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Post by southlondonbus on May 20, 2024 18:26:31 GMT
Yes it did, in the first year of operation until late 2003. A similar scenario occurred further down the 205 route in 2019 when upon contract renewal, the Marylebone Station stop on Melcombe Place stopped being served and buses on the 205 deferred to serving the station from Marylebone Road like the 18 and 27. I believe this was so the route could serve as many stations as possible due to its nature. While not the same circumstance it was also one of a few routes to go through Liverpool Street bus station too. Probably as initially it replaced the Station link service. |
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Post by enviroPB on May 20, 2024 18:44:48 GMT
Yes it did, in the first year of operation until late 2003. A similar scenario occurred further down the 205 route in 2019 when upon contract renewal, the Marylebone Station stop on Melcombe Place stopped being served and buses on the 205 deferred to serving the station from Marylebone Road like the 18 and 27. I believe this was so the route could serve as many stations as possible due to its nature. While not the same circumstance it was also one of a few routes to go through Liverpool Street bus station too. Not a few- the 100 and 205 were the only through routes at Liverpool Street bus station in its heyday. Hard to imagine the 11, 23, 133, 153 and 214 all stood there during the day; the bus station looks more like a decoration ornament now. |
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Post by MKAY315 on May 20, 2024 19:16:06 GMT
I believe this was so the route could serve as many stations as possible due to its nature. While not the same circumstance it was also one of a few routes to go through Liverpool Street bus station too. Not a few- the 100 and 205 were the only through routes at Liverpool Street bus station in its heyday. Hard to imagine the 11, 23, 133, 153 and 214 all stood there during the day; the bus station looks more like a decoration ornament now. Add the 271 on weekends too. |
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Post by matthieu1221 on May 21, 2024 0:50:15 GMT
Yes it did, in the first year of operation until late 2003. A similar scenario occurred further down the 205 route in 2019 when upon contract renewal, the Marylebone Station stop on Melcombe Place stopped being served and buses on the 205 deferred to serving the station from Marylebone Road like the 18 and 27. I believe this was so the route could serve as many stations as possible due to its nature. While not the same circumstance it was also one of a few routes to go through Liverpool Street bus station too. It also used to do a loop via York Way around King’s Cross when launched. Possibly the most futile of the detours out of them all. |
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Post by route53 on May 21, 2024 12:03:39 GMT
No trains run to Charing Cross and Waterloo East from the areas the 53 serves after Old Kent Road due to the Winter 2022 timetable change. A new bus station is planned to the southeast side of Waterloo station if the redevelopment goes ahead, I wouldn’t be surprised if the 53 gets sent there if they haven’t changed the route before then. London Bridge when I travelled on SE was overcrowded to dangerous levels, plus i and many others had to often let a few CX trains go before there would be enough room on one train, plus the Cst trains are far slower and takes longer to reach London Bridge and therefore Waterloo and Charing Cross. London Bridge isn’t what it’s cracked up to be, there is a reason why SE has had the slowest growth in its metro area, specifically the Woolwich and Bexleyheath lines have lost passengers to the EL. |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 21, 2024 13:14:38 GMT
A new bus station is planned to the southeast side of Waterloo station if the redevelopment goes ahead, I wouldn’t be surprised if the 53 gets sent there if they haven’t changed the route before then. I have learned something today  Agree, I can see the 53 terminating in the new Waterloo bus station that I have literally just learned about! |
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Post by TB123 on May 21, 2024 13:27:34 GMT
A new bus station is planned to the southeast side of Waterloo station if the redevelopment goes ahead, I wouldn’t be surprised if the 53 gets sent there if they haven’t changed the route before then. I have learned something today Agree, I can see the 53 terminating in the new Waterloo bus station that I have literally just learned about! Here is some more detail of the proposed new interchange for those interested |
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Post by route53 on May 21, 2024 15:23:44 GMT
If it was to go to Victoria it would still go to Lambeth North then the entire old 507 route. I should have been more specific. Anyways the 12 & 453 also stop at St Thomas Hospital which in fact takes you closer to there than the 53 if it was to be curtailed overall if that alleged 45 & 118 thing goes ahead I wouldn’t be surprised if the 53 is curtailed. To be fair the transport towers have been looking for every excuse in the book since 1999 to cut it back to Elephant. They're probably one cut away from doing it. route53 and myself over the years have voiced our disagreement for them to possibly make that move but knowing them I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with an "interesting" excuse to do it. I reckon they’ll reroute the 53 to Waterloo, with the new Superloops set to arrive they’ll need all the space at E&C they can get, my biggest worry is if the Bakerloo does get extended to Lewisham, what will happen to the 53 then? |
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Post by twobellstogo on May 21, 2024 16:01:12 GMT
To be fair the transport towers have been looking for every excuse in the book since 1999 to cut it back to Elephant. They're probably one cut away from doing it. route53 and myself over the years have voiced our disagreement for them to possibly make that move but knowing them I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with an "interesting" excuse to do it. I reckon they’ll reroute the 53 to Waterloo, with the new Superloops set to arrive they’ll need all the space at E&C they can get, my biggest worry is if the Bakerloo does get extended to Lewisham, what will happen to the 53 then? I’d be more inclined to think that the 453 would be the vulnerable route in that instance. |
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Post by ronnie on May 21, 2024 16:07:29 GMT
To be fair the transport towers have been looking for every excuse in the book since 1999 to cut it back to Elephant. They're probably one cut away from doing it. route53 and myself over the years have voiced our disagreement for them to possibly make that move but knowing them I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with an "interesting" excuse to do it. I reckon they’ll reroute the 53 to Waterloo, with the new Superloops set to arrive they’ll need all the space at E&C they can get, my biggest worry is if the Bakerloo does get extended to Lewisham, what will happen to the 53 then? The 53 doesn’t go to Lewisham so should be fine |
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Post by vjaska on May 21, 2024 16:07:50 GMT
To be fair the transport towers have been looking for every excuse in the book since 1999 to cut it back to Elephant. They're probably one cut away from doing it. route53 and myself over the years have voiced our disagreement for them to possibly make that move but knowing them I wouldn't be surprised if they come up with an "interesting" excuse to do it. I reckon they’ll reroute the 53 to Waterloo, with the new Superloops set to arrive they’ll need all the space at E&C they can get, my biggest worry is if the Bakerloo does get extended to Lewisham, what will happen to the 53 then? If they're going to do that, they may as well carry the 53 on from Waterloo to Lambeth Palace otherwise that important hospital link becomes more difficult to get to for some. I think the 453 would probably be the one to worry about given it follows a lot more of the Bakerloo in comparison - the 53 would only follow the Waterloo to New Cross section so I reckon it would survive with the 453 entirely removed without replacement. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 21, 2024 18:50:12 GMT
I reckon they’ll reroute the 53 to Waterloo, with the new Superloops set to arrive they’ll need all the space at E&C they can get, my biggest worry is if the Bakerloo does get extended to Lewisham, what will happen to the 53 then? If they're going to do that, they may as well carry the 53 on from Waterloo to Lambeth Palace otherwise that important hospital link becomes more difficult to get to for some. I think the 453 would probably be the one to worry about given it follows a lot more of the Bakerloo in comparison - the 53 would only follow the Waterloo to New Cross section so I reckon it would survive with the 453 entirely removed without replacement. If the Bakerloop route is introduced & the 453 gets withdrawn, surely it would make logical sense to extend the 12 to Marylebone. The 12 maintains the 453’s links as far as E&C. |
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Post by abellion on May 21, 2024 18:54:04 GMT
If they're going to do that, they may as well carry the 53 on from Waterloo to Lambeth Palace otherwise that important hospital link becomes more difficult to get to for some. I think the 453 would probably be the one to worry about given it follows a lot more of the Bakerloo in comparison - the 53 would only follow the Waterloo to New Cross section so I reckon it would survive with the 453 entirely removed without replacement. If the Bakerloop route is introduced & the 453 gets withdrawn, surely it would make logical sense to extend the 12 to Marylebone. The 12 maintains the 453’s links as far as E&C. It just seems a bit drastic when the 453 is so well used from Oxford Circus to New Cross. The 53/453 duo were #12 and #26 in usage last year, and every single stop on OKR has demand which won't be served properly by the Bakerloop which will probably be pulling in high demand from Lewisham and New Cross already, the 53/172 could get overwhelmed, and it breaks the busy West End/Trafalgar Square direct link for OKR and New Cross which neither the 53 or 172 pull off directly. |
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Post by bk10mfe on May 21, 2024 19:09:49 GMT
If the Bakerloop route is introduced & the 453 gets withdrawn, surely it would make logical sense to extend the 12 to Marylebone. The 12 maintains the 453’s links as far as E&C. It just seems a bit drastic when the 453 is so well used from Oxford Circus to New Cross. The 53/453 duo were #12 and #26 in usage last year, and every single stop on OKR has demand which won't be served properly by the Bakerloop which will probably be pulling in high demand from Lewisham and New Cross already, the 53/172 could get overwhelmed, and it breaks the busy West End/Trafalgar Square direct link for OKR and New Cross which neither the 53 or 172 pull off directly. Could the 172 go instead, with the 453 diverted to Brockley Rise & the 171 extended back to Aldwych? Therefore the 453’s links remain intact & some stand space at E&C is cleared out. The 53 would probably need to divert to Waterloo under this scenario so that links from OKR to Waterloo are retained. |
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Post by ronnie on May 21, 2024 20:19:00 GMT
It just seems a bit drastic when the 453 is so well used from Oxford Circus to New Cross. The 53/453 duo were #12 and #26 in usage last year, and every single stop on OKR has demand which won't be served properly by the Bakerloop which will probably be pulling in high demand from Lewisham and New Cross already, the 53/172 could get overwhelmed, and it breaks the busy West End/Trafalgar Square direct link for OKR and New Cross which neither the 53 or 172 pull off directly. Could the 172 go instead, with the 453 diverted to Brockley Rise & the 171 extended back to Aldwych? Therefore the 453’s links remain intact & some stand space at E&C is cleared out. The 53 would probably need to divert to Waterloo under this scenario so that links from OKR to Waterloo are retained. The 453 might get too long if extended to Brockley rise. Also on a side note the 453 is for some reason much slower than the 53 on the common section. Every time I have used the 53, it has left the 453 far behind (probably padded GAL timetables!). Yesterday for example at ~11pm I took the 453 from Oxford Circus to lower marsh and got the 53 (4 min wait); the 53 had managed to overtake the 453 before reaching st George’s circus and then just ran away! |
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