so no wonder patronage falls off. Running low frequency routes in London is always a double edged sword because of the usual higher frequencies most other routes have. |
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Post by TB123 on May 15, 2024 12:08:00 GMT
The 359 isn't useless, but I feel that it's annoying and has some untapped potential. The Purley to Addington link is useful, as well as uniquely serving some housing isolated from other routes, but it isn't that well used and the massive frequency reduction hasn't done it any favours. Surely there's some way it can be extended to give it the real push it needs? The problem is the frequency rather than needing an extension - it used to be every 30 upon extension to Purley but then was cut back so no wonder patronage falls off. Running low frequency routes in London is always a double edged sword because of the usual higher frequencies most other routes have. It's hard to see what else could really be done with the 359 either. |
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Post by TB123 on May 15, 2024 12:08:51 GMT
The 359 isn't useless, but I feel that it's annoying and has some untapped potential. The Purley to Addington link is useful, as well as uniquely serving some housing isolated from other routes, but it isn't that well used and the massive frequency reduction hasn't done it any favours. Surely there's some way it can be extended to give it the real push it needs? I've previously suggested an extension to Wallington Station via Foxley Lane, Plough Lane, Foresters Drive, Sandy Lane South, Stafford Road and Woodcote Road, using the 455s old stand which is currently available. That would provide a service along some new roads and reconnect part of Roundshaw to Wallington Station. The biggest thing is that the frequency would be increased back to 2bph (which is not viable at the moment as it used to stand at Purley for 29 mins when it was an every 30m service), but it would have to use shorter 9.7m buses as the 10.8m ones wouldn't get around my extension (this is not the end of the world though as it is not a particularly busy service anyway). Your proposed extension would be able to take 10.8m vehicles. |
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Post by vjaska on May 15, 2024 13:11:34 GMT
The problem is the frequency rather than needing an extension - it used to be every 30 upon extension to Purley but then was cut back so no wonder patronage falls off. Running low frequency routes in London is always a double edged sword because of the usual higher frequencies most other routes have. It's hard to see what else could really be done with the 359 either. Restore it to every 30 minutes is at least a start, even via the good idea londonbuses had where his extension would allow that frequency to occur without worrying as much about excessive stand time - leaving it as it is will hardly attract people out of cars now especially in the areas it runs through where the car is prominent. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 15, 2024 13:44:14 GMT
The 359 isn't useless, but I feel that it's annoying and has some untapped potential. The Purley to Addington link is useful, as well as uniquely serving some housing isolated from other routes, but it isn't that well used and the massive frequency reduction hasn't done it any favours. Surely there's some way it can be extended to give it the real push it needs? The problem is the frequency rather than needing an extension - it used to be every 30 upon extension to Purley but then was cut back so no wonder patronage falls off. Running low frequency routes in London is always a double edged sword because of the usual higher frequencies most other routes have. Anything that moves away from clock face freqs is never a good thing as it makes them harder to remember. 30 mins should really be the norm rather then 45 mins on the 359. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 19, 2024 8:31:19 GMT
The 53 is definitely very far from being a useless route, however I don’t think the section between E&C & Lambeth North is useful at all. Could it be worth having the 53 terminate at Waterloo Station? I think this would be more useful than its current terminus & stand space is available since both the 26 & 521 were moved out.
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Post by 18ARustee on May 19, 2024 8:45:20 GMT
The 481 - the emptiest double deck I have ever seen. Even in rush hour. Why was it upgrades to a double deck.
The 206 - Although I understand the logic of a double deck, where it passes, it's not feasible. Especially at the back of Willesden where it passes, and approaching Harlesden.
The 112 - Really pleased with the extension to North Finchley, however, now it's practically screaming for a double deck upgrade methinks
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Post by LK65EBO on May 19, 2024 9:03:30 GMT
The 481 - the emptiest double deck I have ever seen. Even in rush hour. Why was it upgrades to a double deck. The 206 - Although I understand the logic of a double deck, where it passes, it's not feasible. Especially at the back of Willesden where it passes, and approaching Harlesden. The 112 - Really pleased with the extension to North Finchley, however, now it's practically screaming for a double deck upgrade methinks I think it was cheaper to upgrade the 481 to double deck than to introduce new electric SDs. Plus I believe the specification was DDs. |
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Post by ADH45258 on May 19, 2024 9:11:40 GMT
The 481 - the emptiest double deck I have ever seen. Even in rush hour. Why was it upgrades to a double deck. The 206 - Although I understand the logic of a double deck, where it passes, it's not feasible. Especially at the back of Willesden where it passes, and approaching Harlesden. The 112 - Really pleased with the extension to North Finchley, however, now it's practically screaming for a double deck upgrade methinks Agree with the 206 and 481. The 481 would probably see more demand if it stayed as an SD route but at a higher frequency. And regarding the 112, I think it should have stayed in its previous form and converted to DDs - then introduce a new SD route to North Finchley. The new route could also replace the 232 to St Raphaels, also allowing the 232 to convert to DDs (which would be cut back to Brent Cross West). I also wonder if there might be any advantage in the 112 then taking over the 483 to Windmill Park, allowing the 483 to run more reliably (which isn't much shorter than the previous 83)? |
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Post by greenboy on May 19, 2024 9:30:49 GMT
The 53 is definitely very far from being a useless route, however I don’t think the section between E&C & Lambeth North is useful at all. Could it be worth having the 53 terminate at Waterloo Station? I think this would be more useful than its current terminus & stand space is available since both the 26 & 521 were moved out. Quite possibly although I think the main reason it terminates at Lambeth North is to provide same stop interchange with other routes that cross Westminster Bridge. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 19, 2024 9:36:23 GMT
The 53 is definitely very far from being a useless route, however I don’t think the section between E&C & Lambeth North is useful at all. Could it be worth having the 53 terminate at Waterloo Station? I think this would be more useful than its current terminus & stand space is available since both the 26 & 521 were moved out. Quite possibly although I think the main reason it terminates at Lambeth North is to provide same stop interchange with other routes that cross Westminster Bridge. True but the 453 does parallel the 53 between Deptford & Lambeth North at a high frequency. Obviously that sort of capacity is needed for that sort of corridor but I do feel like having the 53 enabling interchange with trains at Waterloo is more useful in this case. |
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Post by greenboy on May 19, 2024 9:36:42 GMT
The 481 - the emptiest double deck I have ever seen. Even in rush hour. Why was it upgrades to a double deck. The 206 - Although I understand the logic of a double deck, where it passes, it's not feasible. Especially at the back of Willesden where it passes, and approaching Harlesden. The 112 - Really pleased with the extension to North Finchley, however, now it's practically screaming for a double deck upgrade methinks The 112 cannot have double deckers since it was rerouted via Madeley Road, perhaps it needs a frequency increase? |
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Post by 18ARustee on May 19, 2024 9:37:45 GMT
The 226 route is puzzling. The 83 was cut back from Ealing Broadway & The Hospital respectively. Yet, the 226 runs from Golders Green to Ealing Broadway. I think it should be cut back to First Central Business Park. The Hanger lane to Ealing Broadway be part of a new SD local route, starting from Willesden Junction or North Acton, go via Park Royal Road and then via the 226 route to Ealing Broadway
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