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Post by DT 11 on May 4, 2024 18:34:50 GMT
This would not cause any problems at all by go visit Vauxhall Bus Station and you will see. The 36 185 N136 both enter the bus station from Vauxhall Bridge Road and serve Bus Stop C. Swapping over with Stop E does not do a thing other than drive a few more feet. The 344 to Clapham Junction enters Vauxhall Bus Station via South Lambeth Road. Problem solved. 156 terminates at Vauxhall so is not affected. What I have put in Bold is a load of rubbish the Solution is there they are just too lazy to do it. I wonder how many people on the 436 miss connections because of this rubbish. But Every Journey Matters right… Oh Please Overload Bus Stops look how big Vauxhall Bus Station is ⬇️⬇️⬇️ Solution 156 344 436 towards Nine Elms serve Stop C 36 185 N136 towards Camberwell serve Stop E This is what I suggested in the consultation so to suggest no solution has been made is utter rubbish. Eliminates 436 loop however it will serve the same stops but in different directions. Those who get on the wrong bus get used to it or read the notices and blinds. consultation Where the 436 enters Vauxhall Bus Station, it completely misses Stop E, so a full circuit of the bus station would still be needed with your suggestion. Google Maps shot. How is solution you propose workable? Point Taken. I was thinking of Stop D. Did not actually realise Stop E was right by the entrance. Sorry. Anyways another easy solution would be to swap Stop C & Stop D Stop C: 2/N2 88 Stop D: 36 185 436 N136 Problem Solved 436 will no longer have to loop bus station. 2 & 88 both come across Vauxhall Bridge Road just like the 36 & 185… |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 4, 2024 20:57:55 GMT
A useless stop on route 144: Stop M at Turnpike Lane, when it already double runs to serve Turnpike Lane Bus Station & serves Wood Green High Road (Q) nearby.
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Post by vjaska on May 4, 2024 23:32:21 GMT
A useless stop on route 144: Stop M at Turnpike Lane, when it already double runs to serve Turnpike Lane Bus Station & serves Wood Green High Road (Q) nearby. I don't think there is such a thing as a useless stop but even ignoring that, there is clearly different uses for each of the three stops - I mean, Stop M gives interchange from the 144 to the 29 & 141 plus allows people to change for the Piccadilly rather than potentially get caught by the lights, the bus station allows direct interchange with the 217 & 231 and Stop Q gives interchange to the 41 |
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Post by greg on May 5, 2024 0:26:48 GMT
Not a stop thats useless but I don’t see why buses westbound don’t serve Euston Bus Station rather than Euston Road. Can be quite the walk and irritance as Id say many people who head to Euston come from the north and east, particularly busy on the 205.
There are no obstructions to rerouting via Grafton Way and Euston Bus Station in both directions, I don’t see why they dont do it. The 18 and 476 use to do it before they were rerouted/476 curtailed, as there are no longer roadworks there.
Swapping the 18/68 stands again and bus stop F to be served by the 18, 30, 73, 205, 390, N5, N20, N73 and N253 instead of the three Camden-TSQ night routes.
I dont think stand space would be an issue, but you could split the bus stops as stop F has a short road length, for one bus stop towards Baker Street for the 18, 30, 205, N205 and one closer to the alighting point for the 73, 390, N5, N20, N253 instead. Worst case scenario if space is needed for 2 stops you could remove the alighting point and make it an 18 stand with the current 68 stand becoming a bus stop and stop F remained.
The 253 could alight at its standing point as it is an official bus stop in comparison to the other Euston-terminating routes and the 68 could move to the vacant 59 stand which is also an actual bus stop. Leaves the current 18 stand empty and possibly for good measure helping the congested northbound buses out.
The current Euston Station stop will still be served westbound, but to additionally call at Euston Bus Station.
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 5, 2024 2:40:26 GMT
Not a stop thats useless but I don’t see why buses westbound don’t serve Euston Bus Station rather than Euston Road. Can be quite the walk and irritance as Id say many people who head to Euston come from the north and east, particularly busy on the 205. There are no obstructions to rerouting via Grafton Way and Euston Bus Station in both directions, I don’t see why they dont do it. The 18 and 476 use to do it before they were rerouted/476 curtailed, as there are no longer roadworks there. Swapping the 18/68 stands again and bus stop F to be served by the 18, 30, 73, 205, 390, N5, N20, N73 and N253 instead of the three Camden-TSQ night routes. I dont think stand space would be an issue, but you could split the bus stops as stop F has a short road length, for one bus stop towards Baker Street for the 18, 30, 205, N205 and one closer to the alighting point for the 73, 390, N5, N20, N253 instead. Worst case scenario if space is needed for 2 stops you could remove the alighting point and make it an 18 stand with the current 68 stand becoming a bus stop and stop F remained. The 253 could alight at its standing point as it is an official bus stop in comparison to the other Euston-terminating routes and the 68 could move to the vacant 59 stand which is also an actual bus stop. Leaves the current 18 stand empty and possibly for good measure helping the congested northbound buses out. The current Euston Station stop will still be served westbound, but to additionally call at Euston Bus Station. When works were done on Euston Bus Station and E/B buses were stopping at Euston Road instead of Euston Bus Station, it saves 5+ minutes. The lights from Churchway onto Euston Road usually take 3 or more cycles to exit back onto Euston Road -- I actually think that's what makes the 18 so prone to bunching from basically the second stop. I actually think E/B buses should skip it when the time comes for Euston to finally get a revamp with the bus stops for through routes being moved onto Euston Road.
For W/B buses, the light sequences (and road capacity) on Churchway and Grafton Way are absolutely unsuited to it in addition to adding to the journey time. Buses would have to cut across 2 lanes of traffic (often at a standstill) on Euston Road to turn right onto Churchway, with it not having a dedicated right turn sequence so waiting for a gap in oncoming traffic. Realistically, you'd get a bus or two at most turning per sequence, all while blocking one of the two general traffic lanes.
There's also the taxi stand having now moved there being a problem, as Churchway and Grafton Way in the W/B direction being needed to access it if coming from the east on Euston Road. |
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Post by mondraker275 on May 5, 2024 17:56:50 GMT
A useless stop on route 144: Stop M at Turnpike Lane, when it already double runs to serve Turnpike Lane Bus Station & serves Wood Green High Road (Q) nearby. I don't think there is such a thing as a useless stop but even ignoring that, there is clearly different uses for each of the three stops - I mean, Stop M gives interchange from the 144 to the 29 & 141 plus allows people to change for the Piccadilly rather than potentially get caught by the lights, the bus station allows direct interchange with the 217 & 231 and Stop Q gives interchange to the 41 You make a good point on (M), and I would add to your point with (Q) that it is very popular stop with many people getting off from buses heading towards Wood Green and crossing the park to use that stop (I did it recently). I would argue that there is no need for it to serve the station, (M) and (Q) are sufficient. The bus would take an immediate right which is for 'bus only' and that is a bus priority that is not being used often. You also have many routes that do not go into to the station e.g. 230 so this would not be something new and also the common route in that direction, 41, also does not serve the station. |
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Post by aaron1 on May 5, 2024 21:00:41 GMT
I find the 142 double running in Edgware annoying as it take a lot of time That why I want it to switch routes with the 107 be making go down Edgwarebury Line and 107 go down Stonegrove and make 142 skip Edgware Bus Station
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Post by southlondonbus on May 5, 2024 21:09:48 GMT
I find the 25 and 425 looping into Stratford bus station now a bit annoying as it does add to the journey a little bit with the traffic lights. I get thou the feeling was it brings the routes closer to the station and stairs to Westfield but the 25 did feel slightly quicker when it only served Stratford Centre then straight down the High Street.
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Post by borneobus on May 5, 2024 23:37:53 GMT
I find the 25 and 425 looping into Stratford bus station now a bit annoying as it does add to the journey a little bit with the traffic lights. I get thou the feeling was it brings the routes closer to the station and stairs to Westfield but the 25 did feel slightly quicker when it only served Stratford Centre then straight down the High Street. Agreed and the lights at Stratford are annoying but the pax numbers are huge: Boarding at Stratford Bus Station in 2023 25 - 997k 425 - 649k |
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Post by abc on May 8, 2024 13:17:24 GMT
Where the 436 enters Vauxhall Bus Station, it completely misses Stop E, so a full circuit of the bus station would still be needed with your suggestion. Google Maps shot. How is solution you propose workable? Point Taken. I was thinking of Stop D. Did not actually realise Stop E was right by the entrance. Sorry. Anyways another easy solution would be to swap Stop C & Stop D Stop C: 2/N2 88 Stop D: 36 185 436 N136 Problem Solved 436 will no longer have to loop bus station. 2 & 88 both come across Vauxhall Bridge Road just like the 36 & 185… As an almost daily visitor if Vauxhall Bus Station, I believe that the 436 loop is not a significant issue. Actually, I prefer to go from stop E to stop A rather than getting off at the south part of the station (344 and 156) and walking the full length to get to stop A. One issue that I see people having is mixing the Westbound 436 (especially when another bus is infrint of it in stop E) for a Camberwell bound one. |
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Post by ronnie on May 8, 2024 13:49:11 GMT
I find the 25 and 425 looping into Stratford bus station now a bit annoying as it does add to the journey a little bit with the traffic lights. I get thou the feeling was it brings the routes closer to the station and stairs to Westfield but the 25 did feel slightly quicker when it only served Stratford Centre then straight down the High Street. Agreed and the lights at Stratford are annoying but the pax numbers are huge: Boarding at Stratford Bus Station in 2023 25 - 997k 425 - 649k The entire thing is more annoying because of the accursed gyratory removal. I am willing to run a wager that traffic would have moved faster if the Stratford gyratory (plus Aldgate gyratory) hadn’t been removed in the first place |
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Post by DT 11 on May 8, 2024 13:51:43 GMT
Point Taken. I was thinking of Stop D. Did not actually realise Stop E was right by the entrance. Sorry. Anyways another easy solution would be to swap Stop C & Stop D Stop C: 2/N2 88 Stop D: 36 185 436 N136 Problem Solved 436 will no longer have to loop bus station. 2 & 88 both come across Vauxhall Bridge Road just like the 36 & 185… As an almost daily visitor if Vauxhall Bus Station, I believe that the 436 loop is not a significant issue. Actually, I prefer to go from stop E to stop A rather than getting off at the south part of the station (344 and 156) and walking the full length to get to stop A. One issue that I see people having is mixing the Westbound 436 (especially when another bus is infrint of it in stop E) for a Camberwell bound one. What does Stop A have to do with this? That stop is for buses to Victoria. In addition that happens allover Vauxhall Bus Station because people look at the number and not the destination. |
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Post by sdaniel on May 8, 2024 14:09:29 GMT
A useless stop on route 144: Stop M at Turnpike Lane, when it already double runs to serve Turnpike Lane Bus Station & serves Wood Green High Road (Q) nearby. I think Stop M is useful but I don’t think it’s necessary of 144 going inside the bus station because it increases passenger’s journey time and Bus Stop Q ‘Wood Green High Road’ is just across the road from the bus station. |
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Post by sdaniel on May 8, 2024 14:18:56 GMT
I find the 25 and 425 looping into Stratford bus station now a bit annoying as it does add to the journey a little bit with the traffic lights. I get thou the feeling was it brings the routes closer to the station and stairs to Westfield but the 25 did feel slightly quicker when it only served Stratford Centre then straight down the High Street. A better idea for both the 25 and 425 is if they still served Stratford Bus Station for the train station obviously and bus interchanges but ran down Great Eastern Road then served ‘Stop G’ The Grove and Stop H ‘Salway Place instead of running down Stratford Broadway and serving Stop K and Stop N ‘Stratford Centre’ |
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Post by WH241 on May 8, 2024 14:27:44 GMT
I find the 25 and 425 looping into Stratford bus station now a bit annoying as it does add to the journey a little bit with the traffic lights. I get thou the feeling was it brings the routes closer to the station and stairs to Westfield but the 25 did feel slightly quicker when it only served Stratford Centre then straight down the High Street. A better idea for both the 25 and 425 is if they still served Stratford Bus Station for the train station obviously and bus interchanges but ran down Great Eastern Road then served ‘Stop G’ The Grove and Stop H ‘Salway Place instead of running down Stratford Broadway and serving Stop K and Stop N ‘Stratford Centre’ The time difference would probably be the same and to be honest I imagine more people would board at Stratford centre than the along The Grove. The congestion on the at section can be a nightmare. |
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